If I had to tell you how much fun I've had taking drugs..

[Pissed_and_messed]

yeah, you can't even do intrinsically healthy hobbies without occasional incident.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Cdin --- this is a harm reduction website but you are smart and know that.

I do not know if that premise holds water. Alernatively I present this premise;

There are going to be issues involved in harm reduction/removal no matter what speed it is done at. There will be less/less life ruining issues with harm reduction/removal than we currently have now with prohibition.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The elderly are THE source for wisdom. (I don't feel wisdom can be attained through reading only attained through experience.) Knowledge, theory, academics; Books are great. But if you want real wisdom you need someone who experienced. Idk just how I feel, sure it doesn't line up with webster.

Well you pick some things up from written texts, reading is also experience right. Kids these days read a lot less, some dont even know what they miss. As reading is imo academicly seen compared to movie's and videogames a few steps up. But gets better when the book gets discussed. So interaction adds a lot.

But the elderly, when talkative and willing to share their live experience. Has thought me indeed more about the real world any book or teacher had. This was working as healthcaretaker grade B for a home care organisation. In a working class quarter, in the district I was born in my hometown. so i got to know my city through my clients how it was before me. How the people were at that time, but they also enriched me with their own life lessons. Tricks and tips on pratical stuff like reckognizing the good from the evil. Which were things my young brain was not actually thinking of, they made me comprehend and absorb wisdom. And paved part of my roots.

Actually most rewarding job from the lot done. Very taxing, low salary. But a with a huge bonus free live lessons, through the most natural teaching from human to human. Loved to hear them share them, mostly listening. Weird is that was 28 years ago and still clear memory's unlike school or books.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

harm reduction is not harm removal. anything done chronically over decades, even in the safest way possible WILL cause issues.

Thats the excact reason drugs imo are not the only pitfall in life. Employer's, arbo-unit's, dr's and mental healthcare can have just as or a bigger impact on your life. And those around.

Yet they do not use harm reduction, which allready is worrysome. As it implies they seem convinced the never do something wrong. A blind eye!

And being harmed by institutions can have an enormess impact, maybe as severe as an addiction or worse. The first I am sure of, an addiction seems to be something that can happen. But you have the choice to stop it. So though tramatizing at least you have a chance to kick yourself in the ass. Do a u-turn and take responseability for what you did. And clean up any shit you made during, make peace with that past and move on. .

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Well you pick some things up from written texts, reading is also experience right.

You got me flat to rights. No way I can deny reading is an experience. A vital one for me.

For some reason I felt like trying to split hairs between knowledge and wisdom...tough to articulate (for me at least) but you got the jist of what I was saying.

Drugs are ABSOLUTELY not the only downfall in life. When drug users go down I feel the chemical is (most times) not the reason they ran into the 'drug charge'. The downfall is most often loose lips; factually by alot. That is the downfall, no prohibition no need to keep everything so hidden. Some will darwin out. Yes absolutely. Pigs go to the slaughter? That should actually end up making us smarter....now I am heading down a real slippery slope though so I'll stop.

The key is you need to look at drug use as a health problem not a crime; such as amsterdam. I (and others) feel that is the key difference we are seeing between Amsterdam and what is seen in Portland US.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

but you got the jist of what I was saying.

Sure did and completely agree on what you wrote, mouth to ear knowledge from someone that has lived and is nearing there last years.
Beats any book or things taught at school. though my teachers were sort of alto's, and not only taught the state program, but also taught important facts, relevant things about reality, which was not diploma stuff. But showed there are more then one view, then that what the gouvernement indoctrinates you with. These things stuck, and all that other stuff (mostly ment for grorification of the nation). Then growing older and it becomes obvious its just bended facts, to cover the bad things we did, a half truth created and teached, so kids learn to be proud of their country. So you learn them to lie/ and to the concerning the real truth it provide them with eye scales.

We were the good guy's, nothing bout slavery (which we quitte about the same time as in the US in the South so round 1860/ 30 years after the british and 60 after US the North), enriching by stealing from other countrys or anything bad actually. Was not taught but told between the lines. Piet Hein famous for destroying the Spanish siverfleet, was actually a pirat, not a really a good men deserving a statue.