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If God Doesn't exist

Pythagoras said:
I don't think God needs 'proof' from science to manifest existence. Science is not the only tool of empirical enquiry. Personally I am quite at ease with a God that seeks no revelation through science.

What an odd world we would live in if science, and science alone dictated what I believed in.%)
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Science is a tool used for finding a solution to your problem. God seems to be a way to be okay with giving up thinking about your problem. The world certainly would be a better place once people stop giving a shit about disproving a negative, and focus on things that actually matter.

I think the general tone of the thread up till now has been how meaningless the term God actually is. Is it possible that a question about a meaningless term is a meaningless question? Why would our fore fathers have forced such a meaningless question upon our world?

What are we left with here?
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
God seems to be a way to be okay with giving up thinking about your problem.
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Yeah that's basically how I feel, no offense to people who believe in God.
I'm assuming the OP means to ask how we'd feel if we were to learn that there was absolutely nothing outside of the present world? There can be some kind of 'presence' other than ours without this having to be a God or without it having to be affiliated to religion in any way...IMHO religion is a completely idiotic human construct created as a way of establishing a semblance of unity between people (how ironic) and spirituality doesn't actually have to have any kind of relation to it.
For instance, I don't consider myself part of any religion, I don't believe in any kind of god, but I maintain a slight and healthy skepticism regarding the psychedelic world :)
I think it would be great if we were to learn without the shadow of a doubt that there's nothing else. It would finally force us to actually enjoy the present moment and not always think about what may or may not happen in a maybe present future.
 
I feel sorry for people that don't believe in god. Reading some of these comments I feel like hitting my head against the wall, laughing, and shaking my head. Hard to believe people don't believe in god, almost laughable if it wasn't so sad.
 
bagochina said:
I feel sorry for people that don't believe in god. Reading some of these comments I feel like hitting my head against the wall, laughing, and shaking my head. Hard to believe people don't believe in god, almost laughable if it wasn't so sad.
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I understand why believers get upset by rude, outspoken atheists who go around saying those who believe in God are stupid, but what's with the dickish, condescending disdain for all nonbelievers?
 
No I'm not trolling page, I'm stating my belief concerning people that don't believe in god. It truly baffles my mind.
 
bagochina said:
No I'm not trolling page, I'm stating my belief concerning people that don't believe in god. It truly baffles my mind.
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I do not believe in God, in fact, I can't even fathom what believing in God would be like.. but I do understand and respect the fact that other people do believe in God. What exactly is laughable/sad about that? Do you feel bad for me because you think I am going to hell? Because my life must be so awful without God in it? Because God is SOOO obviously real and I'm too stupid to see it? What?
 
I see God as synonymous with the Dao, oneness, and the entire universe basically. It is the slight, imperceptible presence that connects everything together seamlessly as though it were all one vast ocean. It is so vast that it is unknowable, yet awareness of it is entirely possible. It is pure flow and endless, silent being.

If God doesn't exist then nothing truly exists, and I'm okay with that. God is just a word, and words are language that program the meat. Without semantics we can only be the Dao.
 
Pagey said:
^Interesting post Foreigner, would you mind elaborating on what the Dao is?
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Basically its a way for people (who are way too bright to be religious in the traditional sense) to still feel spiritual.
 
Foreigner said:
Dao = Tao

I just spell it and pronounce it correctly. Everyone in China says "Dao".
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The proper pronunciation is Dao De Jing. The proper spelling, however, has long be debated...

"In English, the words Daoism and Taoism (/ˈtaʊ.ɪzəm/ or /ˈdaʊ.ɪzəm/) are the subject of an ongoing controversy over the preferred romanization for naming this native Chinese philosophy and Chinese religion. The root Chinese word 道 "way, path" is romanized tao in the older Wade–Giles system and dào in the modern Pinyin system. The sometimes heated arguments over Taoism vs. Daoism involve sinology, phonemes, loanwords, and politics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoism–Taoism_romanization_issue
 
malevolent said:
Basically [The Dao provides] a way for people (who are way too bright to be religious in the traditional sense) to still feel spiritual.
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Okay. But what is spirituality in this sense?

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ebola? said:
Okay. But what is spirituality in this sense?

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That's a good question, I greatly enjoy the Tao Te Ching, but I've always found it more of a philosophical work that takes on a feeling of spirituality due to semantics. It's hard to put a finger on, but the spirituality essentially comes form the fact that it takes numerous truisms and philosophical musings and attributes them to one all encompasing force/thing called the Tao.
 
I like what you say, Foreigner. I feel the same much of the time. I still however feel its possible that "God" might happen to be in a more, conventional sense, some of the time. Like those avatars that we write and read about later. But I also think of those, sometimes as .. perhaps simply resonators. They ride a wave, at the peak- they are with it, and it would seem that they control it because they are so graceful, and with it. I'm not really sure. I imagine that the separation between wave and rider might be an illusion, too, and that with total realization, one might seem to be in "control". They are the wave- And the ocean, and sky.

Some of my most profound times lately, of "God"-realization, have come in times when I am rejecting that things exist. I can't quite put my finger on it, to say, but it seems God shows up there.

I often find that people who don't "believe in God" have pretty rigid, set beliefs about "God", to begin with.
 
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EliCash said:
That's a good question, I greatly enjoy the Tao Te Ching, but I've always found it more of a philosophical work that takes on a feeling of spirituality due to semantics. It's hard to put a finger on, but the spirituality essentially comes form the fact that it takes numerous truisms and philosophical musings and attributes them to one all encompasing force/thing called the Tao.
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That sounds about right.
 
bagochina said:
I feel sorry for people that don't believe in god. Reading some of these comments I feel like hitting my head against the wall, laughing, and shaking my head. Hard to believe people don't believe in god, almost laughable if it wasn't so sad.
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Why?

What God are you talking about it? Yahweh? Jesus? Allah? Zeus? Your own - personal - Jesus?
 
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