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if drugs were legal, would drug use increase or decrease?

I think there would be a slight, certainly noticeable but far from tremendous, increase in drug use -- but it would be temporary.

If people want to do drugs, they are going to drugs regardless of their legality.

However, I believe that even if it could be proven that drug use would MASSIVELY increase, all drugs should STILL be legalized. It should be up to each individual to choose for himself whether he wants to use a drug and how he uses it.

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Bored2Hel said:
I like drugs but I don't want them made legal, I could look at it in the way that I could walk into a shop pick up a bag of good quality pills at a reasonable price but if it's that easy for me to get them then I'm going to end up binging for longer than I do now. I don't find it particularly easy to get drugs at the best of time (no regular suppliers) and I always want more when my stash runs out. The way it is now I don't get any more and at the time it sucks but I'm glad eventually because it would just fuck me up too much in the long run.
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That is very selfish and unfair to want drugs to stay illegal just because you can't control your use. If you ever end up in jail for drugs or lose your job for failing a drug test you might change your mind.

So many lives are ruined because of the drug war. People spend large chunks of their life locked in a fucking cage just for choosing to put certain substances in their bodies. Children lose their parents and end up abused in foster homes.

Many people lose their jobs because they fail a drug test, sometimes from false positives. My oldest brother nearly lost his job because of a false positive. He was suspended for 2 weeks while they worked it out.

Many people die from using drugs of unknown purity and sometimes one drug being sold as another. Many die from violence from drug dealers and producers.

Legalizing drugs would eliminate many of the problems.


Another thing is if all these drugs that are harder to find at the moment became widely available then I'd end up trying lots of new drugs that I really don't need to be trying.
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If you feel that you don't need to try a new drug then don't. I want to try new drugs, as do many people and we should be allowed to.

When things are legal it gives you the idea that it's "ok" to do them, imagine if I could walk into a store and there were pills, coke, LSD and meth available.
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In my opinion, it is already ok to use them. If you believe now that it is not ok to use them then I see no reason why that would change if they were legalized.

I might think well it's ok to mix drinks so it must be fine with drugs and after all they are all legal and legal means they are fine.
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Only an idiot would think that it is ok to combine different drugs because you can safely mix different drinks.

Mixing different alcoholic drinks is fine. There is no risk of drug interaction because the drinks are all the same drug - ethanol. It is completely illogical to think mixing different drugs will be safe just because you can mix alcoholic beverages.

Something else that makes no sense is that as long as drugs are illegal you know not to recklessly mix different drugs but if legalized that knowledge would somehow just vanish. Either you are not serious about what you are saying or you are unable to think rationally.

You say that if drugs are legal you will no longer see anything wrong with using excessive amounts of many different drugs. Alcohol is legal so I guess you think it is ok to drink excessively.

I'd end up doing far more drugs in one night and in the long term than usual which there's really no need for!
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Again, if their is no need for it then don't do it. Drug legalization will not force you to consume massive amounts of everything you can get.
 
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You say that if drugs are legal you will no longer see anything wrong with using excessive amounts of many different drugs. Alcohol is legal so I guess you think it is ok to drink excessively."

many people ive met seem to think its ok to drink excessively.
 
Do you really believe that people are responsible enough for total freedom of choice?

Everytime someone is hurt through their own action it costs taxpayers money, in hospitals, policing etc. It may be your body but whos going to look after you when you've fucked it up? It is the duty of government to apply laws that provide the best possible conditions for people to survive in profitably.

To those claiming the LD50 is not an effective measure: I have seen alcoholics who do nothing but drink until they pass out everyday for 20+ years until they present with serious physical health problems.

I'd like to see anyone try the same with the other drugs (except possibly marijuana). Try taking MDMA, cocaine, heroin until you pass out everyday, think you'll make it that long?

The LD50 is the scientific standard for toxicology.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see all my favorite chemicals behind the counter at the 711, but it's just not realistic.
 
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Do you really believe that people are responsible enough for total freedom of choice?
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The government should not be protecting people from themselves.

Do you think that the government should stop people from eating junk food because it causes obesity? Obesity is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year and the cost of healthcare and disability to the tax payer is huge!

If you think the government should allow people to make the irresponsible choice to eat loads of junk food even though it is harmful then it would make sense to allow them to choose what drugs to use.


Everytime someone is hurt through their own action it costs taxpayers money, in hospitals, policing etc. It may be your body but whos going to look after you when you've fucked it up? It is the duty of government to apply laws that provide the best possible conditions for people to survive in profitably.
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The money the government gets from drug taxes would be more than enough to pay for drug related medical expenses. Even with drugs illegal people end up in the hospital from overdose or adverse reactions. With legal drugs the number of overdoses would drop because people would know the purity of their drugs.


To those claiming the LD50 is not an effective measure: I have seen alcoholics who do nothing but drink until they pass out everyday for 20+ years until they present with serious physical health problems.
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Some people have problems long before that. Many alcoholics die far sooner than 20 years after they start.


I'd like to see anyone try the same with the other drugs (except possibly marijuana). Try taking MDMA, cocaine, heroin until you pass out everyday, think you'll make it that long?
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MDMA and Cocaine are stimulants, you can't use them to pass out. If you tried to you would end up dead but I have never heard of anyone trying to pass out from either of those. It would be dangerous to try to pass out on heroin but I don't think heroin users try to pass out either.

I doubt if anybody would use MDMA daily for long. If they did it would probably cause serious problems.If the heroin is pure then I think someone could use it daily for 20+ years without serious damage.


As far as deaths go, MDMA is quite safe. There are only a small number of ecstasy deaths each year and most are probably from other drugs being passed off as MDMA.



The LD50 is the scientific standard for toxicology.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see all my favorite chemicals behind the counter at the 711, but it's just not realistic.
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When it comes to medications or recreational drugs the therapeutic index is a better indication of safety than the LD50 because it tells you how many times the effective dose you would need to reach the LD50.

If a drug had an LD50 of 10 grams and you need 1 gram for an effective dose it would be more dangerous than one with an LD50 of 1 gram and an effective dose of 5mg.
 
Cool stuff people love the debate.

Back to the original question...

My usage would increase,
"Hi Doc I'm just not feeling the love anymore, got anything for that?"
"As it happens there's something just come on the market for that very thing..."
 
MaDMAn_Project said:
Cool stuff people love the debate.

Back to the original question...

My usage would increase,
"Hi Doc I'm just not feeling the love anymore, got anything for that?"
"As it happens there's something just come on the market for that very thing..."
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it's already like this, you just don't go through the doctor. hunt down any E dealer and you'll get your love back
 
I don't think I answered the question about whether my use would increase or not in my other posts so i'll do it now.

I doubt if my use would increase very much, if at all. I already use drugs almost every day, mostly poppies. My frequent use has not caused any problems for me yet. It has been mostly positive so far.

I would try some new things that I have trouble getting now, like LSD, Ketamine, and MDMA. I might also try some other opiates instead of only using poppies.
 
But if you say that everyone has the right to choose to use drugs- cannot you also say that they are completely responsible for the actions they take on drugs?
 
If drugs were legalized, my drug use would decrease. For me, when something is relatively hard to get, I tend to want it more than I would if it were readily avaible. A large part the fun of drugs for me is the adventure of finding t hem. If they were legal, the fun and adventure would be gone. Just like smoking cigs. Boring.
 
I would probably have a spike in taking more drugs for a short while but overall it would be less binge usage. I only ever got super drunk on alcohol when it was not available.
 
i think it would be safer in the long run to make drugs legal because people wouldn't die from taking the wrong thing. we should have free will and be able to do what we want as long as we are not harming other people. if people want to do drugs then they should be able to in their own home and not bother other people. However, if they are bothering other ppl, stealing, etc then they should be put in jail.
 
Can anyone use micro-economic principles to deduce the effect of legalisation of the drug market?

Anyone have any decent links?
 
my use would increase obviously. cheaper drugs, no risk of prison, easy access. id have no reason not to use drugs more often.
 
It would increase greatly.

And that would be a wonderful thing, because people need an alternative to alcohol and tobacco and soda.
 
fairnymph said:
I think there would be a slight, certainly noticeable but far from tremendous, increase in drug use -- but it would be temporary.

If people want to do drugs, they are going to drugs regardless of their legality.

However, I believe that even if it could be proven that drug use would MASSIVELY increase, all drugs should STILL be legalized. It should be up to each individual to choose for himself whether he wants to use a drug and how he uses it.
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Exactly.

However, most people are terrified of free access to drugs like meth and heroin. I believe Switzerland implemented a policy where heroin users could get free smack along with addiction couseling. This kept dealers off the streets because there was no market incentive to deal in drugs that were being given away (and are guaranteed pure). If folks weren't reterded in the U.S., we could implement similar programs for meth and heroin.
 
I think that it would increase at first but once public gets used to it, it would stabilize. I am looking forward to those days.
 
PIC said:
I think that it would increase at first but once public gets used to it, it would stabilize. I am looking forward to those days.
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yes, society adapts. SOMEHOW it adapted to alcohol, if it can do that, i'm sure it can adapt to the popular legal drugs...
lurkerguy said:
And that would be a wonderful thing, because people need an alternative to alcohol and tobacco and soda.
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i'd rather have people philosophizing on psychedelics, getting projects done on speed, loving people on ecstasy,

than PEEING ON MY BATHROOM PAINTINGS drunk
 
Exactly.

I have witnessed people piss on the carpet while drunk, and then deny it.

Never saw them piss on paintings, but close enough.
 
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