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Idiots Who Are Pro-drug and Think Drugs Are Bad for You

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^ I never said mdma can't be bad for you, just it isn't one that's going to harm you if you approach it right. I've ony had negative affects in the past from it thanks to my own stupidity.

I'm saying those drugs I mentioned can fuck you up a lot worse than the drugs I do, and are far more addictive, which is why i choose to stay away from them. But thanks for summing up my post for me with your ignorance.
 
It all depends on how you use the drugs, how much you ingest, and how long of a period you do them for. Certain drugs do certain damage. Most drugs do some form of damage after a period of time using them. Whether its to the brain or to different organs. Drugs do damage. And thats not even mentioning the addiction aspect of it all. IMO I think addiction could probably do the worst damage. It totally affects your routine of living. The trust people have for you goes down the drain. You lose good friends, and gain bad ones. All in all, if you are going to do drugs, atleast know what your putting into your body. Because no matter what you may think, drugs DO damage. It may not be shown right away, but its there. Now im not saying I don't do them, because I definitely do, but I used to be very inexperienced with them and reading some of the posts on this thread reminds me of how I was when I first started smoking pot. Yeah at first it doesnt seem like its causing any harm, but ask someone that has smoked marijuana for several years what they did YESTERDAY, they will probably take a good few minutes thinking about the question let alone the answer to it. And thats just yesterday, imagine what would happen if you asked them what they did a week ago. Its rather ridiculous. I used to smoke a whooole lot of it. I recently just quit because im tryin to get my head straightened up for school in January and it was affecting a lot in my life. AND im more of an opiate kinda guy myself anyway. But whatever. The point of the story is, drugs do damage, even "harmless" ones like marijuana. All im asking is that people KNOW what they put into their body before they do it....thanks
 
^ (rated e) I don't think you did, you assumed that i was being arrogant towards the drugs I don't take just because I don't take them when the reason actually is cause I find that those drugs I stay away from to be less appealing due to the negative side-effects being stronger than the ones I do now.
 
SmC said:
^ I never said mdma can't be bad for you, just it isn't one that's going to harm you if you approach it right. I've ony had negative affects in the past from it thanks to my own stupidity.

I'm saying those drugs I mentioned can fuck you up a lot worse than the drugs I do, and are far more addictive, which is why i choose to stay away from them. But thanks for summing up my post for me with your ignorance.
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Not enough research has been done on mdma to know what the long term effects are. So you cannot say for sure that it is not harming you EVEN IF "if you approach it right." You can be as cautious as you can, but it is still unknown.
 
^^ Exactly.

SmC, re-read your post, i was being a smart ass, but i did pretty much sum up the general idea you were getting across.
 
People have sidetracked this thread by bringing up addiction and things like that. I'm talking about the idea that getting high is the result of direct organic harm.
 
Most illegal drugs are in fact bad for your health ,though some also have health benefits. They should be legal because it should be a persons right to choose what goes into their body and happens to it not because of whether they are good for you or not.

Fast food and cigarettes are also bad for you but they're legal.
 
Tritoch said:
People have sidetracked this thread by bringing up addiction and things like that. I'm talking about the idea that getting high is the result of direct organic harm.
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So people who do meth are doing absolutely no harm to themselves every time they use? They are causing organic harm each time that they use, and this harm gets progressively worse the more they use.

Can you please explain why you think that there aren't any drugs that cause damage?
 
^he never said that there aren't any drugs that cause damage

he's talking about drugs in general, ie, 'most drugs'

because of about half the posts on this page, i need to repost what i said earlier...

qwedsa said:
well what the OP was talking about was toxicity, ie, damaged organs or brain cells

most popular illegal drugs simply don't... eg opiates, pot, benzos, psychedelics
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^ Thank you for that qwedsa, there seems to be alot of anti-drug shit in this thread. It just seems like scare tactics to me. If i felt I was harming my body with psychedelics I wouldn't do them, ive tripped on lsd quite a few times now, and my body is in just as good a working order as it was before!
 
Tritoch said:
People have sidetracked this thread by bringing up addiction and things like that. I'm talking about the idea that getting high is the result of direct organic harm.
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getting high on drugs can and does result in direct organic harm. of course if you only get high once, your body can heal. but if you become a regular user of most drugs, there will be affects on your brain and body.
 
I dont really think bringing up addiction is side-tracking this thread at all. It depends on how you look at it. Addiction can harm your body. At most, it harms your brain and your way of thinking. So saying it doesnt do direct organic harm isnt really true.
 
qwedsa said:
^he never said that there aren't any drugs that cause damage

he's talking about drugs in general, ie, 'most drugs'
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Care to show me where at all he said "most drugs", because as far as I can tell he was making a BROAD generalization. There isn't a single sentence that indicates that he thinks there is a single drug that is bad for you.

He NEVER said "most drugs". Maybe you should re-read his post.
 
SmC said:
^ Thank you for that qwedsa, there seems to be alot of anti-drug shit in this thread. It just seems like scare tactics to me. If i felt I was harming my body with psychedelics I wouldn't do them, ive tripped on lsd quite a few times now, and my body is in just as good a working order as it was before!
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no ones saying that if you take LSD that your guaranteed to freak out. all im saying is that theres a risk and some harm to taking drugs. you may not feel it right away, but there is some kick back.

if sense sounds like scare tactics to you, thats just arrogance on your part.
 
Mr. Pastorius said:
no ones saying that if you take LSD that your guaranteed to freak out. all im saying is that theres a risk and some harm to taking drugs. you may not feel it right away, but there is some kick back.

if sense sounds like scare tactics to you, thats just arrogance on your part.
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That doesn't sound like scare tactics to me, but saying all drugs will harm you no matter what you do does, and that's basically what people have been saying if you read some of these posts.
 
Originally Posted by Pizzy
It all depends on how you use the drugs, how much you ingest, and how long of a period you do them for. Certain drugs do certain damage. Most drugs do some form of damage after a period of time using them. Whether its to the brain or to different organs.
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Geeeeez, the point of the matter is, DRUGS DO HARM. Get over it.
 
^he was generalizing about drugs, i noticed it too. but his idea was that most drugs dont have the toxicity, he said so in a later post
pizzy said:
I dont really think bringing up addiction is side-tracking this thread at all. It depends on how you look at it. Addiction can harm your body. At most, it harms your brain and your way of thinking. So saying it doesnt do direct organic harm isnt really true.
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ok... the subject of this thread IS: people who believe they are damaging their physical health and continuing to use anyway because they don't care

the subject is NOT: whether drugs cause harm or whether addiction is harmful, it's about stupid people who believe most illegal drugs are very toxic
the seeker said:
getting high on drugs can and does result in direct organic harm. of course if you only get high once, your body can heal. but if you become a regular user of most drugs, there will be affects on your brain and body.
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qwedsa said:
well what the OP was talking about was toxicity, ie, damaged organs or brain cells

most popular illegal drugs simply don't... eg opiates, pot, benzos, psychedelics
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pizzy said:
Geeeeez, the point of the matter is, DRUGS DO HARM. Get over it.
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so these molecules that i take during finals week that increase blood flow to the brain, act as neuroprotectants, have no toxicity or neurotoxicity issues, increase memory, attention, alertness, and creativity on rigorous psychological tests, are harmful just because they're drugs?

you're the one who's generalizing, to an absurd extent. just because a molecule happens to fit into a receptor does not mean it's toxic

in fact, many molecules that do fit in the receptors do so because they are so closely related to endogenous molecules (which obviously generally are nontoxic)

cite me a paper demonstrating neurotoxicity of heroin or other opiates (besides at heavy frequent long term doses, but thats not what the OP was talking about), pot, LSD, mushrooms, or valium/benzos, and ill take back everything ive said
 
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