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If I use psychedelics and I don't end up in a psych ward, what damage was done? Can you explain this to me please?
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Can you possibly explain the face paralysis I got from mushrooms to me?
 
Coolio said:
Because nobody is willing to offer a detailed explanation of how they are. They're saying "it's obvious!". I'm saying it's not obvious. Back to Sardonic's suggestion I read up on logic for beginner's... No proof is necessary that something does not exist or is not true. Only things that you claim to exist/be true need a proof. Nothing exists unless provable in logic, and you do not need to offer a proof of the non-existence of something. So until someone offers up a proof detailing exactly how/why psychedelic drugs are damaging (not how they are DANGEROUS, because danger is not damage!), those of us arguing that not all drugs are necessarily harmful are right.
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Well we are delving into the exclusively subjective realms of solipsism here Which isn't necessarily a bad thing:)

Personally I don't regret taking any drugs- I believe they have all benefited me in my perspective on life in the long term. Of course I know I have done myself at least some damage. I have a very selective memory, but I justify that as the time periods I can no longer recall probably weren't that important. I had lost all perspective on life at some parts of my life, drug use having a negative impact on my social and professional life, but thankfully I was able to snap out of it, and turn the situation to my advantage- now I know throuhg experience what my own weaknesses are- when I can no longer trust my own sense of self control. Basically I've learnt to distance myself from certain people- people who let the drug control their lives. I don't blame the drug, I blame the lack of self control and differing (read: warped) perspective of the individual.

Just because you personally have had no negative impacts on your life, health or mental state, it doesn't mean that drugs are not harmful. You obviously can handle it, but others can't. An dit would be irresponsible to assume everyone is like you, that is, assume everyone can handle their drugs as well as you. There is just too much eviednce that there is some damage occuring. See, Syd Barrett for a case study.

I just had to bite on that whole 'post natal depression is all in your head' thing. It was just so Tom Cruise!!
 
Chubba, what does a hospital have to do with damage? The mushrooms didn't hook you up to IV's, the doctors did.
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I'm glad they did, or else I would of died from dehydration and lack of nutrition.

If you don't think paralysis of the face, lips, jaw and oral cavity that prevents eating or drinking is serious... what the hell is.
 
Chubba, no, could your doctors explain it? I'd love to hear their explanation, because I couldn't even begin to guess...

P.S. I deleted that post you just quoted, because you added the face paralysis post while I was writing it, and you answered me in that post.
 
Not at all, they had no idea. It was full body paralysis for 24 hours, the face/oral cavity for around 4 days (full paralysis), and loss of sensation/minor paralysis for about 2 weeks.
 
You probably took some poisonous mushrooms...and by that I DON'T mean psilocybin mushrooms :)
 
You probably took some poisonous mushrooms...and by that I DON'T mean psilocybin mushrooms
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Oh yeah... ignore the fact that I've tripped from the exact batch about 15 times, also multiple friends had too.

Also the fact that I was tripping hard when I became paralyzed.

Also I would like to add a friend also had the face paralysis on a seperate occasion, just not as severe...

Keep in mind these were all REALLY high doses (15g+)
 
I think any further discussion ought to center around the damage drugs cause when you DON'T go to the hospital or become psychotic. Ie. if none of the potential side effects happen, only the consistent effects/side effects of that drug that everyone gets. Nobody has offered up any concrete examples/explanations of how psychedelics cause damage in the 99% of trips that are completely positive to the user.
 
So we just ignore it then?

It's not that uncommon, I know personally around 10 or so people that have experienced it. I have only seen one person with it.

Considering I only know about 30 people that trip, doesn't seem like good news.

Only happens in extremely high doses though, which is what was our downfall. I got told for years "you can't get physically hurt from pyschs, not matter how much you do, it's all in your head".

Yet without medical intervention I would of died.

Anyway, enough of this :) Just thought I would bring it up when you mentioned the damage part. I think death constitutes as damage :D
 
I think any further discussion ought to center around the damage drugs cause when you DON'T go to the hospital or become psychotic. Ie. if none of the potential side effects happen, only the consistent effects/side effects of that drug that everyone gets. Nobody has offered up any concrete examples/explanations of how psychedelics cause damage in the 99% of trips that are completely positive to the user.
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Well in medicine, we're taught to expect the unexpected. In 2 weeks of shadowing an anaesthesiologist... sometimes following simple administration of drugs (something as simple as valium, morphine ect.), the patient would code... and if they were not in hospital with a skilled professional to intubate them, they would have died.

Perhaps it won't happen in 99.9% of the cases, but what about the 0.1%, are you ready for when they lose their airway? When their heart stops?

That's what I've been trying to address, but somehow people think drugs are safe... they are not.
 
This thread is not about safety. It's about perceived damage occurring during any use of the drug, even when nothing but positive effects are experienced.
 
Meh whatever... bluelight is really going to shit with it's harm reduction.

I'm out.
 
WOW, I can't believe the bull shit that's I've just been reading...

Anyone who thinks that drugs aren't harmful in anyway, well.... fuck... can I have a 50 bag of whatever you're on... because drugs are harmful, that's why there is harm reduction websites, groups and information.

To entertain the thought that only negative physical side effects are considered harm is also ludicrous. Things like depression, withdrawal, physcosis and anxiety are all caused by imbalances in your brain chemicals, which I gues, stems back to physical harm, because if you didn't display those things before you used drugs and do display them after you've used then surely the common denominator is drug use, that's a pretty simple concept to grasp.

Calling people ingnorant or less intelligent because they don't take drugs is nothing short of pathetic. Everyone has a choice in life. The factors influencing how and why they make those choices is for no-one to judge.

Palming things like depression off as a choice is bullshit, thats like saying to someone with autism, it's your fault you're autistic, you chose to be that way.

I've been a regular user of meth and mdma for the last 8 years, and whilst I haven't noticed any life threatening harm, my memory is shithouse, my speech is often rapid and mumbling. I can honestly think about something and completely forget what it was 3 seconds later. I've also started using oxy regularly too, and even after only say 6 months of regular use, I've already experiencing withdrawals like severe headaches and sweats and stomach problems, all things I never suffered from prior to using oxy.

SardonicNihilist said:
Lesson learnt- drugs are harmless, you are invincible!
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obviously that's what Tritoch thinks and if he's made his point and everyone here now believes him, I see no point keeping this thread open

PM me if you think there's a good reason and I'll confer with the other mods, but for now this BS is done
 
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