TDS Ideation & Crisis Support

Sorry, telling people straight up that I was going to do it because I was in a hole and didn’t think I could climb out. I was glad at first that I failed because my gf found me still alive, instead of my dead body. Which would have fucked her up beyond belief. To be honest I hated all of the offers to talk from well-meaning friends and family. Who wants to try to explain to people that they are not enough, nor is their love, and that life is relentlessly painful for you.

Later I was glad that I survived when my meds were improved and I found a groove working out. I changed jobs, less stress, no travel. It wasn’t a 180 but over about 2 years, since the last attempt, I have bent my life to the shape I need. Tbh it was a total fuck on, but now I earn slightly less, I am fit and healthy and I am almost free of my addictions.

You’re totally right about one thing, people can’t help but give you advice rather than just listen. I was ruthless with my social circle to get this far. Basically down to a couple of friends at this point, just the ones I’d take a bullet for and would do the same.

It is possible to climb out of the hole. If I can do it, anyone can, I’m a total fanny!
 
Sorry, telling people straight up that I was going to do it because I was in a hole and didn’t think I could climb out. I was glad at first that I failed because my gf found me still alive, instead of my dead body. Which would have fucked her up beyond belief. To be honest I hated all of the offers to talk from well-meaning friends and family. Who wants to try to explain to people that they are not enough, nor is their love, and that life is relentlessly painful for you.

Later I was glad that I survived when my meds were improved and I found a groove working out. I changed jobs, less stress, no travel. It wasn’t a 180 but over about 2 years, since the last attempt, I have bent my life to the shape I need. Tbh it was a total fuck on, but now I earn slightly less, I am fit and healthy and I am almost free of my addictions.

You’re totally right about one thing, people can’t help but give you advice rather than just listen. I was ruthless with my social circle to get this far. Basically down to a couple of friends at this point, just the ones I’d take a bullet for and would do the same.

It is possible to climb out of the hole. If I can do it, anyone can, I’m a total fanny!
Thanks. That's a wonderful and positive and encouraging and insightful post. :) And certainly more deserving of a better response such as this weak and inane two-liner response of mine. And maybe some further clarification of my previous post to which you so kindly and thoughtully replied.
 
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Sorry, telling people straight up that I was going to do it because I was in a hole and didn’t think I could climb out. I was glad at first that I failed because my gf found me still alive, instead of my dead body. Which would have fucked her up beyond belief. To be honest I hated all of the offers to talk from well-meaning friends and family. Who wants to try to explain to people that they are not enough, nor is their love, and that life is relentlessly painful for you.

Later I was glad that I survived when my meds were improved and I found a groove working out. I changed jobs, less stress, no travel. It wasn’t a 180 but over about 2 years, since the last attempt, I have bent my life to the shape I need. Tbh it was a total fuck on, but now I earn slightly less, I am fit and healthy and I am almost free of my addictions.

You’re totally right about one thing, people can’t help but give you advice rather than just listen. I was ruthless with my social circle to get this far. Basically down to a couple of friends at this point, just the ones I’d take a bullet for and would do the same.

It is possible to climb out of the hole. If I can do it, anyone can, I’m a total fanny!
Thats wonderful! Keep fighting the good fight. You always have us to talk to.
 
Today my PT visited me and we got to talking about things. I’ve lost a lot of weight recently as the result of a new drug, Synthroid I’m taking for recently discovered hypothyroidism (I’m starting to look too gaunt, I think) and I told her that I’d once weighed a ton more. Like a fucking boatload more. She asked me if I’d been through something traumatic that made me eat my way through my feelings, to which I replied without skipping a beat, “Yeah, my Dad’s suicide.”

All of a sudden I was lost, back in those moments of that cool January morning years ago. It was a holiday in the US, and forgive me as I can never keep them straight, but perhaps it was Veterans Day. I’d come over, since I didn’t have work. I seem to remember mentioning I would be over to him when we’d spoken Saturday night.

And some background here: he was a father to me and my brother, but a stepdad to my much older siblings, my brothers were very close to their own dad, a hunter and fisher kind of guy. My sister was never close to her own dad, so despite the fact that she was just 11 years younger than my Dad, who was 10 years younger than my Mom, my sister was quite close with my Dad. My own full brother was close to no one, went to college at 17, then grad school, then went to get his PhD in Particle Physics and Quantum Mechanics. He’s now a multi-millionaire working with Intel. He had nothing to do with my Dad once he left home, never accepting a dime from him.

None of my brothers accepted the fact that my Dad was gay, which is something my Mom knew all along. She met him, he was her Psych professor, a Mensa member and over many cups of coffee he admitted to always wanting to be a father. I think it was unwise for a mom with 3 kids to start over again with a gay man, but as it was explained to me, she had hopes of having brilliant children with him. Thus my brother and I were born, while my half siblings were all teenagers.

Growing up, I idolized him, even when he came out, and I had many gay uncles, many of them also Psychiatrists, and he’d take me to spend time with them. The discussions were always so lively! After work, my Dad was often fond of telling me about patients he’d seen that day, then he’d ask me what my diagnosis would be and how they should be treated and/or medicated. He’d explain why I was wrong, when I was, but many times he’d humor me and say he might have to re-think his patient’s treatment plan.

My Mom and I were not close, ever, though once I became a mom she moved back to CA, bought an expensive house near the beach and she took care of my daughter some days after school.

That January morning, I unlocked the door, called out to him, but got no immediate response. I figured he was downstairs in his theatre, as he was forever making adjustments to the lighting or his snack room. However, he wasn’t there, and in the next room I only found his current lover, a handsome 40-something Middle Eastern Actor that’d been in several movies, still sleeping in his over-the-top Louis XIV-style bed + satin sheets.

I crept back upstairs to the middle floor, where the absence of the smell of coffee was palatable, so I put some one. I had never mastered the espresso machine he had so I had to settle for what I knew how to make. I figured, well, it’s unusual as hell, but he could be still sleeping.

I checked the garage. Since retiring, my Dad had several hobbies, one of which was collecting vacuum cleaners and fixing them up, even if they were in working order. He made them into turbo-Hoovers. He was also very tech savvy and always had something new that he was working on. He was not in his garage. Both his car and motorcycle were in the garage, so I knew he was home.

I went back inside, grabbed a cup of coffee, and took it out on the deck. It was a beautiful, though somewhat chilly day. Ordinarily the site of the sea and birds off his deck was a warm and inviting sight, but today was different. I remember feeling that something was off.

After a few minutes, I crept from the living room up the stairs to his 3rd floor master suite. “Dad?” I said passively, but got no answer. I pushed open the door to his bedroom to find him.

He’d been recovering from a broken neck, an event that he said happened as the result of a fall on his stairs after lots of Diazepam, plus a heavy night of drinking. He was still getting supplemental nutrition via a jejunostomy tube.

The sun was streaming in and the sliding glass door was open. Sounds of seagulls were audible. He was laying peacefully in bed. He wore a yachting outfit: a light blue windbreaker, white slacks, docksiders and a sailor’s hat that had slipped off to the side of his head. Pinkish-red punch had dribbled from his lips. He was watching TV, or more specifically porn. I moved his right arm, while crying, “Dad, Why?!!!” and his arm, already stiff with rigor mortis, quickly slapped his side, while his hand gripped the remote. I sat there in that moment, and talked to him, about the book we were working on, about how I’d hoped that he’d be there to see my daughter grow up, about all the things we hadn’t gotten to do that we talked about. As sick as it sounds, I was his daughter, but also like a female, almost “wifely” companion. We traveled together, drugged together, cried together. I was in charge of taking care of him when he got drunk and either barfed or injured himself since age 6 or 7 as my Mom was forever on business trips for APA. Once I could drive, I’d go to his house whenever he’d injured himself, and I grew up believing this was my role in life.

Since his death, I’ve had a difficult time keeping jobs, wanting to see my friends as often and keeping plans, and as @dalpat077 described a bit earlier, being able to see anything beyond a trail, a brown hill, and a bit of green, where others talk about the beautiful meadow and hills and a sunny day. I don’t know if that will ever return. These things are now matter of fact to me, and I no longer see the beauty in such things. I still enjoy an empty beach, and I love the waterfowl my Dad taught me to feed, and later pick up. I love cemeteries still, especially those where he took me picnicking.

So now, he’s with me in a box in my living room. But it’s not what you’re thinking of, I could never bring myself to pick up his ashes, so the cemetery mailed them to me. I have never opened that package from the cemetery. I haven’t been able to. So he’s in a postage box. I also never had a funeral for him. I couldn’t accept his death. So I guess some of those death rituals are undone. I honestly doubt I’ll ever be able to open that postage box. Nothing has destroyed me more in my life. Nothing.

If you get nothing else from my story, I have just 2 words I want you to consider:

Collateral Damage
 
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I will add that shortly after my Dad’s death, I got into a relationship with an alcoholic (like my Dad) who my Dad knew and liked. I’m now out of that relationship and I’m significantly worse off financially because he was not the functioning drug user my father was.

I have learned that try as I might, I cannot replace him. His essence is just a memory now, and his physical existence is relegated to those ashes in the postage box.
 
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Hope it's not out of place or distasteful to ask the below but I've been involved in many discussion of this type (not necessarily here) and I've seen countless posts by people that have made serious and planned attempts and almost without exception the end story is the same i.e. they're glad and happy that they failed and are still around to be telling the tale. And what I'd like to know is if this is just some type of psychological phenomenon or have their lives truly done a 180 for the better or is it because, their perspective on life has changed which makes things SEEM better when actually the underlying reasons and circumstances have not changed one iota or what? Or is that people around just started giving a shit or actually listening (in which case my default reaction is well fuck them i.e. nobody goes from "normal" to actively suicidal without there being signs that something is going off of the rails but nobody gave enough of a fuck, or were too busy or too caught up in their own shit, to ask and I mean REALLY ask and REALLY listen i.e. not some half arsed casual conversation while their minds were miles away and on other things and having to watch the time).

Man... i was NOT grateful after being resucitated (literally) after my few suicide attempts, and im still not. I find it weird when someone who wanted to die so bad is suddenly happy that they failed at it, so maybe it does have something to do with a psychological phenom..? Despite my christian faith, maybe having been left to die would have been more fortunate for me. My life DID get better since then, but that dont mean its any good.
 
Man... i was NOT grateful after being resucitated (literally) after my few suicide attempts, and im still not. I find it weird when someone who wanted to die so bad is suddenly happy that they failed at it
yep man totally boggles my mind. the psychirtrist in hospia=tal was 'disappiunted that i hadnt expressed gratitudefor being saved' ahahaha what a fool. i wanted to die and still do. i shall certainly br dead by summer 2023 if not sooner
 
yep man totally boggles my mind. the psychirtrist in hospia=tal was 'disappiunted that i hadnt expressed gratitudefor being saved' ahahaha what a fool. i wanted to die and still do. i shall certainly br dead by summer 2023 if not sooner
I can understand where you are coming from. I became really depressed at 13 and fell into drugs. At fourteen i began attempting suicide one of which put me in the icu for four days.

Its not worth it man. When i almost died i immedietly regretted it as soon as i did it and most people do who survive. But i was saved from a higher power. I wasnt suppossed to have died.

Please seek help. For me acute facilities, intensive inhome counseling, and therapy didnt help me. But it did help me in a sense because it led up to me going into a residential mental facility and group home. At residential it stopped me from going down the wrong path. The group home made me become mentally healthier.

Please message me. I hope you learn from others mistakes and not your own.

My life for six years was real shitty (starting at 12). I almost died many times. But now i am mentally healthy, i have a place to myself, im clean, im an adult, i have a job, i have friends, im properly medicated, and after years of programs im currently in no program.

The meds really help me. Im not saying you gotta do all the programs and shit i did but take some time to try some things out. Suicide is a permanent thing. There is always a solution other than suicide. Sometimes you just need a change in environment. For me i needed to be away from my home. Please believe me when i say things get better. Again, message me.
 
I can understand where you are coming from. I became really depressed at 13 and fell into drugs. At fourteen i began attempting suicide one of which put me in the icu for four days.

Its not worth it man. When i almost died i immedietly regretted it as soon as i did it and most people do who survive. But i was saved from a higher power. I wasnt suppossed to have died.

Please seek help. For me acute facilities, intensive inhome counseling, and therapy didnt help me. But it did help me in a sense because it led up to me going into a residential mental facility and group home. At residential it stopped me from going down the wrong path. The group home made me become mentally healthier.

Please message me. I hope you learn from others mistakes and not your own.

My life for six years was real shitty (starting at 12). I almost died many times. But now i am mentally healthy, i have a place to myself, im clean, im an adult, i have a job, i have friends, im properly medicated, and after years of programs im currently in no program.

The meds really help me. Im not saying you gotta do all the programs and shit i did but take some time to try some things out. Suicide is a permanent thing. There is always a solution other than suicide. Sometimes you just need a change in environment. For me i needed to be away from my home. Please believe me when i say things get better. Again, message me.
Nice post. Interesting post. As it turns out comes Monday I am being offered the opportunity to go for all of these types of programs but I have to say I am not embracing the opportunities being afforded me. Mainly because nobody seems to have N answer to the question “what is the end game”.No amount of meds. Oor sitting talking through issues are going to change reality. If I go through all of this shit and come out the other end with a huge big smile on my dial and a positive attitude toward life: I still come out with nowhere to fucking go and not a loved one in sight or somebody to go home to or even a fucking job. Am waiting with baited breath to ask these questions and get some input from the panel of experts. I am speaking out of turn here because I have never had cause to go for rehab. For substance abuse. But in my mind that would be far easier to deal with as it has a beginning and a middle and an end. This depression shit is not like that.in other words treatment and success is not quantifiable. With rehab (as I understand it)you could/should be take out of the environment (and maybe placed at a sort of staging area (temporary), then treatment for however long is necessary and then let out clean. And who knows what the cutoff period is/ should be? Say it is six months clean for the sake of argument. That is quantifiable. In other words there is a cutoff point at which time you could be deemed as having being cured and that the treatment was a success and worth the trouble and effort. There is no telling with depression if/when you’re going to slide right back down into the blackness. Something arbitrary could simply trigger. Fine example would be those that are badly affected by SAD. Guess the question is how do you prevent that from happening long term. Or do you simply just never get better and walk a tightrope for the rest of your life? I would love to believe that simply relying on meds. would be the answer but I’m afraid my experiences of late with the usual suspect SSRIS and SNRIs leave much to be desired and have caused more shit for me than good due to debilitating side-effects.

More worrying is that there have been several forks in the road along the way and I have gone against my gut instinct and chosen the no suicide path. And I think I have jammed myself up into a corner because of this. And worse still this not the type of thing that people wish to discuss or get involved with biggest fear is that after all of this shit I can actually picture sitting having this type of discussion in months and years to come and knowing full well that as a result of my inaction (when I was in the right mindset and could have gone through with it and that up until about two weeks ago but of course I’ve now fucked myself in theeye as I been put on Amitryptaline and Tramadol so now I am feeling just peachy but it has only been for two weeks so that counts for nothing really). What I am saying is that togo from “just peachy” to suicidal is no mean feat I don’t think. I know that last part may make no sense at all. One would think that given the opportunity to get better and feel better mentally should/would be/ first prize and to be embraced at all costs. But there are thesethis pesky things called reality and prevailing circumstances. And that’s why I asked the question as to why most all that failed always have the same mantra I.e. happy that they failed and life is/gets better? Could it simply be that after treatment their perception of reality changes? Although I would find that. a stretch to digest. Or maybe proper treatment gives them the strength to take reality as it is and have the gusto to try change it going forward?

Anyways. There is just some random thoughts on the topic (well they ain’t that random as I think of nothing else).

Been meaning to start a thread on all of this shit of mine but have not.it’s pretty deep and personal and I am ashamed and embarrassed of the way my life has turned out and where I have ended up.

But I can tell you one thing for certain: somebody who is actively suicidal should be listened to and asked how they’re doing from time to time. Because in my experience those that know where I am at, or have been, seem to invalidate me and my concerns and feelings and worries for the future. Like as in because of where you are at you are not capable of making rational decisions. And it is still my firm belief that suicide may be the only rational decision that a person may make in their lives. Nobody willingly gets depressed and suicidal that’s for fuck sure. And not everybody that asks for a bit of help and love and compassion and understanding on the topic is looking for attention or trying to make a point or crying for help.I dunno maybe I expect too much from others. And worst thing you can do is feign to actually give a shit. Or come with platitudes. Depressed and suicidal people have NOT lost control of ALL of their faculties or become dumbed down and their feelings and emotions are every bit as valid as the next person’s.

It is rather ironic that for the very first time in my life I understand why people get totally blasted out of their minds on drugs( NOT Cocaine as that blots fuck all out and if anything ensures that you are more lucid and with it and quite possibly capable of overthinking things) so when I say Blasted I mean of the opioid type blasted. Anyway I get it now. Like I said ironic. And which to me, if nothing else is proof positive that there is no point in attempting to cure physical dependence and addiction until the underlying and root cause has been addressed I.e. the reason why an individual went down the use and abuse path in the first place to be addressed.
 
22 years old, and yes i mean die by drug overdose 😅
Honestly reading through this thread has me feeling guilty, because I've spent years with the same mentality. Basically romanticizing the idea of over dosing and dying on heroin. I've been narcanned a few times, not even attempting to KMS just doing a shot to feel numb and waking up in precip from narcan. So many people I know have lost loved ones to Heroin over doses, a girl I love so much at 10 years old walked in on her dead dad from OD. My mom's best friend has lost 2 sons from overdoses(who I grew up together with). Honestly, in my experience, the people that overdose and die didn't want to die. When you want to die you'll always manage to live. (Not in anyway saying that's factual just my own experience). Live on, it gets better
 
Man... i was NOT grateful after being resucitated (literally) after my few suicide attempts, and im still not. I find it weird when someone who wanted to die so bad is suddenly happy that they failed at it, so maybe it does have something to do with a psychological phenom..? Despite my christian faith, maybe having been left to die would have been more fortunate for me. My life DID get better since then, but that dont mean its any good.
I feel like most people are not immediately glad the attempt failed. But rather later down their life think back and are glad they didn't succeed because ultimately they are happy to still be alive for better or worse. That's been my experience at least
 
Honestly reading through this thread has me feeling guilty, because I've spent years with the same mentality. Basically romanticizing the idea of over dosing and dying on heroin. I've been narcanned a few times, not even attempting to KMS just doing a shot to feel numb and waking up in precip from narcan. So many people I know have lost loved ones to Heroin over doses, a girl I love so much at 10 years old walked in on her dead dad from OD. My mom's best friend has lost 2 sons from overdoses(who I grew up together with). Honestly, in my experience, the people that overdose and die didn't want to die. When you want to die you'll always manage to live. (Not in anyway saying that's factual just my own experience). Live on, it gets better
I don’t see any reason for you to feel any form of guilt in reading this thread. But I caution you with the romanticism. I have done the same thing for two years in thinking that just 2mg of Fentanyl would do the trick when necessary. Another miscalculation on my part. Maybe if IF IV but sublingual or ingested? No fucking way.Not for this dude anyway. Ask me how I know (or don’t because I am relatively sure the answer is obvious especially given my soul baring posts of today).

Sorry. My bad the above response more appropriate for your previous post.
 
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I feel like most people are not immediately glad the attempt failed. But rather later down their life think back and are glad they didn't succeed because ultimately they are happy to still be alive for better or worse. That's been my experience at least
I would agree that very few that OD and die intended to harm themselves and I guess to a degree that makes me feel like shit I.e. good people who actually wanted to live and have a good life and with loved ones andthat OD by accident and here is me not wanting that and putting my faith in the exact same substance that in all probability was the cause of their demise. Makes no sense does it.mind you let me not kid myself if I knew how or could bring myself to IV anything we’d not be having this “conversation”. And yipI spent much time going through the IV megAthread. Didn’t help a novice like me.

What is perplexing to me is that for the purposes of suicide pharmaceuticals and narcotics have the lowest success rate. Also the stats prove that females are far more likely to go that route while the female failure rate pales in comparison to that of men. Men are statistically more likely to use manual type methods and I reckon that explains the difference. Big thing to consider with narcotics and pharmaceuticals is the possible permanent fallout of a botched OD. Fine example are Trcyclic anti-depressants. Fuck me. If you take a look at possible side-effects of aN OD they are frightening and not something anybody would like to live with until their natural day comes. And you would probably be too physically fucked to be able to make another attempt.and thus be trapped in a less than stellar set of circumstances.
 
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Nice post. Interesting post. As it turns out comes Monday I am being offered the opportunity to go for all of these types of programs but I have to say I am not embracing the opportunities being afforded me. Mainly because nobody seems to have N answer to the question “what is the end game”.No amount of meds. Oor sitting talking through issues are going to change reality. If I go through all of this shit and come out the other end with a huge big smile on my dial and a positive attitude toward life: I still come out with nowhere to fucking go and not a loved one in sight or somebody to go home to or even a fucking job. Am waiting with baited breath to ask these questions and get some input from the panel of experts. I am speaking out of turn here because I have never had cause to go for rehab. For substance abuse. But in my mind that would be far easier to deal with as it has a beginning and a middle and an end. This depression shit is not like that.in other words treatment and success is not quantifiable. With rehab (as I understand it)you could/should be take out of the environment (and maybe placed at a sort of staging area (temporary), then treatment for however long is necessary and then let out clean. And who knows what the cutoff period is/ should be? Say it is six months clean for the sake of argument. That is quantifiable. In other words there is a cutoff point at which time you could be deemed as having being cured and that the treatment was a success and worth the trouble and effort. There is no telling with depression if/when you’re going to slide right back down into the blackness. Something arbitrary could simply trigger. Fine example would be those that are badly affected by SAD. Guess the question is how do you prevent that from happening long term. Or do you simply just never get better and walk a tightrope for the rest of your life? I would love to believe that simply relying on meds. would be the answer but I’m afraid my experiences of late with the usual suspect SSRIS and SNRIs leave much to be desired and have caused more shit for me than good due to debilitating side-effects.

More worrying is that there have been several forks in the road along the way and I have gone against my gut instinct and chosen the no suicide path. And I think I have jammed myself up into a corner because of this. And worse still this not the type of thing that people wish to discuss or get involved with biggest fear is that after all of this shit I can actually picture sitting having this type of discussion in months and years to come and knowing full well that as a result of my inaction (when I was in the right mindset and could have gone through with it and that up until about two weeks ago but of course I’ve now fucked myself in theeye as I been put on Amitryptaline and Tramadol so now I am feeling just peachy but it has only been for two weeks so that counts for nothing really). What I am saying is that togo from “just peachy” to suicidal is no mean feat I don’t think. I know that last part may make no sense at all. One would think that given the opportunity to get better and feel better mentally should/would be/ first prize and to be embraced at all costs. But there are thesethis pesky things called reality and prevailing circumstances. And that’s why I asked the question as to why most all that failed always have the same mantra I.e. happy that they failed and life is/gets better? Could it simply be that after treatment their perception of reality changes? Although I would find that. a stretch to digest. Or maybe proper treatment gives them the strength to take reality as it is and have the gusto to try change it going forward?

Anyways. There is just some random thoughts on the topic (well they ain’t that random as I think of nothing else).

Been meaning to start a thread on all of this shit of mine but have not.it’s pretty deep and personal and I am ashamed and embarrassed of the way my life has turned out and where I have ended up.

But I can tell you one thing for certain: somebody who is actively suicidal should be listened to and asked how they’re doing from time to time. Because in my experience those that know where I am at, or have been, seem to invalidate me and my concerns and feelings and worries for the future. Like as in because of where you are at you are not capable of making rational decisions. And it is still my firm belief that suicide may be the only rational decision that a person may make in their lives. Nobody willingly gets depressed and suicidal that’s for fuck sure. And not everybody that asks for a bit of help and love and compassion and understanding on the topic is looking for attention or trying to make a point or crying for help.I dunno maybe I expect too much from others. And worst thing you can do is feign to actually give a shit. Or come with platitudes. Depressed and suicidal people have NOT lost control of ALL of their faculties or become dumbed down and their feelings and emotions are every bit as valid as the next person’s.

It is rather ironic that for the very first time in my life I understand why people get totally blasted out of their minds on drugs( NOT Cocaine as that blots fuck all out and if anything ensures that you are more lucid and with it and quite possibly capable of overthinking things) so when I say Blasted I mean of the opioid type blasted. Anyway I get it now. Like I said ironic. And which to me, if nothing else is proof positive that there is no point in attempting to cure physical dependence and addiction until the underlying and root cause has been addressed I.e. the reason why an individual went down the use and abuse path in the first place to be addressed.
If you are over the age of 18 then there are halfway houses. If u do, normally there is a program to help you get a job. They will help you get on your feet and be able to do things. Life gets really rough at time, sometimes for long periods, but you cant give up. If you die, what would life be like then? You dont know whats gojng to happen. Atleast when you are alive you know whats going on. Its up to you but feel free to reach out through dm and i will give you my number if you need someone to listen. And i know someone who gives really good advice. Let me know if you would like to speak to them.

I dont know how old you are but its never too late to find loved ones.
 
If you are over the age of 18 then there are halfway houses. If u do, normally there is a program to help you get a job. They will help you get on your feet and be able to do things. Life gets really rough at time, sometimes for long periods, but you cant give up. If you die, what would life be like then? You dont know whats gojng to happen. Atleast when you are alive you know whats going on. Its up to you but feel free to reach out through dm and i will give you my number if you need someone to listen. And i know someone who gives really good advice. Let me know if you would like to speak to them.

I dont know how old you are but its never too late to find loved ones.
56, 57 in June of this year.

Thanks for your lovely post and input and advice. Very much appreciated like you have no idea how much.

There’s a few things that if it were not so late I’d like to have commented on but tomorrow is THE day to go get assessed by the head doctors and shrinks. So gonna have to get out of bed early and that not something I am too familiar with doing. So gonna take some effort and need to at least be on some sort of game. Maybe not on top of my game. But at least start and try get my shit together.lest I depress the fuck out of them and they decide to change careers.after listening to my shit. I just gonna be open and honest and tell it like it is and ask my questions. And that does not as rule go down well i.e. people are usually and visibly taken aback when I so candidly and with ease can broach the subject of suicide. But these dudes should be used to it. I will not be the first nor the last. Although I may be one of the first that they don’t have to spend hours trying to extract information from like pulling teeth or tusks from an elephant.most that I know just cannot or would not be able to bring themselves to be so open about such a subject. But there ain’t no point in going through alll of this without laying all the cards on the table. But I am lowering my expectations they’re a panel of psychologists and psychiatrists. They are not fortunectellers nor soothsayersI realize that. But from a purely philosophical point of view I have many questions that.I Am sure they should be able to answer. One of such questions already posed on this thread

Anyway. Thanks again.
 
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I have slipped back into my old ways it seems. I suppose I never really got out of them... But for a few months I was, at the very least, not sincerely wanting to kill myself.

Now, the thought pervades most of my day to day thoughts and actions. The only consolation people have offered me is that “things will get better”

I’m unsure what to make of this. The absurdist in me says that, things will indeed not get better. At least not for any sustained length of time. Quite frankly, I’ve accepted this as a fact.

For a moment, suppose that suicide is completely off the table for me. Together with this fact that things will not get better, this means that the only place left to find betterment is in the search itself. Others before me have come to this same conclusion. But to my understanding they simply leave it there: The search itself is enough to sustain one’s spirit.

However, in my experience this is not the case. The search itself is the very cause of my troubles. I can’t accept the fact that this search will go on until death. The mortal in me simply can’t grasp that purpose in life will always evade me.

Then, I guess I’m forced to accept that my initial assumption was wrong. Maybe things do get better.

So far, the only effective way of making life tolerable is to carefully titrate my drug use so as to give me gentle kick into action. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if I can sustain this dance for another 60 or so odd years until old age and death comes to me naturally.

Thus, unless the drug regimen (or another method of comforting myself) can last, I’m left to conclude that suicide simply cannot be off the table.

I’m sure one of you will find a flaw in my above reasoning. I welcome the criticism, truly. But regardless of the logic someone presents to me, I can’t shake this instinct that suicide remains the simpler option.

Anyways, I’m sorry for rambling. I hope y’all can manage, whatever that means to you.

@dalpat077 , I’m especially sorry to hear you’ve been feeling this way too. I’ve always enjoyed our conversations. Please know that you always have a friend in me.
 
Thus, unless the drug regimen (or another method of comforting myself) can last, I’m left to conclude that suicide simply cannot be off the table.

I’m sure one of you will find a flaw in my above reasoning. I welcome the criticism, truly. But regardless of the logic someone presents to me, I can’t shake this instinct that suicide remains the simpler option.
I feel the same. It certainly is the simpler option. It is the easy way out; so why does it seem so difficult?
 
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> and a rich abundance of possibility here on Green Earth.

For good or for ill, make friends, experience passion, make deep enduring alliances. Or take up some need within you that needs fulfilment.

Thats no lie either, these ripples that come in form of daydreams, aren't different from the truth.

Best/\wishes
 
> and a rich abundance of possibility here on Green Earth.

For good or for ill, make friends, experience passion, make deep enduring alliances. Or take up some need within you that needs fulfilment.

Thats no lie either, these ripples that come in form of daydreams, aren't different from the truth.

Best/\wishes

Same, same to whoever you desire. You need to get used to variation.. I think sometimes blues helps, but not at that extent.

I don't like quotes but i find this tattooed onto us.
 
I feel like most people are not immediately glad the attempt failed. But rather later down their life think back and are glad they didn't succeed because ultimately they are happy to still be alive for better or worse. That's been my experience at least
Oh yeah, that happened to me a few times, but it might not be everyones reality. I wish that this will happen to everyone whos attempted to end their lives.
 
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