💂‍♂️ UK 💂‍♂️ (I'd heard of this in America, but) UK now using painkillers to shut up/fob off patients?

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Me too, but longer. And they never hand out morphine in American hospital waiting rooms. We have different laws. And we spend 3x as much on Healthcare.( almost, and that is per capita with exchange rate calculated into the equation) The Uk is underfunded. France and Germany aren't.

They'd give Percocet or Vicodin, though, right? We don't have those as options (not sure why).
Yeah, the health care system here is REALLY underfunded. I mean, you will be seen same-day and the treatments are all excellent etc...but you very well might be stuck in the emergency room for 6 hours with a bunch of drunk people and hypochondriacs for 6 hours first*

*Depending what's wrong. It's triaged, of course. Like, they usually have a sign up with the approx. wait time and once when I lacerated the arteries in both wrists the waiting time was 5 hours, but I actually waited less than 3 minutes because "heavy bleeders" are in the second most urgent category (right behind severe chest pains and people who cannot breathe at all))

 

[Jnowhere]

"almost a decade ago" - you haven't had it longer than me then, I've had it since 2011.

Oh, and obv congrats on living so much longer than they gave you back then! Have they re-evaluated life-expectancy for you since then? It's amazing how wrong they can be. My grandmother was given 12 months to live in 1996 and she died in 2022.

Yes but your countries healthcare is woefully under funded. Also you only get a few morphine pills and codeine. You even complained on here, how little you get. You said that pain was gone a long time ago and have never mentioned in almost two years.
Just that you drank a lot of wine and for a while had pain. They don't give oxycodone. They give you a little morphine. Remember one of neighbors moved and then you were short because you.......

You never mentioned boofing any oxycodone. The window washer says only morphine and codeine.
Weak. Besides, they also are stingy on the benzos.

Not sure about the other meds. They just give out anti depressants.
You have only been on morphine for a while. They don't give out oxycodone. You have bitched how stingy the NHS is.

 

[Jnowhere]

It sucks, they use to give you whatever you wanted if the tests came back and your pancreas was inflamed. No vicodin, hydrocodone is weak and has paracetamol as you call it over there. Also percocets usually only have 7.5 mg of Oxycodone and 325 mg's of liver killing tylenol.

Nope only pure Oxycodone. It is also the greatest antidepressant in the world. No other drug can match it. Over 8 years and I still, get a huge mood lift for hours each day. No buzz for a long time. But I can feel my mood get good. My pain is probably permanent and it sucks, so I know how bad you must feel in some ways. Not the others. But it is a great pain killer. If you don't abuse it and learn to live with a little pain, it will work for years on the same dose. Taking away much of it.

Let's not fight, I am going to be happy soon and I am in peaceful mood.

Like right now, it is time for my evening meds.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Yes but your countries healthcare is woefully under funded. Also you only get a few morphine pills and codeine. You even complained on here, how little you get. You said that pain was gone a long time ago and have never mentioned in almost two years.
Just that you drank a lot of wine and for a while had pain. They don't give oxycodone. They give you a little morphine. Remember one of neighbors moved and then you were short because you.......

You never mentioned boofing any oxycodone. The window washer says only morphine and codeine.
Weak. Besides, they also are stingy on the benzos.

Not sure about the other meds. They just give out anti depressants.
You have only been on morphine for a while. They don't give out oxycodone. You have bitched how stingy the NHS is.

Ohh, I see.
No, I didn't just "drink a lot of wine and had pain", I had acute necrotizing pancreatitis and was in hospital for 12 weeks; given a 20% chance of surviving at one point. With the pancreatic pain it varies a lot. I have moderate pain all the time, then severe pain with flare-ups. They initially had me on 200mg Oxy daily, it was only after I got addicted and had that label on my medical records that they started being super-strict with what they'd prescribe. So it was more that as someone who has been an addict I could barely get opioids prescribed even when I had a legit need for them.
I switched doctors practices recently and they're more sympathetic. My old doctors only gave me 240mg Codeine and 10mg Morphine a day (honestly, TF is 10mg morphine A DAY gonna do for ANYONE?). My new doctor was horrified how under-prescribed I was (I have diabetic neuropathy and two severely herniated discs in addition to the pancreatitis) and have so far moved me up to 80mg Morphine/day and have said they're willing to increase again if I need more (I'm tryinggg to be sensible, though, as I don't wanna end up building up a tolerance too fast and ending up on a really high dose and still in pain).
There's not just Codeine and Morphine; Tramadol, Dihydrocodeine Oxycodone and Fentanyl are all also really common.
Spot on about benzo's, though. Wouldn't be surprised if we were the stingiest country in the world when it comes to benzos.

 

[Jnowhere]

Yeah well, what ever you did is absolutely fucked up. It took me over 2 decades of being wasted.
I guess you are just weaker and or your full of it. I stick with weak.
You can't get shit except they might rarely give heroin to people dying.

I don't know what you did or didn't do but, you obviously had a weak and compromised body. But I still wonder are you telling porkies? Are you being economical with the truth?

That sounds like codswallop.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Maybe harsh but I feel like we might have to stop treating people (for free) for health conditions caused by things they refuse to TRY (and I'm saying TRY not SUCCEED) to change themselves. Like (and I'M a smoker) if a smoker refuses to even attempt to quit or decease how much they smoke when diagnosed with related pulmonary issues or if someone who is severely obese refuses to even try to lose weight has obesity-related issues.

This defeats the whole point of socialised healthcare. Are you going to deny access to everyone who can't do a half marathon? The NHS is not a God that the public need to please before they're allowed to use it.

Re underfunding, it gets plenty of funding, roughly the same as other European countries that get far better results. It is just incredibly badly managed.

Re codeine, I had pretty bad pain from gout and after years was given a single box of 15mg codeine, one every four hours, the same as cocodamol you can buy from boots except more expensive. With the warning that you must NEVER use it four days in a row or you will find yourself knocking over shops for your tiny doses of codeine

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

14 hours!? Damn.

His been on 10 different drugs each day & the cocktail had some weird reaction, he turned bright red with a weird rash & now his skin is falling off like a Snake, when my Mom asked the Doc WTF is going on they said they had no idea.

He was in Pain a few days ago when in an isolation ward & they refused to give him anything for the pain, that is fucking evil imho.
To quote Burroughs "Morphine is for people in Pain so who should have it? Those in Pain"

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

No it wouldn't, Iwas on both a lot of morphine sulfate and a moderate amount of oxycodone, still am. They may say whatever, but bioavailibilty is different from person to person. Besides you have not had around 10,000 oxycodone ir's and countless thousands of morphine sulfate pills that were alot stronger than 10 or 15 mg's.
Pancreatitus and was given a year to live almost a decade ago. I know oxycodone and Morphine sulfate better than you ever will!!!!!!

You are way off, on this one.

[True story]

Heroin is 4 times the Potency of Morphine by weight.
That is Heroin too, 10-15mg of Morphine is FUCK ALL, even someone who has ZERO experience of Opiate drugs wouldn't feel that.

When I had a hole in my ass from having an abscess LITERALLY CUT OUT from directly above my actual asshole I was washing down 200-300mg of Pure NHS Codeine with Pure NHS Oral Morphine as soon as I woke up & then I'd smoke 0.2-0.3 of Afghan #3 a few hours later & my head was still up & I was walking / talking like a normal Human, go figure folks.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Good hospital. I remember for years after Shipman no-one would prescribe morphine. John McVicar said he scored his dying mother heroin as they wouldnt give her morphine

My mate who has been on Heroin for 10-12 years is on a Methadone script, his on 60mg daily, when he pissed dirty the drug worker marked him down on the notes as "High Risk" of an OD, they said mixing Methadone with Heroin made him a High Risk of going over, what a fucking joke.

Shipman really fucked things up, the NHS doctors should UNDERSTAND a thing called tolerance, it's like with Booze for example so someone who drinks strong Cider each day could slam half a litre of Vodka & be ok yet if I did the same I'd be on my back half dead as I hardly take Alcohol, someone who has been on 60mg of Methadone & has smoked 2-3 bags of Heroin each day for the last 3 years can take way more opiates than my Mother (who gets sick & goes on the nod with Codeine)

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

This defeats the whole point of socialised healthcare. Are you going to deny access to everyone who can't do a half marathon? The NHS is not a God that the public need to please before they're allowed to use it.

Re underfunding, it gets plenty of funding, roughly the same as other European countries that get far better results. It is just incredibly badly managed.

Re codeine, I had pretty bad pain from gout and after years was given a single box of 15mg codeine, one every four hours, the same as cocodamol you can buy from boots except more expensive. With the warning that you must NEVER use it four days in a row or you will find yourself knocking over shops for your tiny doses of codeine

I've never heard of anyone being prescribed such a minute dose!! It's actually even less than OTC Co-Codamol since they have 8mg each, so even that would be 16mg every 4 hours.
Yeah, those warnings are way OTT. Great big black writing on Co-Codamol 8/500s "WARNING: CONTAINS OPIOID. CAN CAUSE ADDICTION. USE FOR THREE DAYS ONLY"

I actually bought Robitussin Dry Cough [the one that contains only DXM] for legit reasons and THAT has a warning on it, something like "Can cause on opioid affect. Can cause addiction"

So does Immodium, too! "Can cause an opioid affect at high doses. May cause addiction."

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Yeah, I that, but 20%-40% bioavailibilty rate is and Morphine Sulfate is not nearly as good pain, IMO as Morphine HCL. The article even said 10 mg is not nearly enough for pain and I agree. Give something that will work or at least enough to relieve pain.

Oh, you have headache; here is half a baby asprin.( not talking about the hospital. If your family has money and your mother is not terminal;
She should come to America and go to one of our cancer treatment places.

What is the difference in BA between sulphate and hcl? Makes me wonder why they don't use ONLY hcl :/

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

This defeats the whole point of socialised healthcare. Are you going to deny access to everyone who can't do a half marathon? The NHS is not a God that the public need to please before they're allowed to use it.

Re underfunding, it gets plenty of funding, roughly the same as other European countries that get far better results. It is just incredibly badly managed.

Re codeine, I had pretty bad pain from gout and after years was given a single box of 15mg codeine, one every four hours, the same as cocodamol you can buy from boots except more expensive. With the warning that you must NEVER use it four days in a row or you will find yourself knocking over shops for your tiny doses of codeine

No, I clearly said preventable conditions where the person refuses to make any effort at all. They already do that for some things. Like, if you need a liver transplant due to alcohol, you have to completely abstain from alcohol for 6 months before they'll put you on the transplant list.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

His been on 10 different drugs each day & the cocktail had some weird reaction, he turned bright red with a weird rash & now his skin is falling off like a Snake, when my Mom asked the Doc WTF is going on they said they had no idea.

He was in Pain a few days ago when in an isolation ward & they refused to give him anything for the pain, that is fucking evil imho.
To quote Burroughs "Morphine is for people in Pain so who should have it? Those in Pain"

Really sorry to hear that! Hope he's doing better now?
That sounds like he might have had either Stevens-Johnson Syndrome or Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis?

Yeah, refusing pain meds to someone in pain is fucking disgusting. I feel like the ability to access adequate pain relief should be one of the basic human rights.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I actually bought Robitussin Dry Cough [the one that contains only DXM] for legit reasons and THAT has a warning on it, something like "Can cause on opioid affect. Can cause addiction"

what a load of horseshit. "opioid effect"

That's about same level of expertise than saying about everything that gives a buzz "it is a bit like weed".

 

[Jnowhere]

What is the difference in BA between sulphate and hcl? Makes me wonder why they don't use ONLY hcl :/

The HCL is much better. They just don't like it because you can feel the effects I guess.( more abuseable or something). If your in pain, so what if you enjoy the meds. Killjoys everywhere I guess.

 

[canadianpeduser]

I feel like NHS has always been really strict with opioids, but I was in hospital last week and while it was fairly urgent so I was only in the A&E waiting room for an hour, once I got to the assessment suite/waiting area there was a SIX AND A HALF HOUR wait to see a doctor which I have never seen anything so bad before. Most of us were on gurneys in the hallway, like that hospital scene in The Impossible :/
Anyway, literally every single person I saw there was immediately put on 10mg Oramorph every 4 hours. I heard a woman complaining about it, too, saying "you're just giving us all morphine to shut us up and keep us out of too much pain while we wait hours on end to see a doctor who half the time just sends us home and tells us to contact our GP"

I eventually complained (after I had waited 5 hours to see a doctor for suspected Corda Equina, which is a surgical EMERGENCY) and they literally just said "the doctor has said it won't be long and we're gonna increase your morphine dose to 15mg".

Has anyone else seen or experienced anything like this?

Canada has been like this for years now. I’ve seen 8-12 hour ER waits recently

 

[canadianpeduser]

Oramorph 10-15mg is the same as Oxycodone 6.6-10mg. That would definitely take the edge off pain in people who were opioid-naive.

Yeah, we do have Oxycodone here, I used to be prescribed it.
AND we have the good OC oxycontin, not that OP oxycontin

Lucky you

 

[canadianpeduser]

In Canada we have the safer supply programs in major cities (and some smaller ones as well)- i was prescribed 30 x dilaudid 8’s , 1000mg Kadian Morphine sulphate ER, 20 x Ritalin 10 mg (apo brand), 15 mg zopiclone, 450 mg quetiapine, 60 mg paroxitine, and 70 mg methadone, DAILY. I was a fucking zombie . And this is all on the taxpayer $. Gladly I’ve been off this for about 2 years now because if I didn’t stop, I wouldn’t have been able to get well. There was no hoarding meds for me. I was going through it all daily and then some.

 

[Mr Muttongrump]

So sorry to hear about your mother.

The super-over-capacity thing is so dire. Britain really needs to make NHS the #1 priority when it comes to funding. Like, I'm not saying we shouldn't be helping Ukraine, but maybe we shouldn't have just sent (I think it's £450 MILLION) when our own country is collapsing.

Maybe harsh but I feel like we might have to stop treating people (for free) for health conditions caused by things they refuse to TRY (and I'm saying TRY not SUCCEED) to change themselves. Like (and I'M a smoker) if a smoker refuses to even attempt to quit or decease how much they smoke when diagnosed with related pulmonary issues or if someone who is severely obese refuses to even try to lose weight has obesity-related issues.

I agree with you regarding obese people and cigarette smokers including dope smokers. Taking this a bit further and in the interests of fairness this would also have to include those with drug abuse related illness (unless the patient was prepared to get treatment for their problem).
I have to disagree when you say 'treating people for free' it's not free is it ? It's paid for by everyone in one form or another method of taxation.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I agree with you regarding obese people and cigarette smokers including dope smokers. Taking this a bit further and in the interests of fairness this would also have to include those with drug abuse related illness (unless the patient was prepared to get treatment for their problem).
I have to disagree when you say 'treating people for free' it's not free is it ? It's paid for by everyone in one form or another method of taxation.

It's free in the sense that it's funding by taxes, so when you go to hospital, you don't have to actually pay, if you know what I mean. There'll be no bill or charge or anything. It technically IS free for me as I'm disabled and so don't pay taxes.