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Teddles said:
Its such a shame that the days off getting good old speed are gone. When i first started taking uppers and going to raves in the mid nighties all there was was speed and pills. Every one was running around with massive grins and dancing all night.
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Aah, those were the days.. E's, T's and some good speed was pretty much all you'd see. Back then the rave/dance scene felt like it was becoming too mainstream (which it was), but looking at the present scene now, the dance scene has become really, really mainstream. You can see it at festivals where the crowds are being pulled to dj's playing songs you'd hear on ministry of sound albums, rather than some good funky beats like timo maas, the plump dj's or the like. Plus everyone's dumping biccies these days. Even all the booze heads who used to disappear by the early hours of the morning.

As for people trying to understand the addiction to Ice. I truly believe it depends on the person. I myself have tried it a fair few times and can't see myself becoming addicted. I've also done coke and speed heaps (even IV a couple of times) and while I do agree it's great fun, I don't fiend for it. I don't have an addictive personality. I can easily see the trend in some of my friends who absolutely love all those uppers and they're the ones who have the tendency to get hooked on that type of stuff. It affects them heaps (compared to me anyway)and they love it. Me, I prefer biccies anyday.
 
Some of my early posts was about how ice/meth had changed the scene here, especially in the clubs and venues. I like it. but am not a regular user like I was for several years. Some people flip out, some people dont, its definately a complicated drug.
 
raped? not by mdma. thats the beauty of this drug. Abuse it however.......

raped by ice? only used it once, it's not what i'm lookin for
 
sydkiwi said:
So are trips
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Yes, but I said it's both fun and functional. As in it feels euphoric, or at least, puts you in a good mood, but you'll still be able to socialise, dance, work, study, party, etc. Tripping makes it harder to function in the real world. Meth can make some tasks easier to complete or more enjoyable, not to mention the boost of confidence makes socialising much much easier.
 
All of these posts have been really interesting to read, it seems ICE/METH is definitely a drug people on this board have a lot of respect for in terms of its potential for harm and abuse, and that’s really good to see :)

One other harmful aspect of the whole ICE experience I've noticed only recently is the social stigma it can generate amongst a group of friends towards particular individuals... in this case myself.

In my group of friends I was the first to try meth as I found speed to be rather un-economical and painful for my mucus glands. :\ It was strange that I felt that I couldn't let particular friends know about my new experiences even though these friends were (are) regular speed users. Even now I don't let certain friends know that I take Ice in party situations, which is strange for me because I have never been afraid to let people know about my drug use - pretty much because I don't fear judgment amongst my friends.

My point is the whole Ice hysteria has really penetrated deep into the minds of many - even those who I would consider open-minded and intelligent enough to disregard hype and look at the reality of the issue. The “Ice user” stigma can be really harmful, friends who I have told begin to look at my drug use differently, even though my habits have changed barely at all – simply the substitution of a few burns from a dozen or so lines.. Meth really does seem to becoming a dirty word... :(
 
I enjoy ice but I love speed, ice seems to be a lot harder on the body than speed. Most of my friends agree that while the chemical may be the same there is a huge difference in the way that speed and ice effects people. It may be something you only notice if you are an IV user though.
 
I don't understand why people think Ice is bad and speed is fine....It's the same fucking drug(methamphetamine).Buying speed is just ripping yourself off.Why don't people that hate ice-like speed just buy ice,crush it and cut it??Voila...speed!

It's so popular because it's fun!It's not new for me and i inject(always have),yet i've never had a problem*shrug*...Different strokes for different folks.
 
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It's not so much the drug per se that's regarded as bad. It's the dosages often involved with certain routes of administration that can make such a different to health.
 
^that's true, but I don't think that such a sophisticated consideration of drug, set and setting is what is going on when people go into a panic about the "meth epidemic". Rather, it is an unconscious combination of moral and pharmacological models of explaining drug use - druggies are weak and should be punished, and some drugs are too dangerous to be permitted to exist. It's THIS kind of uneducated bollox that needs a gentle lesson in the beauty of harm reduction
 
i got to try speed/meth (lots of little bits in a bag, 2 bags, both from different people) at the weekend.. wasn't impressed tbh.. slightly energetic and that was about it :( it also seems rather un-economical if the quality is that poor.
 
college_dropout said:
Yes, but I said it's both fun and functional. As in it feels euphoric, or at least, puts you in a good mood, but you'll still be able to socialise, dance, work, study, party, etc. Tripping makes it harder to function in the real world. Meth can make some tasks easier to complete or more enjoyable, not to mention the boost of confidence makes socialising much much easier.
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^I know I have said the exact same things to others when trying to explain my previous addiction to others.

As with all amphetamines, they are fun, but they do not impede your ability to function 'normally' as do other drugs such as LSD and MDMA. Imagine trying to work a 9-5 off your face while you are all loved up and peaking off your face :). So, the danger is that you fool yourself into thinking your are living a normal lifestyle, and therefore your addiction, if it even exists, is not really that dangerous. Indeed, i even used to feel like it was a good thing i was on constantly on amphetamines because i was accomplishing far more than when i was sober.

I know someone said before why differentiate meth from speed given they are the same drug? I think because speed typically has less purity than ice, therefore the positive effects experienced from speed will be less intense than a more pure form of amphetamine, thus increasing its potential for abuse. Compounding the issue is that most people addicted to ice typically IV or smoke it. (I know that is a generalisation, but i have never heard of a meth addict who only ever ingested/insufflated ice). Given the intensity of both of those methods, i think that further compounds the whole concept of meth being more intense/potent than street speed.

In terms of whether why so many people fuck up with it? I think the most important thing to highlight is a lot of people also do not fuck up on it - it is just the bad cases that stand out. That being said, i do think meth is particularly dangerous given what i have already stated, what others have said, and also simply because a lot of younger people associate it with other party drugs, and don't realise just how dangerous it is before it has already become an issue. The number of 18 year olds i see talking in such a blasse way about meth is scary.

Most importantly, i think it is always the relationship that we have with ourselves that will determine whether we use or abuse drugs, be that ice or anything else. Some people will fuck up, some people won't. In the long run, i don't think you can really blame it on the drug per se, although i do recognise there may be a greater potential for abuse with particular drugs.
 
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yeah well my very good friend of many years who was a very together person discovered it , got addicted to it, lost the plot, starting associating with other users and was then brutally murdered by a meth paranoid psycho all within the space of a year.
Great Drug! People who take that shit may aswell put a gun to their head same goes for smack.
 
androoo said:
i got to try speed/meth (lots of little bits in a bag, 2 bags, both from different people) at the weekend.. wasn't impressed tbh.. slightly energetic and that was about it :( it also seems rather un-economical if the quality is that poor.
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If you shoot it it's a lot better but most won't do that. Smoking gives you a rush too but its not as clean or intense as IV.
 
Tresca said:
yeah well my very good friend of many years who was a very together person discovered it , got addicted to it, lost the plot, starting associating with other users and was then brutally murdered by a meth paranoid psycho all within the space of a year.
Great Drug! People who take that shit may aswell put a gun to their head same goes for smack.
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And I guess dropping a few untested unknown street pills into your gut is just so much better in terms of safety? I agree meth is fucked, I've done it a lot in the past few years. Shooting it up is quite a rush and there were times I over did it. I pretty much think it's a shit drug now, quality or not, but the feeling is still awesome.
 
Splatt said:
And I guess dropping a few untested unknown street pills into your gut is just so much better in terms of safety? I agree meth is fucked, I've done it a lot in the past few years. Shooting it up is quite a rush and there were times I over did it. I pretty much think it's a shit drug now, quality or not, but the feeling is still awesome.
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Nobody is denying that dropping a few unknown untested street pills is dangerous either. Its all risky but some are way way riskier than others. Personally I would never buy drugs off the street anyway, its more likely to do nothing at all. Ice is known to have a very high addiction rate and a really really bad comedown. I only have to look at ice and smack users to know that its not the road I wanna travel. I dont care how good it makes you feel. Id prefer not to go through the hell that follows just for a few hours of pleasure thanks. Its a dirty dangerous drug and its quite frightening that so many really young people are using it oblivious to the negative consequences. It doesnt matter what anyone says, there are negative consequences and they are unavoidable.
 
Tresca
there are negative consequences and they are unavoidable.
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Thats a pretty bold and shortsighted statement. I can't imagine how traumatic an experience like seeing a friend get addicted and then die can be.. but by blaming the drug and using rhetoric more commonly heard on channel 9 like "its a dirty drug" is simply ignoring the fact that different people will have different experiences with its effects.

In my own personal experiences with Ice I have found it quite managable. I went through a period when I first tried the drug I used it every weekend for 6 weeks or so - only one night a week, always Friday or Saturday and I always had at least some sleep. After a while I just stopped, I never felt addicted and I never was. I haven't had any for a month or so and I have no burning desire to have more any time soon. I look forward to having some for the next big night out, but its not like I look forward to it any more than I look forward to having my next big night on pills.

Some ice users, in particular the growing number of younger 17-19 year olds, do seem to be using ice unaware of its unwanted effects or addictive nature, especially when its used every weekend or for getting through the day. This, however, should not be used to paint a blank generalisation of the drugs effects or to over generalise its users IMO. I've seen both the good and the bad. Its not the drugs fault.
 
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