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ice.. why is it rare?

randycaver

randycaver

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i searched the other drugs archive and this current forum for ice and came up with nothing .. and looked on the net and nothing came up but reasons why not to do it.
so im curious. why is ice so rare? is it extremely difficult to make?
 
I dont know how difficult it is to make (although Ive heard you need hard to get things ie: liquid nitrogen...dont quote me), but if your caught cooking it, your screwed. Big penalty for making meth.
Alot of people still do it, but maybe the penalty scares others out of it. Sure know I would never try it...
 
As in 4-methylaminorex. And it's supposed to be easy to make... Just for some reason only people in Thailand mainly seem to make it.
 
ice as in the 'best, purest form of meth'
soo i guess that's good meth? i didnt know there were too different kinds
 
I figured you meant 4-MAR since you spoke of it as being rare and difficult to make, I assumed in comparison to methamphetamine.
 
I don't really know at all, but I would pose the idea that alot of the people that synthesize meth in the US are in it mostly for profit. In the south, the midwest, blahblahblah. and therefore don't know or even care about the nuances of effect and chemical structure.
I mean it's kind of sad but alot of the people with the most desired drugs don't know what they have. It's a business, you know? And 4-MAR is obscure. ALOT of people want it, but it's cloudy in it's definition. Even to well educated drug users.
Coke. Crack. even people who don't know anything in this arena have a feeling in regards to the descrepency. yeah, people try to justify crack as 'freebase' but the fact that they have to justify it means that they understand a level of descrepency.
but I think speed, meth, it's just not as publicized. it's not as incorporated in everyday consciousness. it's not as known.
and alot of dealers aren't as educated as they should be.
 
Well, this is really a good question.. the drug definitly has re-sale potential - those that try it agree it offers a good high and it's not even that difficult to produce .. now the primary precursor isn't exactly "OTC" and the vaspors produced can be fatal, but if you have the money I am sure you could get all of these things, and if you have skills you could certinly make them ..
I think it's just too little known - methamphetamine is easier to manufacture and can be more profitable - that might be it, no one actually knows what "ICE" is, and they would probably think it's meth at first .. of course the world would soon learn the difference after they did the drug and realized its not the same ..
Can anyone else maybe give some info on this one? I really dont have a good explaination as to why we dont see more 4-MAR ..
 
^it's not about seniority, its because you look stupid.
ICE = 4-methylaminorex not methapmhetamine.
So you talking about good meth being ICE got you flammed, if you'd read the thread you would have seen this is was wrong and avoided this.
Hopefully I've saved you an ass rape by PhreeX but probably not :)
 
If you have the precursor handy, the synth is pretty easy...I think it's pretty fucking arbitrary that there isn't more 4-methylaminorex around...who knows, maybe its day will come and it will be as common as meth or mdma.
 
randycaver was asking about good meth, not 4-MAR. if you want to find stuff about good meth search for glass, not ice. ice refers to 4-MAR. but as to why glass is hard to find...people just produce a lower quality product because they can. but good meth isn't that hard to find. maybe you need to meet the right people.
 
when i have searched for meth online, ice comes up with it.
i know what glass is, i have had it. i was just under the impression that ice was a purer form of it, and was much better.
i was just wonderin the difference
 
Why people get confused on the slang names, I don't know.
Meth = glass. The pure crystals are clear, like glass.
4-mar = ice. The pure crystals are translucent white, like ice.
that might be it, no one actually knows what "ICE" is, and they would probably think it's meth at first .. of course the world would soon learn the difference after they did the drug and realized its not the same ..
I seriously doubt I would have known the difference between them if nobody had told me. There are some effects that are different, but the primary effects are almost exactly the same. I would have just thought it was really pure meth synthed in an unusual way.
I've posted this before, but I'll post again anyways.
The biggest differences I noticed were :\
4-mar slightly altered my vision and made colors brighter, objects appear smaller. It also made me introverted instead of extroverted, but a lot of my friends did NOT experience that. However it's nothing I've ever experienced from meth before. The few times I did it, it was something like an introspective stimulant trip.
Stimulant being the key word. I was otherwise jacked just the same as I would have been on meth, which is why I most likely would have never known the difference had I not been told what it was prior and not been able to recognize the difference between the crystals.
It was stuff from Thailand last summer, btw.
I am also curious as to why 4-mar is not more popular, at least here in the States. The $20 bags I saw last summer were packed with huge crystals and could have easily retailed for twice as much if sold as meth and even then could have been cut probably by 50% if someone so chose to do so.
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I think across the like first line of the forum it needs to say
ICE = 4-methylaminorex
GLASS/SHARDS/ANYTHING ELSE = methamphetamine
besides, if youve tried both, you KNOW the difference, and 4-MAR is SOOOO much nicer...
someone make me a lot please.
 
Looking at the structure (and not being a chemist or experienced in these matters) it appears to be fairly difficult to synth. Looking over at rhodium all the synths I see are at least as hard as meth.
Also the subjective reports seemed to suggest it was more productive than meth but didn't suggest the same reinforcing potential. It that is the case it is hardly surprising that meth is produced instead (esp as ppl already know how to make it).
Tho I seem to remember some ppl on this board claiming they had it and it was fucking awesome.
Perhaps some of this may be explained by the fact that all 4 isomers of this substance are active but with differnt potencies at differnt nuerotransmitters. Just like how meth with a bunch of ephedrine left in it wouldn't be that good one might see why certain batches might turn out to be much more enjoyable than others.
 
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