Stimulants "Ice" question

[jsnake]

I'm not talking about 4-MAR by the way.
Where I live, there's two different kinds of amps you can get, ice and speed. I've read around a bit, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of clarification between the two. Now, I know there's amphetamine and methamphetamine, and I know they're similar in effects aside from a few distinct differences. I know meth is easier to make and more potent than amph, and as a result most street speed is likely to be meth. But then there's crystal meth, which we call shard. So many files I've read refer to meth as crystal meth, ice etc. They seem to be referring to meth in general when they mention its street names. From what I've gathered, ice and speed are the same base drug, but ice is made with a more complex processing technique and is a more concentrated form of meth. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
So what is "crystal meth" then? Is every batch of shard meth as the name suggests, or is there crystal amphetamine as well, and is there any way to tell the two apart before you ingest them? Is meth a different consistency than amph in "speed" form? Thanks in advance.

 

[Tripman]

Are you in Australia by the way? From your terminology i guess this.

If so, we have virtually no real "speed" here which is amphetamine sulfate.

Crystal meth/Ice/Shard is exactly as you suspected, crystalline methamphetamine.

"Speed" in this day and age in australia is usually just really really cut meth.

 

[jsnake]

Good guess Man, all our drugs are cut to the shithouse. We're too far away from all the action I guess 8(
So does that mean that Ice is just meth that hasn't been cut up beyond recognition? So crystal meth starts off as actual crystals and as it makes its way down the chain, it resembles shards less and less until it gets to the point that it needs to be broken down into powder because the crystals would look completely diluted. What cutting agent is generally used to cut shard then? Does it differ much between dealers or change at all as it's moved and chopped up?
I didn't think we'd have a lot of amphetamines. Most people wouldn't know the difference with the shit that goes round now, and if the effects are more pronounced and longer lasting, that's the shit that dealers would wanna be moving I guess. Seems pointless from that perspective.

 

[snazzy_sn]

Slang varies by location, but here in Texas methamphetamine freebase is referred to as ice, whereas regular methamphetamine is referred to as speed or crank.
The difference is like that of cocaine and crack.

Crank is much more uncommon that ice here

I started off doing crank and moved on to ice much later and at that point was smoking and shooting whereas I had only snorted crank so I can't really judge the difference although I think the rush from smoking/shooting ice is better whereas crank lasts much much longer and stays strong whereas ice makes you want to redose more often.

The consistency is much different. Ice tends to resemble... Well little (and if you're lucky) big crystals whereas crank is more like powdery and clumpy.

 

[tricomb]

Speed = meth in the USA. We don't deal with that amp sulphate BS.

Crystal: ice, super pure, glass, IV-grade.

Crank: shitty homebake, or crystal that's been cut to shit.

 

[snazzy_sn]

Speed = meth in the USA. We don't deal with that amp sulphate BS.

Crystal: ice, super pure, glass, IV-grade.

Crank: shitty homebake, or crystal that's been cut to shit.

Yeah, why would anyone do amph? lawl...

And um. I dunno. Ever do some real crank? Like still wet and warm right off the pyrex?
Pretty amazing. Take out the rush and the high produced from a bump is comparable to a good .2-.4 shot of decent shards but smoother and longer lasting.

 

[jsnake]

Someone on this thread said amph is more of a body high and less clarity of mind than meth, whereas meth = other way round. I guess big dumb superjocks that spend much of their free time charging through a mess of bodies on a rugby field would find the former more enjoyable. I'd rather stay high longer and feel smart tbh.
Can't say I have done some real crank like that. Not sure if I wanna push that far in all honesty. I bet that shit smells like absolute ass though lol. Most people I know who take speed hardcore swear on it and look down on ice users as addicts, yet they take the shit all through the week and act like bigger fried fuckwits than my group. That's probably just their personalities combined with meth abuse, but it seems to be much more efficient getting a point of the stronger shit and having it last all night than getting a half gram and having to go get more when you run out. That's how it's worked for me. And from what you guys said, it's all the same shit anyway, minus a whole lot of cutters and/or impurities.
I'm a noob user in comparison to some of you by the way, I picked up on that we'll see how long that lasts...

 

[jsnake]

So basically ice and meth/speed are the same thing. It's not a different way of making the drug, ice has just been handed down to less people and is only purer for that reason. Ice is also similar to how meth looks when it's cooked up. Is this correct?

 

[snazzy_sn]

Personally I've always felt it to be the other way around.
Meth makes my entire body feel alive. I feel it in my lungs and in my penis and my brain actually feels electrified.
Regular amph just keeps my brain going whereas my my body follows through with it's normal functions.

But I've never done street amph, just adderal.

 

[jsnake]

Isn't that dextroamphetamine as well as amph sulfate? I've gotten a mad body high from shard lately, I feel like I can run forever. That might be because my fitness is much higher now though, that wasn't always the case.

 

[Tripman]

So basically ice and meth/speed are the same thing. It's not a different way of making the drug, ice has just been handed down to less people and is only purer for that reason. Ice is also similar to how meth looks when it's cooked up. Is this correct?

In practice, yes. In theory... No.

Speed should technically be amp sulfate.

Otherwise, glass, shards, ice, crystal. It is all slang.

 

[trooper7]

Ok, I don't know about international slang, but a lot of people here (us) use the term 'speed' generically for any meth-like upper.
Also, no one has mentioned the real difference between crank and true meth. Crank (lith) is made with batteries. It's dirtier, it rots your teeth, the rush isn't there, and it doesn't last as long. Meth (insert million slang names here) is made with phosphorous. It lasts longer, has a better rush, and feels less jangly.
I won't even get into 'prop dope', cause that's very sadly obsolete information.

 

[LesFleursDuMal]

Ok, I don't know about international slang, but a lot of people here (us) use the term 'speed' generically for any meth-like upper.
Also, no one has mentioned the real difference between crank and true meth. Crank (lith) is made with batteries. It's dirtier, it rots your teeth, the rush isn't there, and it doesn't last as long. Meth (insert million slang names here) is made with phosphorous. It lasts longer, has a better rush, and feels less jangly.
I won't even get into 'prop dope', cause that's very sadly obsolete information.

Perhaps the differentiation has something to do with how pure the substance is? I can imagine 'diluted' meth (whatever you call it) is only lower in popularity much like every other drug is when there are differences in form/potency. The more pure and free of binders/extraeneous chemicals a drug is - then the more euphoric the rush is and more easily is it able to cross into the bloodstream and into the brain? a theory.

The way I see it is - the same exact chemical, but in two very different forms, will almost always produce markedly different experiences - just due to the binders involved/the chemical state it's in/and the viable methods of administration for both.
Any thoughts? Im actually quite curious having smoked meth for the first time just only weeks ago, which I thought was a pretty pleasant and warm high. It did leave me (hours later, mind you) wanting a bit more, but not enough to go buy it. I love stimulants, but I'm afraid they'll kill me eventually. Id rather use good ol' junk. );p--

 

[jsnake]

I get it (I think), but that's kind of confusing. Basically, whenever someone refers to the lower potency version of meth that we get here as 'speed', they're technically using the wrong terminology considering that most of that speed is not amph sulphate but actually methamphetamine. Also, if it's all the same chemical, why sell varying purities of the drug at different prices? I mean, I could understand it being a dealer-between-dealer thing, like if you know the right connect that gets the shit before it gets cut up he'll sell you some of the real shit for more, but it appears to be part of the culture to have two completely different levels of potency in this case. Crack and cocaine are the only other similar thing to this I can think of, but from what I know that's a whole different story as crack is freebase coke, which has been put through another chemical process to get a different product which (I presume, crack's like non-existant here) hits you in a different way. Know what I mean?
So assuming the whole idea of that was designed in a way for either 'speed' or ice to be more profitable than the other (just what I'd guess to be the reason why dealers put them into different categories), which one is designed to fuck you over in that respect? I guess what I'm asking is which one of the two is better bang for your buck, the whole 'rush' factor aside? In my experience, it's been ice, but I might have just had some shitty 'speed' contacts back then.

 

[trooper7]

No, it's not the same. It's not a purity issue; it's two different but very similar drugs made differently and with different ingredients, but both are made with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. Crank is cheaper and easier to make, and so sells for less. It's usually a powder,(but I've heard of people who gas it to make it look more like shard) and real meth is crystalline.
And personally, I think it's just better to pay a little more for the real thing. It's a better high, and more lasting.

 

[tricomb]

proud to say i've never done crank. Crank is what you get when you shake and bake and fuck it up, like if you don't do the first few steps right.

I can't get into it without touching on synthesis discussion. Sorry. Definitely you need to gas it though, in reference to the post above me. People who take short cuts end up with CRANK. ^Another thing, you don't need pseudo to make methamphetamine.

Crank doesn't refer to the synthesis used, it doesn't matter whether they did a Lithium/Ammonia reduction of Ephedrine, or whether they did P2P. Crank just means it's shitty as fuck, somebody messsed up somewhere, used the wrong chemical or solvent, didn't wash it right, or just fucked up in general.

Good ice can be made with ephedrine or P2P, it's not a question of "what synthesis" rather "what synthesis they fucked up".

Also, in reference to the cocaine/crack analogy. Crack cocaine DOES NOT EQUAL freebase cocaine, true freebase cocaine is made with ammonia and diethyl ether, not baking soda and water.

 

[kokaino]

Speed = meth in the USA. We don't deal with that amp sulphate BS.

Crystal: ice, super pure, glass, IV-grade.

Crank: shitty homebake, or crystal that's been cut to shit.

This sums it up well!

 

[trooper7]

proud to say i've never done crank. Crank is what you get when you shake and bake and fuck it up, like if you don't do the first few steps right.

I can't get into it without touching on synthesis discussion. Sorry. Definitely you need to gas it though, in reference to the post above me. People who take short cuts end up with CRANK. ^Another thing, you don't need pseudo to make methamphetamine.

Crank doesn't refer to the synthesis used, it doesn't matter whether they did a Lithium/Ammonia reduction of Ephedrine, or whether they did P2P. Crank just means it's shitty as fuck, somebody messsed up somewhere, used the wrong chemical or solvent, didn't wash it right, or just fucked up in general.

Good ice can be made with ephedrine or P2P, it's not a question of "what synthesis" rather "what synthesis they fucked up".

Also, in reference to the cocaine/crack analogy. Crack cocaine DOES NOT EQUAL freebase cocaine, true freebase cocaine is made with ammonia and diethyl ether, not baking soda and water.

You've got a lot of good knowledge. It's been years since I was um, well versed in synthesis. Now I'm wondering if calling lith-based product 'crank' and reserving the other terms only for phosphorous/(pseudo)/ephedra product is a west of the rockies thing. Esp. since I haven't seen any 'crank' at all since I moved.
Learn something every day.
There really ought to be a standardized, universal drug word dictionary. Ha.

 

[tricomb]

Perhaps! I really don't know about east coast shit, I'm on the west coast and a lot of people out here seem to prefer a more complex synthesis with a better end result than "shake and bake", which seems to be really popular in the south. P2P is also becoming more common on smaller scale production, as people discover they can make their own methylamine But it's pretty much all crystal, I have only seen crank, never actually done it myself. It looks gross.

Shake and bake is so much more dangerous cuz most people do it in a plastic soda bottle, instead of using proper labware.

Although I admit I've been very spoiled when it comes to ice, the worst product I've ever seen was my own lol, and it was still better than most "crank".

 

[jsnake]

Alright, got it now. Thanks heaps for clarifying for me. Just one more question, this is relevant globally right? Would it be the same deal in Australia rather than USA for example?