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Stimulants "Ice" question

LesFleursDuMal said:
It did leave me (hours later, mind you) wanting a bit more, but not enough to go buy it. I love stimulants, but I'm afraid they'll kill me eventually. Id rather use good ol' junk. );p--
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You don't realize until you do it, but it's quite funny how the inhibitions of say someone that says they'll only try gear once vanish once they want to tweak again. That's how it hits everyone. :P

Some people like to chill out. I like to chill up. I don't look down on heroin addicts, not even when I was just a pothead, just that drowsy downer shit ain't for me.

Typically from my experiences I've found that probably the main factor of the confusion among methamphetamine, crystal methamphetamine, 4-MAR and all that other shit is people designate a drug concept for each slang term.

Speed - In Aus if you're buying speed it'll probably be from some bikies, and it'll be a fine white powder, probably stomped to the shit from the cunts.
Meth - This is the shit that people rail and burn their noses with, I don't know a whole lot about it or what forms it's commonly found in because I haven't done very many times
Ice, Crystal, Gas, Gear - Smokable shards that have gone through the whole red phosphorus synthesis (sic?), typically if the crystals have been broken down quite small you can expect it to be cut as fuck

As far as the effects go, as someone who has been on Ritalin, and is now taking Concerta daily (essentially amphetamine) you could probably say that meth is more of a clarity-of-mind high, but the best way I can describe it is that meth is on a whole other plateau when compared to other amphetamines. It's in its own ball-park.
 
tricomb said:
Perhaps! I really don't know about east coast shit, I'm on the west coast and a lot of people out here seem to prefer a more complex synthesis with a better end result than "shake and bake", which seems to be really popular in the south. P2P is also becoming more common on smaller scale production, as people discover they can make their own methylamine ;) But it's pretty much all crystal, I have only seen crank, never actually done it myself. It looks gross.

Shake and bake is so much more dangerous cuz most people do it in a plastic soda bottle, instead of using proper labware.

Although I admit I've been very spoiled when it comes to ice, the worst product I've ever seen was my own lol, and it was still better than most "crank".
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Shake and bake worries me. I really wish people would stop thinking up more stupid and dangerous ways to do something that is inherently dangerous already.
Crank is gross, but I won't lie...I've done it. It'll do in a pinch.Barely. I'm from the west coast, and damn, do I miss it sometimes. I've been spoiled too and shit down here is ~almost~ bad enough to force a woman out of retirement. You'd be shocked what passes for 'fire'.8(
 
I hear ya, If I didn't stop I would be makin window pane quality, like desoxyn grade with the mentoring I recieved initally and but ended up backing out towards the end for other personal reasons, but I stopped breaking laws a long time ago.

Synthesis discussion is banned for a good reason on this site, we don't want the wrong people trying to follow a guide they lack the knowledge to translate into laymans terms, and have them blow up them and their family in the next room. If someone wanted to make methamphetamine, there are infinite resources available just a google search away, but I must say it's not worth it. If you haven't done anything similar in the past, or if you have NO chemistry knowledge, do not attempt it. And if you have more chemistry knowledge, like I do, don't do it either due to the obvious felonies involved.
 
Ice is just another name for crystal meth
speed refers to all amphetamines including meth & dex.

u CAN get meth that is more pure than crystal meth although it's unlikely. when it's crystallized it makes is over 0% pure
 
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Did you mean over 90% pure???? or 0%?

The meth I've only ever gotten is pharmaceutical grade pills or 97% pure dextro crystal meth. You could make window panes out of it. But if it rained you'd be fucked lol.
 
^^"Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house"... FUCK THAT, I'd be throwing my rocks all over and licking the windows n shit if I had enough A-grade shard to make a window out of. Yummy.
Well I had Melbourne in mind when I asked that, does it change between states or something?
 
snazzy_sn said:
Slang varies by location, but here in Texas methamphetamine freebase is referred to as ice, whereas regular methamphetamine is referred to as speed or crank.
The difference is like that of cocaine and crack.

Crank is much more uncommon that ice here

I started off doing crank and moved on to ice much later and at that point was smoking and shooting whereas I had only snorted crank so I can't really judge the difference although I think the rush from smoking/shooting ice is better whereas crank lasts much much longer and stays strong whereas ice makes you want to redose more often.

The consistency is much different. Ice tends to resemble... Well little (and if you're lucky) big crystals whereas crank is more like powdery and clumpy.
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How is "ice" crystals if you said it was methamphetamine freebase? Doesn't it have to bind with an acid like Hydrochloric acid to create crystals?
 
tricomb said:
Methamphetamine FREEBASE? that has to be an error. Crystals = the HCl salt.
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well, freebase might not be the correct terminology but i grew up with cooks and i was always under the impression that there were two different forms of methamphetamine.
"good speed/crank, that nasty ice shit"

down here, crank is highly sought after. might have something to do with it coming from low profile, home cooks from people who have been clandestine meth cooks for 30+ (these people are real, and they wear black cowboy hats and look like they have flesh eating bacteria on their face but rather nice physical builds) years who see their product as an art and try to keep it as pure as possible.

I know we're not supposed to talk about prices but crank, the powdery peanut butter colored stuff goes for like three times as much as shards.

Maybe we just have shitty crystal here in texas? From experience I know it's nothing like AZ or even NM.

Oh well, i've gone off on a tangent, i guess i've been misled.
 
What the fuck.... that sounds all backwards.... And I have experience of my own in the "kitchen" and also grew up with "chemists".

I've seen texan crystal, and AZ/NM crystal. Crystal is crystal is crystal, it's not crank. Crank is shitty, crystal is not.
 
snazzy_sn said:
Slang varies by location, but here in Texas methamphetamine freebase is referred to as ice, whereas regular methamphetamine is referred to as speed or crank.
The difference is like that of cocaine and crack.

Crank is much more uncommon that ice here

I started off doing crank and moved on to ice much later and at that point was smoking and shooting whereas I had only snorted crank so I can't really judge the difference although I think the rush from smoking/shooting ice is better whereas crank lasts much much longer and stays strong whereas ice makes you want to redose more often.

The consistency is much different. Ice tends to resemble... Well little (and if you're lucky) big crystals whereas crank is more like powdery and clumpy.
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Actually methamphetamine freebase is a volatile oil, just about all forms of methamphetamine are the HCl salt. It's not the same as cocaine/crack since methamphetamine is able to vaporized as a salt.
 
tricomb said:
What the fuck.... that sounds all backwards.... And I have experience of my own in the "kitchen" and also grew up with "chemists".

I've seen texan crystal, and AZ/NM crystal. Crystal is crystal is crystal, it's not crank. Crank is shitty, crystal is not.
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How bizarre. I wish illegal narcotics were regulated x.x
Almost every person I've talked to, who does lots of ice has a story about how they got this peanut butter crank or this bathtub crank and it was like the best shit ever. Maybe they're just ignorant? Maybe I'm just ignorant?

Nah, I think there's something to this.

Oh, and don't get me wrong. I'm not saying crystal is shitty. I love crystal. In fact, I worship crystal.
IMO there is nothing in the world greater than some great big shards.
I'm just thinking maybe when it's coming from say... Mexico it's gonna get stepped on a lot more whereas crank (which comes off the pyrex, not like powder, but not like shards), even if it isn't as good as crystal when coming straight from creation might seem better to people who haven't experienced high quality crystal due to the fact that it has to go through less people.

But now I'm trying to figure out the difference between the two. Chemical wise. Because crank isn't simply cut crystal, but results from a different manufacturing process.

I think some investigative reporting is in order.

C6541 said:
Actually methamphetamine freebase is a volatile oil, just about all forms of methamphetamine are the HCl salt. It's not the same as cocaine/crack since methamphetamine is able to vaporized as a salt.
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I've heard of this oil. Leftover oil. It's kind of like mythical and heard of it being injected, but have never actually witnessed it Sounds dangerous/deadly/awesome.



Also, on a completely unrelated note and in very very poor taste has anyone considered the humor in the fact that the abbreviation for the forum discussing the most dangerous chemicals is OD?
 
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Injecting methamphetamine freebase???? the oil? You do not inject methamphetamine freebase. Pretty much the only people who see methamphetamine freebase are chemists, and they work the magic to get it into HCl form.

I really wish I could go into more depth about this issue, but it is way too much involved with synthesis discussion, so please don't PM me either, if I won't go into it here in this thread, I won't get into it with you via PM.

And snazzy, this isn't directed at you, a lot of people ask me synthesis questions about methamp because I've got experience with it. I'm pretty sure I've already answered the crank vs crystal question in as most depth as I feel comfortable with this post:

tricomb said:
proud to say i've never done crank. Crank is what you get when you shake and bake and fuck it up, like if you don't do the first few steps right.

I can't get into it without touching on synthesis discussion. Sorry. Definitely you need to gas it though, in reference to the post above me. People who take short cuts end up with CRANK. ^Another thing, you don't need pseudo to make methamphetamine.

Crank doesn't refer to the synthesis used, it doesn't matter whether they did a Lithium/Ammonia reduction of Ephedrine, or whether they did P2P. Crank just means it's shitty as fuck, somebody messsed up somewhere, used the wrong chemical or solvent, didn't wash it right, or just fucked up in general.

Good ice can be made with ephedrine or P2P, it's not a question of "what synthesis" rather "what synthesis they fucked up".

Also, in reference to the cocaine/crack analogy. Crack cocaine DOES NOT EQUAL freebase cocaine, true freebase cocaine is made with ammonia and diethyl ether, not baking soda and water.
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Dear god, I feel like I was lied to. The people who started me on this path weren't even being honest about their product. In fact that were unashamadly lying about how pure it was and how they were skilled. I thought these people were good, honest people, but in reality they were just roping me in. A 16 year old kid in to the world of methamphetamine manufacture/addiction. I feel sick to my stomach. This is including my mother. Ha.
The only times I was allowed to actually be a part of the manufacturing process (when I was a minor, before everyone involved went to prison) was when it was shortened so I guess. I dunno You just blew my mind. Ha.
I guess that's a pretty good example of foreshadowing.
x.x
 
You gotta remember the delusions methamphetamine abuse induces, especially prolonged use.

And oh man, you get high just BEING around a meth lab. You have to wear goggles and a respirator for a reason, it's like walking into a room with a million chopped white onions.
 
i've been exposed to various meth labs since i was an infant. ha. i never noticed the fumes and whatnot until a stranger would come around and talk about how the air was making them sick to their stomach.

it wasn't till i was older that i'd start hanging around on purpose because i knew what was going on.

do you think it's possible i've been addicted my entire life?

I mean it wasn't constant exposure, a lot less when i was little but... weeeiiiird.
 
I don't think the vapors/byproducts of methamphetamine manufacture are inherently addictive, it's basically the same as inhalants, but so much worse.
 
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