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ice in melbourne

Since there's lots of "cue the usual..." and the cyclic nature of BL provides great comfort in the later hours...I'll add my usual ice thread doom mongering :)
It's real easy to tell what ice is...
fukking addictive!!
normal meth doesn't make you crave binges...you may think you binge now but an ice binge will move the binge goalposts out of the binge ball park and into Binge World in the BingePlex Binge-a-drome....on the Binge Coast.
Ice or Shabu has been around Asia for long enough wrapping heads inside out and turns most long term users into paranoia freaks.
When i lived in Hong Kong I loved the stuff but I was lucky enough to stop pretty quick...two friends weren't quite so lucky - both were good examples of what ice can do in a few shorts months.
Paranoia: Mark* would drive around at 100 miles an hour claiming we were being tailed by the cops, thought everyone was a cop, his house was bugged. He was even convinced his fiancee had found his precious ice stash, rehidden it in the same place and was then pretending that she hadn't found it. But he wasn't paranoid - he new it was all true.
Physical detoriation: Fiona* tried to escape to the UK but wasn't allowed on the plane cos they thought she had the plague or something, the ice had rotted her skin, hair, muscles, eyes so bad.
It was actually all quite matter of fact at the time but when you look back you think ...'nah, that was all pretty fukked up'.
* names not changed...no innocents to protect.
Better drag this back frm a stoned ramble...*heaves*..er...Yes,
Ice is powerful stuff...if you are a bluelighter than you have by definition an addictive nature...so give it some respect.
As I said, more of the usual, usual
 
The ice u are describing above sounds to me like crystallised very pure methylamphetamine.
(at least thats what is referred to generally as yaba and shabu, am i right?)
Obviously something very clean and very very potent will be more addictive than the run of the mill crud.
IMHO i doubt 4-MAR is anywhere as addictive as pure methamphetamine, simply because i dont think it releases dopamine in a similar manner. This site has had this discussion numerous times, and no real consensus has been reached but the one time i believed i had 4-MAR the effects werent the sort which would make me do anything in order to acquire it.
Phase: u are not wrong, i think the Xtreme tester could go a fair way to solving the entire nanna cant tell and amphetamine...thread. If it was more widely available we could actually truly get a meaningful statistical picture of the identity of the many types of "speed" throughout Australia.
 
Originally posted by tranquilo:
you may think you binge now but an ice binge will move the binge goalposts out of the binge ball park and into Binge World in the BingePlex Binge-a-drome....on the Binge Coast.

love it!! :D

Ice is powerful stuff...if you are a bluelighter than you have by definition an addictive nature...so give it some respect.

too true... Tranquilo, you rock!!
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Methamphetamine and 4-methylaminorex have come to share the street name 'ice'. Meth was once referred to as 'glass' as the crystals which comprised it were clear, and 4-mar was once known as 'ice' as it had an opaque finish.
As for test results, no ez test kit indicates on the packaging that it will react to 4-mar.
Biscuit - I agree. 4-mar stimulates & controls norepinephrine... Not the notoriously addicitive and often personality bending dopamine.
 
there is some hardcore meth/rockspeed in melbourne but none of it is ice. i havent seen ice in years in australia
 
saw ice mid last year. stuff i saw was crystal clear with a slight purple tinge through it. as to the affect, i only had a small rock and also had about 2 point of meth rocks, but felt like king of the world for about 1 to 2 hrs. as for my mate who had a fair bit, well he was so fucked as he was rockin away on top of the bar!!! so i think he felt like king of the world too. anyone who has any insight on this please go right ahead.
 
I've seen ice once only its rare though i.e I dont know the real right people.
It doesnt have the same omedown effect its a lot smoother.
My question is about "rock" speed and Ice (glass).
When you crush and cut up rock for lines it produces a lot of powder, more than you think the mass of the rock with create. Will ice do the same or is it less powder for crushed ice because of less impurities?
Is it alright to hi-jack threads and ask questions like this in them? I've just been figuring my questions arent worth a post so I say sometyhing on topic then ask a question of my own to ask that kinda matches the thread, is that alright?
 
Originally posted by simpledimple:
I've seen ice once only its rare though i.e I dont know the real right people.
'Nuff said ;)

It doesnt have the same omedown effect its a lot smoother.
My question is about "rock" speed and Ice (glass).
When you crush and cut up rock for lines it produces a lot of powder, more than you think the mass of the rock with create. Will ice do the same or is it less powder for crushed ice because of less impurities?
Remember that what you see as "rock" is often just very tightly compressed particles. Hence when you crush and cut it up, it seems to produce more powder as the space between particles is more obvious.
With ice, it really depends on what you mean by "ice". Are you talking about Shabu/CrystalMeth/4-MAR? I am no expert on this but from experience, good shabu should not give you powder but rather little shards and slivers at best. Or maybe I just did not try hard enough ;) . Then again, you would not be wanting to rail shabu anyway, but smoke it so it really does not matter. Someone with better theoretical knowledge would be able to fill you in more.

Is it alright to hi-jack threads and ask questions like this in them? I've just been figuring my questions arent worth a post so I say sometyhing on topic then ask a question of my own to ask that kinda matches the thread, is that alright?
It really depends on how anal the mods want to be ;) . Nah, you should be right. It is not all that off-topic.
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syke: silvers? Not if you use a heavy morter and pestle, the one you use to crush spices with :) I agree that when you do crush that little rock though the amount of powder you get is a lot :) - and it sparkles!
 
Doh! Should have used Ye Olde Portable Mortar n Pestle(tm) by HeavyStoneStuff Industries ;)
Shiny thingy going up nose results in nasal menstruation.
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Hmm I've seen tthis around Sydney.... its called shabu but... its a filipino variant.... i think it is actually very pure methamphetamine.. Ive smokes crystal meth and i smoke it ' chasing the dragon style ' ie i use a tiny flame and put it ona foil boat and use a foil straw to chase the crystal as it slides down and melts... the difference between crystal meth and shabu is crystal meth leaves residue and is usually a yellowy colour ( eww ) and tastes not very nice... crystal meth seemed to leave black resude where as shabu turned into liquid then evaporated with a very nice taste...its easy to know if this shit is jumped because it will have a foul taste and tend to burn instead of evaporate... and it IS VERY ADDICTIVE... as soona s u smoke it.. u instantly want to smoke more .. but the over dosage limit for most people is 10 grams and at an average price of 400$ a gram and 50$ per .1 .... most people cant afford to =)))) any one with moreinformation on this please post a message ... kthx bye
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hehehe thank you for the welcome... sorry bout that was kinda scattered must of missed that guideline part =))) my apologies
 
Smek, I strongly suggest u go back and edit your post before a mod does.
Please be aware of the "wider" audience and refrain from statements which may not be in the interests of harm minimisation (particularly your own)
That being said, welcome to BlueLight :)
 
ok this might sound like a dumb question but will 4-mar mix with ssri's? I know ssri's will mix with amphetamines. But i believe ice dont belong to the same family of chems.
 
Ok this might the wrong place to ask but i'm rushed, don't have much net time to play with. Is it ok to mix pills and crystal meth? More specifically (hopefully) MDMA and meth. Am planning a big one and don't want to get too messy...
 
Meth and MDMA are not specifically contraindicated (this means there's nothing really dangerous per se about mixing the two, in moderation)... however you must remember that you're mixing strong stimulants.
Ensure you drink at least half a bottle of water an hour if you're dancing a lot and sweating, sip as you feel thirsty. Mixing uppers can also leave you awake for a long time, as you'll not feel like sleeping due to the meth and the pill.
As a point of interest, it was postulated some time ago that increased levels of dopamine released by the use of meth/speed can contribute to additional neurotoxicity after MDMA use. There is a FAQ in our BL FAQ section about this.
BigTrancer :)
 
As 4-methylaminorex is considered to operate on 5HT neurons, and causes depletion of tryptophan hydroxylase, I would suggest caution if you are intending to use 4-MAR with SSRI’s. Using MDMA with regular SSRI use is discouraged and I would add further warning that this combination has not been researched – that I’m aware of anyway.
From Erowid
Administration of acute and multiple doses of 4-methylaminorex caused rapid (3-h) and long-term (7-day) declines in striatal tryptophan hydroxylase activity with few changes in other serotonergic parameters. The acute response by tryptophan hydroxylase to this drug was reversed by incubating the tissues in a reducing environment suggesting that 4-methylaminorex alters this enzyme through oxidative mechanisms. The 4-methylaminorex-induced long-term reduction in tryptophan hydroxylase activity might be due to neurotoxic action on serotonergic systems. In contrast, although a decline in striatal tyrosine hydroxylase occurred 3 h following a single dose of 4-methylaminorex, no changes in this enzyme were observed at 7 days after acute or multiple dosing with this drug. This result suggests that 4- methylaminorex is not neurotoxic to the dopaminergic neurons. Even though this amphetamine analog apparently does not have long-term effects on dopaminergic systems, it does appear to enhance substantially dopaminergic activity…
…In summary, 4- methylaminorex has significant impact on monoaminergic pathways. In general, its spectrum of effects on these systems is like that of the ring-substituted amphetamines, such as methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
Response of monoaminergic and neuropeptide systems to 4-methylaminorex:
There was no evidence for glucuronide or sulfate conjugation. These results suggest that the metabolic fate of 4-MAX is similar to that of the amphetamines in that it is eliminated primarily unchanged but undergoes some slight oxidative deamination and aromatic hydroxylation. Hydrolytic degradation back to the synthetic precursor can also occur.
Metabolism of 4-methylaminorex ('EU4EA') in the rat
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