ibogaine trip to stop using opiates

[djmadigon]

first off, i became friends with a guy who took inventory for corporate offices for alot of major pharmacies. he checked the books and made sure they had exactly what they should have. if they had less then they should, he would write up a report saying pills were missing. but if they had more, he would write that they had exactly what they should have and would pocket all the extras. you would think major pharmacies would keep could records, but weekly, he would hundreds and hundreds of oxy 80, 60, 40, 20, percs, hydros, dilaudids, xanax, you name it. he never knew where to get rid of these thousands of pills he had stockpiled, until he met me. before this i only dabbled. but due to having access to such huge quantities and him only wanting barely anyhting in return, i became a MONSTER addict. then he got fired and due to having to then pay full price, quickly went onto sniffing heroin, then of course onto the needle. that was even more of a downfall which led to outpatient rehabs and having to tell my family i needed help before i started a life of crime to support my habit. they were dissappointed and heartbroken, but were very supportive and got me the help i needed. suboxone therapy and meetings. i still hated life, having just substituted one daily habit for another. eventually i couldnt take it anymore and moved 2700 miles away to a small town in washington state from new jersey.

i had no access to anything and was clean for 2 years while out there, aside from smoking really good, really cheap pot once or twice a week. i thought i was well enough to move back to nj and within a few days was eating oxys then sniffing oxys then dope, then back to shooting dope within a few weeks. then back on suboxone, then hating myself again and trading the subs for kratom. it worked beautifully, but after trying to taper kratom, i started getting really bad anxiety, but the withdrawal wasnt anything compared to quitting dope or subs cold turkey. but then started taking xanax for a few weeks so i could taper kratom but afraid of getting addicted to benzos, stopped taking xanax and kratom, and went right back onto dope. then i remembered about reading about ibogaine......

so after much research i finally got a gram of 98% pure ibogaine hcl a few days ago and immediately started VERY LOW dose so i could taper down my dope. i just started super low dose of ibogaine yesterday, and already i only need half amount of dope i have been needing for last 2 years. so after 2 years clean, now 2 years using, im finally on my way to getting clean again. after a bit more research i realized i didnt order nearly enough hcl, so im doing low dose ibogaine so i can continue tapering dope until next week when i get a few more grams of ibogaine, but this time due to how expensive the hcl is, i had to purchase TA, or total alkaloid ibogaine. its only about 60% actual ibogaine alkaloids, and the remaining 40% is all the other alkaloids from the sacred root. so far so good with everything, but ill continue writing on this thread until i recieve the rest of my ibogaine and can finally do my full flood dose and be rid of my opiate addiction forever!

i havent listed any doses or the site i finally found to get my ibogaine from, due to bluelights rules, so i hope i havent broken any. im in no way looking for advice about ibogaine or dose info, or anything like that. but i ahve been reading trip report after trip report, all the same ones over and over for the last 2 weeks. i know that hcl is the best way to get free of addiction if one can afford it, but the TA works just as good, there is just a much longer recovery time as far as getting your energy back and appetite and sleep patterns back to normal then if i only took hcl. im writing this in hopes people that have real, actual experience with ibogaine can share with me how long it took for them to get their energy, appetite, and sleepless nights back to normal.

so to anyone with experience with ibogaine-

did you really find that TA was a much more 'spiritual' experience then just taking hcl?
were you really able to free yourself from addiction and to what drug?
was your ibogaine experience a positive or scary trip?
how long was it before your appetite and sleep got back to normal?
were you really able to 'reset' your bad habitsw and fill all your new found free time with better, healthier habits?
how long after your flood dose before you started getting cravings again, and had to take a small maintanance dose of ibogaine?
about how long did the maintance dose work to keep your withdrawal or cravings away?

im asking about your own personal experiences with this wonderful plant, but please, if any of these questions are against teh rules, please odnt answer or can a mod just erase the question that breaks the rules?

i know ibogaine is used to be free of alcohol, nicotine, opiates, crystal meth, cocaine and crack, pretty much most addictive drugs aside from benzos, thats why i stopped taking my xanax a few weeks ago so i wouldnt have to deal with any type of withdrawal during or after my ibogaine treatment. i am in no way asking for dosage info, where ot get it, prices, or anything else thats agianst the rules. i know what dose i am taking of both the hcl and TA, but i dont think im allowed to write that on here.im just trying to find out what to expect post ibogaine, since there isnt much info online about after the initial flood dose treatment. im at my wits end with being an addict again, and although i know i will be taking a small test dose, but much more then the low doses ive been taking to taper my current opiate intake. the small test dose is to ensure i wont have a negative reaction to the higher amount of ibogaine before i take full flood dose, but honestly i just want to take the flood dose and hope it works. cuz if it doesnt work or im allergic and cant take the full flood dose, im as good as dead anyway. i cant keep living like this, although i take full responsibility for my addiction and only blame myself, ibogaine is my last hope and pray that my iboga treatment will cure me, even if only for a short time, to get me over the hump of physical withdrawal symptoms so i can have a chance to stay clean and actually be the man my fiance deserves and finally get married and start a family. sorry this is so long, ive been an emotional wreck last few weeks, but ibogaine has given me hope at a real life again. any info anyone can give would be much appreciated and sorry if i broke any rules or posted this in wrong place, but ibogaine is a hallucinogen, so this shoul dbe the right forum. thanks in advance for info, and peace to everyone!

 

[Flickering]

Much to my disappointment, I have not yet had the chance to experience ibogaine, but I hope to at last within the next three weeks. I am not an addict, but I do suffer from periodic depression.

Due to the physical danger profile, ibogaine should really be a last resort. But you sound like many who come to the African vine; already at that last resort. However, another entheogen you might consider is ayahuasca, which has a similar reputation for helping people overcome addiction and other problems like depression. I took only a threshold dose of ayahuasca for the first time last weekend, and even that small experience has given me a nice new perspective on some problems in my life. I can easily imagine, and many people here can vouch for, its incredible healing power at proper doses.

If you are going ahead with your flood dose, make sure you have a full heart and liver check-up first. Look out especially for Long QT Syndrome on the ECG. Make sure that when the time comes, you've been off all opiates for 24 hours at the ABSOLUTE minimum. An alternative is to simply keep taking low doses while you yourself attempt to get off the Xanax etc., using the ibogaine only as a sort of guide.

From my time reading up on this and talking to people who've taken ibogaine, here are my answers to your questions. They will of course not be as good as from someone who's actually taken it, however there aren't many people even on Bluelight who have.

The differences between taking root bark, TA and pure ibogaine HCL are distinct but also depend on the person. Most find root bark to be more 'complete', but also far more rough.
Various estimates put the percentage of people who recover from their addictions for life at between 10-25%. Most relapse within six months, some within a few weeks, and a select few unfortunates leave the experience to find themselves just as addicted as when they started. I don't think this should be disheartening. Even 10% is better than most other approaches, and even a small time away from addiction is better than none. I believe the problem is that too many people approach ibogaine thinking it will HEAL them. That's not what it does. What it does is provide a window in their life so that they can do the healing themselves. It's an opportunity they don't get while they simply HAVE to have this drug two or three times a day. My advice: treat ibogaine as a chance for YOU to change your life, and treat the abolishment of cravings and withdrawals symptoms as a parting gift with which to make those changes possible. Again, I do not speak from experience with either ibogaine or addiction.

Most people find even high doses of ibogaine to be friendlier and less psychologically threatening than other psychedelics. However, it can still be extremely intense and relentlessly confronting. Whether it's positive or terrifying will tend to depend on how willing you are to face yourself. Either way, you can expect to go through a lot of unpleasantness both physically and mentally, so be ready.

Appetitie returns to normal after a few days. Sleep patterns can be weird for several months following. You may find you simply don't need to sleep as much. Personally, I feel tired and unwilling to face the day even on eight or nine hours' sleep, so I look forward to this effect.

The rest of your questions, I can't really answer.

Please PLEASE have a trusted and briefed trip sitter with you. You need to imagine yourself (in body at least) as an infant for up to 24 hours. You will be partly immobilised, but you can still really hurt yourself. It would suck to finally beat your addiction only to find you've impaled your arm or something and it needs to be amputated.

 

[Praline]

Ibogaine WILL cure your addiction..regen time after dosing about 24-48 hours..you'll feel like death warmed over, but mentally stable..the trip is very profound, oob's total visionary states etc, but not scary at all, just DEEP.
Ike ketamine, dxm and LSD all combined..

 

[cherries27]

I know it's an old thread but I actually made that comment to someone. I said that I think for a spiritual journey u wouldn't want a clinical setting however for addiction purposes because we have damaged our bodies so badly that I think it best to do hcl for addiction therapy. I just did my trip in Feb for addiction and I am so happy! Next tax season I will make a second trip for my psychological journey. I want to find out of I can take benzos to get thru the greys...anyone know if that's OK? I've read that xanax dependants have to be administered while undergoing treatment or seizures can occur. So if they can receive them during I don't see why we can't take them the next 3 days after our treatment. Correct me if I am wrong. But the Grey days are what's worrying me. I had a Grey week lol! I am still having a rough time sleeping now. Unisom has been my best friend. Let me know your thoughts. And my trip description is on here too!
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/721938-My-ibogaine-experience?p=12330320#post12330320

 

[perpetualdawn]

I'd love to hear some followup from the OP if he/she is anywhere around. 2 years later now, djmadigon did you manage to get clean, and did you manage to stay clean?

 

[Xorkoth]

Hi, welcome to Bluelight and the PD forum. As it happens, just exactly 2 weeks ago I took a flood dose of ibogaine to get off opiates, which I had been on for 9 of the last 10 years, and 3 years steady, high dose poppy tea which is hell to get off. My experience was successful, in a few days my trip report will be done and you can read it and discover in great detail what my trip was like. But I will say a bunch now too. I spent 1 week not on opiates before except a bit of kratom, for a week, I wanted to detox as much as possible before but I only could bring myself to start 1 week before instead of 2. Detoxing most of the way allowed me to more fully experience the ibogaine. I will say up front that taking a flood dose of ibogaine was the best thing I think I ever did, it really worked and it also led me to make other really positive changes in my life including working out and eating well. My mood has been wonderful ever since. As soon as I started coming up on the flood dose, and for days afterwards I felt ZERO withdrawal, the flood dose really does seem to remove your physical dependence. I did slip up because of a couple of reasons (not just out of the blue) in the few days after I took the ibogaine, and took a bit of kratom twice, and the withdrawals came back, but just like immediately when coming down from the kratom so I am nearly sure that if I hadn't I would have never felt withdrawal again.

What I I did was take 950mg of HCl and 500mg of TA. I do think the TA is essential to having a full experience. Pure HCL is supposedly pretty stimulating and can be kind of uncomfortable, but adding the TA made it so wonderful feeling, relaxing but not tired, calm and natural feeling. The flood dose was 1000 times more intense than anything else I have ever experienced, I have never been so transported in my life, or for so long (for 2 days I was utterly immobilized, for the first 12 hours I actually have only blackness for a memory, and on day 3 I started emerging but was out of it). However, there was NO fear, completely 0%, not even 1%. The effect it had on me was basically that I was fully dreaming very intensely whether awake or asleep. During a dream, or you could call it a vision, I was so utterly transported that there was no recoillection of being on ibogaine; I was just someone else, somewhere else. The dreams were just like real dreams in that sometimes they were pretty out there. WWhen my trip report is done I will have described all of them I can remember (which is a shitload of them), but I won't get into that here, suffice to say it was the most visionary experience I have ever had, and with no effort, it was just happening. On the 3rd day I emerged and this is where there is a lesson to be learned, I actually needed CONSTANT supervision for at least 3 days. I emailed my boss because I got in my head that I was supposed to be working (I had 2 more days off in reality but I thought it was 3 days later than it was because of how long I had been dreaming), which turned out fine, but I did tell him the truth, so it could have just as easily made me lose my job. So if you're thinking of doing a flood dose, you MUST have supervision for 3 days minimum. But anyway, then my friend who was my sitter came to get me and took me to spend the night at his house, and I hung out with a bunch of friends, but 2/3 of the time they and I were different people because I was dreaming, and I wasn't making much sense, or sometimes any sense at all. If I had been left at my house like that, who knows what could have happened. I thought I was pretty with it, but in reality I was dreaming half the time I was awake and reacting nonsensically. I would have almost surely been arrested if I went out into the world and into public myself, which I might have decided to do because I felt awesome and sociable and energetic.

So, a few days after this I took some baclofen for no real reason, just being a poly-drug addict, and I took too much and it made me feel so horrible, that I took some kratom. It made me feel better but the sparkle was gone from the ibogaine, and at night I started getting withdrawal restlessness and couldn't sleep so I took more kratom. The next day I was back in relatively minor but very real withdrawal (and seeing as how kratom was my opiate for the first 7 years, I get really unpleasant withdrawal very quickly from it), and I felt so low. I took a booster of ibogaine that night, 350mg equivalent, mostly of TA. I had one of the best trips of my life and for that night I felt wonderful and had many vision-dreams and also the best open eye visuals I have ever witnessed. In the morning I woke up still partly tripping for the first half of the day. After that the withdrawal came back and I became super sad about the state of my life, I cried a lot, I called my mom and cried. I missed my ex-wife (relatively recent split), I missed my family, I was INTENSELY regretful that I had taken the kratom and ruined my afterglow (because ibogaine has a wonderful afterglow from its metabolites, that lasts at least 1-2 weeks, and then many people experience a wonderful euphoria for months, if you really don't take any more opiates). I was in the shower and I looked down and noticed the damage I had done to myself through my addiction. I was underweight, my rubs were totally sticking out, my arms and legs were weak and skinny. It really freaked me out. But then all of a sudden it's like the whole ibogaine trip started to come together in my head, and I started feeling this realization that I had a responsibility to live in a way that allows me to become who I am supposed to be. I have to make the most of this life because it's an incredible thing that it even exists. And I started getting filled with this resolve. Ever since then, I have started working out every morning, eating a lot of food to get my body back to where it should be, and good, healthy, natural food too. And I love it. I can already lift twice as much as I could when I started, I'm in a way better shape, and even though I still feel a small percentage of withdrawals, it doesn't bother me. Every day I am super happy and I am done with opiates forever. And that's the super short version of my story.

Please feel free to ask me anything here about it. I think ibogaine is a great option for addiction, maybe the best. It really was a deeply transformative experience for me that I am still changing from. Real spiritual medicine. Also it was a great experience, one I really treasure in my memory and am getting a lot from writing about. And like I said, there was no room for fear (though I was scared as hell going into it!), except for one brief time when I thought I was supposed to be working, which would have been easily solved with a sitter. I had a good friend to help me through it, who had done it before in a flood dose for opiate addiction, so please use me as a resource for your own experience. Bottom line is, it did work for me. I am 100% confident that even though it's only been a short time since then, that I am changed and am going to keep doing the work to make my life what it can and should be, and doing so feels so wonderful and liberating and positive.

And you asked about how long til cravings were gone... I never had cravings except when I had introduced an element that really threw me off (the baclofen minor OD, and also one time on the 3rd day when I was not being watched and I had convinced myself I was missing work, I panicked so bad for about a half hour that I took some kratom to "avoid going insane, to come down". That's another reason a clinic is good, because you're in a place with support and no access to drugs for a while post-trip. But, it's not like I came out of it thinking about and craving opiates. So be wary, but I believe if I had been watched and if I hadn't randomly stupidly taken a drug I hadn't taken before and felt like shit from it, I wouldn't have taken opiates again and I would have never felt withdrawal again. But even now that it has come together and I learned my lesson, I have zero cravings, even though I still feel faint withdrawal. At no point since then have I even had a scary moment, I only considered it once and immediately just shut that down happily. It's kind of like magic, the effectiveness is amazing.

EDIT: I just realized the OP was in 2012. Well, I hope this helps someone.

 

[Xorkoth]

I know it's an old thread but I actually made that comment to someone. I said that I think for a spiritual journey u wouldn't want a clinical setting however for addiction purposes because we have damaged our bodies so badly that I think it best to do hcl for addiction therapy. I just did my trip in Feb for addiction and I am so happy! Next tax season I will make a second trip for my psychological journey. I want to find out of I can take benzos to get thru the greys...anyone know if that's OK? I've read that xanax dependants have to be administered while undergoing treatment or seizures can occur. So if they can receive them during I don't see why we can't take them the next 3 days after our treatment. Correct me if I am wrong. But the Grey days are what's worrying me. I had a Grey week lol! I am still having a rough time sleeping now. Unisom has been my best friend. Let me know your thoughts. And my trip description is on here too!
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/721938-My-ibogaine-experience?p=12330320#post12330320

Use a combination of HCl and TA for addiction, trust me. I have only done it that way but a friend has done it both ways (both for addiction), and he says the HCl is an incomplete experience that is kind of uncomfortable. But the TA or TA/HCl combo is wonderful feeling, relaxing, pleasant, and extremely transporting (see my larger post above). Also, we had a BP monitor attached to my wrist, but my blood pressure and heart rate never even raised appreciably. It was honestly relaxing and totally pleasant, it didn't feel dangerous at all. I wonder at how many death or adverse reaction reports are HCl only. I think the related alkaloids (there is one that it twice as strong but a stronger dissociative, and I believe probably others that counteract the pure HCl's stimulation, maybe including that one) contribute a great deal to the experience.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

I know it's an old thread but I actually made that comment to someone. I said that I think for a spiritual journey u wouldn't want a clinical setting however for addiction purposes because we have damaged our bodies so badly that I think it best to do hcl for addiction therapy. I just did my trip in Feb for addiction and I am so happy! Next tax season I will make a second trip for my psychological journey. I want to find out of I can take benzos to get thru the greys...anyone know if that's OK? I've read that xanax dependants have to be administered while undergoing treatment or seizures can occur. So if they can receive them during I don't see why we can't take them the next 3 days after our treatment. Correct me if I am wrong. But the Grey days are what's worrying me. I had a Grey week lol! I am still having a rough time sleeping now. Unisom has been my best friend. Let me know your thoughts. And my trip description is on here too!
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/721938-My-ibogaine-experience?p=12330320#post12330320

what does grey mean?, couldn't find what it means by googling.

 

[cherries27]

The Grey days after u trip. It's like the worst restlessness u can experience lol. Everyone's Grey day is different...but they r all Grey that is for sure! It's cuz u feel overwhelmed and tired at once. But it's strange when it goes away it literally gets clear!! Very hard to describe

 

[Xorkoth]

I felt comfortable the whole time, before and after. I keep saying it, but I think it's important. I think people should use SOME TA extract when they do ibogaine, it really makes it so much more complete and comfortable. I used mostly HCl and 500mg of TA... my dose was 950mg of HCl and that 500mg of TA, for a total of approximately 1100mg. It was utterly perfect.

 

[cherries27]

I think everyone's body chemistry is different also. I have certain issues where I can not take stimulants on a reg basis or I get mild restlessness even from caffeine. It didn't used to be that way for me tho. I will have to keep that in mind next time. I am planning a second trip next year. And maybe the TA breaks down slower so ur let down was milder...I'll have to do some research on it. Interesting to know either way. Was it ur first or second time?

 

[RhythmSpring]

Ibogaine WILL cure your addiction..regen time after dosing about 24-48 hours..you'll feel like death warmed over, but mentally stable..the trip is very profound, oob's total visionary states etc, but not scary at all, just DEEP.
Ike ketamine, dxm and LSD all combined..

Iboga, I have found is like ketamine, LSD, DOI, MDMA, Salvia and Ayahuasca combined. I would agree that it kind of is like everything in one.

But I would caution you against saying that it WILL cure your addiction. Rather, I would say that it gives you all the necessary tools with which you can win the fight against addiction, including taking away your cravings. But habit is a beast. Iboga will show you how to change your life, but it won't change your life for you. YOU are the one in power here.

 

[RhythmSpring]

The Grey days after u trip. It's like the worst restlessness u can experience lol. Everyone's Grey day is different...but they r all Grey that is for sure! It's cuz u feel overwhelmed and tired at once. But it's strange when it goes away it literally gets clear!! Very hard to describe

I think I know what you mean. For me, the Iboga experience is divided into 3 parts: The Dark period, the Light period, and the Emptiness period. The day or so following the bulk of the visionary experience is just... empty, neutrally so. It is a profound freedom of will, but some may perceive this spaciousness as drab. It could go either way, and you could be overwhelmed. But just know that it is freedom.

 

[cherries27]

I think my restlessness was so bad I didn't have time to feel empty lol. But bla is a good description. I had quite a lot of everything and nothing in my mind all at once lol. It's wierd to think that u get so much accomplished during that reflective process because u have to reflect during therapy (without ibogaine) and that reflection is so much less powerful. Strange and hard to understand unless u have undergone the process lol.