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Ibogaine for paws

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I suffer from chronic pain, I have learned how to live with my pain. I am still using tramadol daily at 350mg and diazepam 15mg I get some relief for those. I want to try whether is it possible for me to live my life without daily medications. The main problem is that it has been five months since I dropped lyrica, codeine, clonazepam etc witch I was taking daily for years. I halved my tramadol dose back then (was like 800mg/day) and have slowly been tapering diazepam.

Tramadol boosts my motivation, helps my anxiety, takes away my depression and helps for the pain. I had a plan which I was meant to change tramadol to buprenorphine or codeine and do a quick taper. Reason for this is that earlier when I have stopped long term tramadol use I have gotten bad anxiety and depression which have lasted long. For example I can switch from oxy (80mg/day) to tramadol (400mg/day) with virtually no withdrawals besides pain. But switching from tramadol to any other opioids has always resulted bad symptoms which are mainly mental,

I am starting to think that maybe I am addicted to tramadols antidepressant actions... I have heard a lots of ibogaine treatment which I am now truly trying to find out that could it be my thing. As I have understood I must first taper off of my current meds and go thru the acute withdrawal phase. In my country there are no ibogaine treatments, but I live in EU and other EU countries have these clinics. Has anyone here gone through the ibogaine treatment in EU? Of course any info from anyone who have tried ibogaine as a cure for addiction is more then welcome!

I am just dreaming? Is there something that should be known before even thinking this? Sorry, I am just so tired! Willpower is the only thing I got left and now I am afraid that I might lose that too!

Thanks!
Here is some background info.
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/730796-My-story-in-short-drugs-and-pain
 
I did an ibogaine flood dose for addiction a bit over 3 months ago, I did it at home which is a distinct possibility as long as you have constant supervision for 3 or more days (as the acute effects will last 3 days, and you'll be utterly unable to properly care for yourself). It did work for me, as if it was a miracle (and perhaps it was). Not only did it heal my mind of addiction to opiates, but it led to a realigning of other priorities as well, helping me to establish healthy patterns that have really enriched my life (specifically, eating well and working out, which have done so much for me). I also never experienced PAWS at all, I feel better than I ever have as an adult and maybe even ever in my life, due to the fact that I feel 100% good about myself now as well since I really did dig myself out of the hole I was in in a healthy way.

There are a lot of things to know, if you choose to go this way, feel free to PM me and we can discuss further. I had a friend who had done it mentor me through, and that was invaluable to me. In my opinion, one of the most important things to know is that the clinics generally insist you use pure ibogaine HCl only. However I think this is a mistake. Reports of discomfort, dangerous heart rate, stimulation and unclear experiences seem to come from pure HCl experiences. What I did was use 75% pure HCl, and 25% TA (total alkaloid) extract... well I used 25% of my total HCl dose as TA, as the TA has about 50% HCl by weight (roughly). This provided me with the full spectrum of alkaloids from the iboga plant, some of which are powerful and unique in their own right. Rather than be stimulated and uncomfortable, I felt great the whole time, it was very relaxing, I didn't even get a raised heart rate and I was super out of shape at the time. Also the experience was utterly transporting, I basically dreamed (visions in the form of dreams) for 3 days straight, whether awake or asleep. Though they seemed random and confusing at the time, by the end it all came together for me and I felt I had been taught a lot, and that something had fundamentally changed in me. I also felt AMAZING for a while afterwards which was a big help in the immediate transition to no opiates afterwards.

Also, you're right that you should get through acute withdrawal first. It's not necessary for all opiates but will make the experience more complete. Also, I hear ibogaine doesn't play well with many of the unnatural/weird opiates, including tramadol, and also suboxone and methadone. It's best to detox first, but if you can't, it's best to switch to a short half-life, full agonist opiate (hydrocodone, oxycodone, even heroin is better than suboxone). Don't try to take ibogaine while still addicted physically to tramadol. Actually kratom may be the best, aside from just detoxing. I detoxed from poppy tea for 1 week beforehand, with a few doses of kratom when I really needed them during that week. I felt maybe 10% of withdrawal still when I took the ibogaine and it was a great success still.

Here is the story I wrote about my experience, which was the wildest experience I have ever heard of anyone having, but I loved it so much. There's loads of information in here about taking ibogaine, and also about taking it at home: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/723353-Ibogaine-(flood-dose)-First-Time-Into-The-Flood
 
Thank you so much for your reply! I remembered that someone just wrote about it here and it was you. Its great to remember how one positive thing (in this case your post) can change your mindset from hopeless to hopeful. I will PM you about the subject after reading your experience. Answer if/when you have time. Time is all i have right now, so this is not something that just popped my mind. I thought this first about four years ago when i stopped without tapering all my meds and it was hell. It took me about a year to start healing. Due to the process i somehow managed to get my BBA degree. At the time it was the only thing that didn’t freak me out. I am hoping that this time i could get through it a bit easier!
 
Yeah I also contemplated ibogaine for years, not seriously until like 6 months ago. I had been addicted to opiates for 10 years and felt like I couldn't ever stop, I tried so many times, it was sad and terrifying. So glad I made it happen for myself. It was the most intense experience I have ever had but I did really love it, then again I love psychedelics. It's not really a classic psychedelic though, it completely overtakes your mind and there's no room for fear or doubt. It's not to be taken lightly but it's one of the best decisions I ever made.

And my report is super long, it's really more of a novella than a trip report. If you have time though, you should read it all.
 
I did ibogaine treatment in Mexico exactly 20 days ago to get off a 4 year suboxone problem, and I agree it is a miracle drug. I won't go into my trip, but lets just say I came out of it a new person, started doing old hobbies I totally forgot about, and just being happy to be alive and not needing an opiate to just get out of bed. It really feels like my brain was reset to before I did any drugs. I was tripping for about 20 hours and when I came out of it, I did feel a little sick from withdrawals however. This was due to how hard suboxone is to remove from your brain receptors and the doctor told me because of this I should be prepared for mild withdrawals after. But it was barely anything compared to actual withdrawals ( shitting your pants, puking your brains out, crushing depression and misery), I just had cold sweats and goosebumps and a little muscle ache but it was nothing because mentally I felt so alive and refreshed and was just happy to be there in that place. A little clonidine and tylenol worked for this. Any other opiate and I would have come out of it totally withdrawal free so you should be ok unless you have been on suboxone for a long time. I couldn't sleep for about 4 days after as well because my mind was just so mentally stimulated and I just kept introspecting and having revelations about my life and the possibilities. It was a crazy 7 days in Mexico, but its what it took to end my 10 year heroin/methadone/suboxone habit and I wish more people knew about it and had access to this miracle drug.
 
Also, prior to the ibogaine treatment, I had to switch to a shorter acting opiate for a month because of the suboxone, so I used heroin and methadone for a month and only heroin the week prior to the ibogaine treatment. I still feel the reason I felt mild withdrawals after my treatment was because of the damn suboxone and how hard it is to get it to remove from your receptors.
 
Thank you for sharing your experiences socalgg1551! I think that this is something I need to go through. I have read lots about it and it sure sounds promising. I have lots of codeine so I think that I would switch to that from tramadol. Now when I think were I was few years ago I can see that there has been meaning for all of this. Now I am more dependant on my medication where as few years ago I was abusing stronger opioids that I needed for controlling my pain. Everything is possible if you just believe yourself!
 
That's so true, everything and anything is possible. :)

And wow socalgg... 20 hours? I was tripping for 3 days, the first 2 days I couldn't even get out of bed (although unbeknownst to me at the time, my friend said I did get up and walked down the stairs to use the bathroom like 12 hours in, I thought I hadn't, he said it was the craziest walk he's ever seen). On the third day I thought I was mostly back but in fact I was dreaming while walking around most of the time, without even realizing, though I do remember the dreams... weird effect where I was unaware of my other states of mind except when I was in them, until later when it came flooding back). I also had a friend (unfortunately he is deceased now :() who did ibogaine and said it lasted about 16 hours for him in total. I guess individual metabolism plays a big role, either that or the fact that I took part of my dose as the total alkaloid extract (which contains other major components of the iboga plant as well as ibogaine HCl) increased the duration. Personally I'm glad it lasted so long because it felt amazing and beautiful and comfortable, and it allowed the process to be slower and more complete. Of course I only did it that once so I have nothing to compare it to.

I also have a good friend who did it his second time (for addiction both times, a year apart) and took only HCl the second time, and had a much rougher experience than when he also took TA extract, and was under for 4 days.
 
Well I would say the first 20 hours I was totally out of it and had no control over my body and couldn't even walk to the bathroom by myself. After that 20 hours I went into I guess what you could call the introspective part of ibogaine where I was milding tripping but more just thinking very deeply about life for about 3-4 days where no matter what I did I just could not sleep. I think I had the pure ibogaine HCI only.
 
Yeah if you went to a clinic then you almost surely had pure HCl... it seems the general thought by clinics is that pure HCl is best for addiction. I tend to disagree but obviously there is still a tremendous amount of success using pure HCl. I just feel, from anecdotal reports against my own experience, that pure HCl is not only more dangerous and physically taxing, but also less of a cohesive experience. My friend who has had both ways agrees very strongly. I guess I keep saying it in hopes that maybe the idea will spread.
 
I will say that the entire trip was very physically taxing and I know there were times when my heart rate was extremely high ( I was hooked up to an EKG machine the whole time and being monitored by nurses around the clock) when I was in my trip.
 
Okay your experience aligns with most reports then. In all honesty I felt so comfortable and relaxed the whole time, it felt like a really intense version of when you're drifting off to sleep and you just feel SO comfortable... or when you wake up halfway in the middle of the night and fall back to sleep. My heart rate didn't increase and I emerged feeling like a million bucks. Can I ask also, was the experience like dreaming to you? For me it was like visions that had the exact same character as dreams, I was basically dreaming for 3 days whether awake or asleep. My experience really was different from almost all of what I read, but to me seemed far superior. I have a feeling the other major alkaloids in the iboga plant make a tremendous difference to the experience. This furthers my belief that the adage of using pure HCl only for medical purposes is a fallacy.
 
Hey would love to discuss ibogaine with you as I'm thinking of doing it but have questions I've been on Subutex for 10 years and want off so badly
 
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