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I was talking to two of my black female friends . . .

L O V E L I F E

L O V E L I F E

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I was talking to two of my black female friends . . .

. . . and the subject of sex came up.

And BOTH of them said that in THEIR experience,

White guys actually give oral sex better than black guys do.

Which goes to show,

Maybe oral-sex is just like most other things,

And that perhaps, we're just willing to out-work them.
 
^ agreed. this is a departure from your usual approach ll. i'll cop to the fact that maybe i'm misinterpreting it but i thought you were better than "black guys are lazy" comedy.

alasdair
 
I thought it was really funny. I know sometimes racial comedy strikes the wrong nerve and therefore not everyone can laugh about it, but I see it more as a play on the stereotypes than an actual opinion. Not everyone in the crowd will be that way, but you know your crowds better than I do. I think for the most part, comedy is viewed in a pretty lenient way so I could see this joke flying well.

And alasdair... I think (though LL can tell you better than I can hah) that LL threw in the "most things" because we all know that black people are better at sports. Except hockey of course.

So that admission of inferiority is always a back up if the crowd gets riled by the racial overtones of the initial joke. :D
 
And,btw, the reason (imo) why good jokes are good, and not-so-good-jokes are not-so-good (imo, of course) has VERY little to do with the subject matter, and WAY more to do with the formula(s)/device(s) used.

As ryan alluded to, the audience has heard thousands of jokes in which "Once you go black . . ." etc., in which the whites are disparaged for one reason or another.

Hence, in THIS joke, the audiences (who have heard it so far) tend to be misdirected - they're NOT generally expecting the "white people are harder working than black guys" punchline - rather, they tend, ime, to be ready for some bullshit excuse, because they've heard so many "blacks are more talented than whites" at sex (PARTICULARLY SEX), sports, charisma, etc. - so in this case - the non-PC punchline actually surprises them.

In NYC, at least, where PC-ness is expected.

Good discussion.

Always happy to discuss comedy.

- LL
 
I don't think it helps people in the end to blow smoke up their ass. Seriously, it's not a great joke. I hear funnier adlibbed lines in casual conversations all the time.

Some of your jokes are clever but this one falls short.
 
TheDeceased said:

I don't think it helps people in the end to blow smoke up their ass. Seriously, it's not a great joke. I hear funnier adlibbed lines in casual conversations all the time.

Some of your jokes are clever but this one falls short.
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I never claimed that this is a GREAT joke.

It's not.

One of the best comics in the universe once told me that he writes approximately 20 jokes per good joke, and 20 good jokes per GREAT joke.

So just work-shopping here - I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks,

LL
 
I'm not really getting this, because I thought the stereotype was that Black guys didn't perform oral sex as often as white guys. And that some authors consider that this is because of slavery, when slaves were forced to perform oral sex on their masters. [I can't find a page that sets all this out, but Google Books search on african-american "oral sex" slavery turns up some extracts from books which discuss it].

Even in spite of that, I've gotta say it comes across as pretty bad taste.

ryanlaughlin said:
I thought it was really funny. I know sometimes racial comedy strikes the wrong nerve and therefore not everyone can laugh about it, but I see it more as a play on the stereotypes than an actual opinion.
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That's the excuse of every racist comedian though. No-one ever admits to actually holding the opinion, they all claim to be playing on stereotypes.
 
hey ll, i ask this question quite sincerely and in the interests of a constructive discussion.

what's the value to you as a comedian of trying out a joke here and, once the feedback is in, telling people who liked it that they know comedy and telling people who didn't like it that they just don't get it or they just don't know comedy?

alasdair
 
In my case, the thing about it that I thought was funny was exactly what LL was talking about, I was all ready for the "typical" punchline so the actual punchline caught me by surprise.

I VERY easily disassociate comedy from reality. I recognize it as a form of entertainment faaar before I recognize it as a form of truth so that's how I see it more as a play on the stereotypes. And it's not even just the black stereotype... it's also the white stereotypes, ie. the gullibility in believing that blacks are always better athletes/sexual partners/etc. (if that makes sense) It's all a case for case basis and one isn't always better than the other in anything. I think people pound these ideas into each others' heads for so long that people start believing them, comedy challenges those beliefs by forcing you to laugh at it's absurdity.

That's my perspective. And like I said, I know not everyone looks at it the same way and I understand that. I'm a white male, I wasn't forced to deal with racism growing up so it's more difficult for me to make that emotional connection.
 
Aw hell, I laughed. But then I always do. That's why LL stopped trying out new jokes on me years ago.

You got all the feedback you needed, right, Love of my Life? If the joke was a 10 out of 10, it probably wouldn't have sparked a debate on racism. Just a few "Man, that's wrong" comments. It's a lost cause anyhow. Everyone knows Jewish jokes are the best.
 
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