I was addicted to heroin for 7 years and it is no party trust me.Heroin isn't a social drug at all like E or coke.. That drug is evil. Yeah you feel great when you do it but trust and believe that it will come back and kick you in the ass. It made me do things that I would never have dreamed of doing in life just so I could get it and do it and it became the only thing I had a relationship with. AN I DON"T Care who you are you can get addicted and it will bring you to places that you swore you would never go. The person that posted above me is right you don't get physicaly addicted in one day ( or the first time ) but it effects the endorphines in your brain so it more or less becomes psycologicaly addicting right away. Just like when you have an orgasm you can't get the feeling out of your head well this is ten times the orgasm. An after you do it once you will never forget how it felt ( even if you throw up and get sick the first time , which most people do,but it still tricks your mind into thinking that you just want to have that rush that you got when you first injected it) and then you do it again some time and then again and so on and then one day it is all over. Your mind starts rationlizing why you should do it again the next day instead of maybe waiting a week or whatever and then you are addicted and that is your only goal in life to get and do your Heroin ( your new lover). I know that it may sound dramatic but it is soo true.. Not to mention that when you are on heroin you really don't care if you are around people and you really can't have what you would call a "good time"( even sex isn't great because most people can't have an orgasm because all of the receptors that connect in your brain to prouduce the orgasm are taken up by the heroin and the sensation of the orgasm can't get through) with others.. You are in your own world. It isn't like E or like acid and it is not even like coke ( ya know cause you want to talk up a storm on coke) it is a drug that only wants you to have a relationship with it and nothing or no one else.. I am telling you it is playing with fire. It really lies to you and you lose your self.. An I am not talking like in a free your mind type of way you lose everything everyone and the road that is traveled while your addicted isn't even a fun one while your on heroin. Yeah it feels good the first few times but you are always looking to get that same high you got that very first time and you can never find it again and most die trying to find it. Trust me in the world of drugs heroin is God and I don't mean the God in the sense that he makes you feel good and all that I mean God in the sense that IT HAS CONTROL OVER YOU .. Every part of you!!!Not to mention that the withdrawal from heroin in unreal. They say that you can't die from heroin withdrawl but trust and believe you want to . It is one of the worst feelings I have ever felt in my life.. Please think twice about getting involved with that shit.. Trust me I know that when you are growing up that you have to try things for yourself and you want to party and stuff because I did it all starting at 13 and I lost my whole teen years( and I am only 25 now and now at my age I have the emotional capability of a 15 year old ( although it is getting better now that I have been clean for a while from it but it sucks to have to go through it) because it keeps you in the same state of mind emotional and mental as when you first tried it and that is not a good thing ) because I had to chase heroin everyday. I am so glad to be alive now and I am not here posting against drugs because I was there before and I still kinda am because I still dab here and there with other things but please I am not telling you to go do drugs but choose your enemy carefully that is all I am saying..
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FordPrefect
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You're never gonna recover if you keep blaming the drug for your problems. Take some responsibility. Take all the responsibility. Heroin isn't God. It didnt' make you do anything. It's not evil. It's a chemical. For one reason or another you let your life get outta control and you used heroin as a vehicle.
Plenty of people, including myself, use heroin responsibly and never have a problem with the drug. I first did the drug maybe 5 years ago. Since then I've probbably used it a dozen times per year. Yes I IV it. I know what can happen if I get outtta control with it. So I dont get outta control. It's really that simple.
Plenty of people, including myself, use heroin responsibly and never have a problem with the drug. I first did the drug maybe 5 years ago. Since then I've probbably used it a dozen times per year. Yes I IV it. I know what can happen if I get outtta control with it. So I dont get outta control. It's really that simple.
OH MY GOD!!! YA know what you are to much. I am placing a message here. This post was meant in reply to another post but I guess I hit the wrong button. AN I don't blame heroin for anything. A fact is a fact that is how it takes over your mind. Heroin does control you like that if you have taken it you would know. I don't blame anyone or anything except myself for my drug problem I didn't post this message to bitch about my PAST problems it was to tell a girl in another post about what heroin did to me and yes if I wasn't on it then I would have never done some of the things I did but I am not blaming it. It comes along with the use of the drug.. You need to stop defending the drug like it is human that is an issue in it self...
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Don't get all worked up. I'm not at all trying to minimize what you went thru. I have nothing but respect for people who have been to hell and back with an addiction. I;ve been there a few times.
I stand by my words though. Heroin doesnt ruin people's lives. People ruin thier lives with heroin. I know the statistics. I also know that the statistics only report the hell stories like yours. There are no numbers that reflect stories like mine. Plenty of people use heroin responsibly and because it never becomes a problem we dont hear about them.
I stand by my words though. Heroin doesnt ruin people's lives. People ruin thier lives with heroin. I know the statistics. I also know that the statistics only report the hell stories like yours. There are no numbers that reflect stories like mine. Plenty of people use heroin responsibly and because it never becomes a problem we dont hear about them.
NiQu3LorD
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Firstly, Luv691, congratulations on quitting this hiddeous substance, you said you don't blame the drug but yourself. I think your being incredibly hard on yourself.
Ford, if your still using a physically addictive drug "responsibly" then your still in denial; simple.
I've seen first hand the damages this drug can do, a friend who used to be decent and generous turned into a person who wandered the streets and frequently asked people for money for "phone calls" and borrowed mobiles off decent people simply to run off and porn it in and take old friends for granted...ultimately in jail, dunno if he still is? but afterall who cares if he is or isnt, he's robbed all the friends he used to value and play basketball with and anyone that mattered, so no one cares about him.
heroin is a dirty drug, glad you've got nothing to do with it anymore luv, expell it fom your head, never go back mate, your a champ for throwing it away for the dirty shit it was and realising your far to good for it, and you are.
The other drugs are bad too but you'll sort things out, my advice is to go see a dr if your having any probs, tellhim aobut your pas probs and current use of drugs, he'll tell you the reality of things and he'll put you on an anti depressent if your aving any probs like depression or anxiety, or if you just not comfortable or having a hard time.
another bonus with an ssri anti depressent is that E won't work at all while your on them, and speed is dangerous and so would coke be, it'll help your get your life in order! itll take u back to the sorts of things you valued before your addictions.
Ford, if your still using a physically addictive drug "responsibly" then your still in denial; simple.
I've seen first hand the damages this drug can do, a friend who used to be decent and generous turned into a person who wandered the streets and frequently asked people for money for "phone calls" and borrowed mobiles off decent people simply to run off and porn it in and take old friends for granted...ultimately in jail, dunno if he still is? but afterall who cares if he is or isnt, he's robbed all the friends he used to value and play basketball with and anyone that mattered, so no one cares about him.
heroin is a dirty drug, glad you've got nothing to do with it anymore luv, expell it fom your head, never go back mate, your a champ for throwing it away for the dirty shit it was and realising your far to good for it, and you are.
The other drugs are bad too but you'll sort things out, my advice is to go see a dr if your having any probs, tellhim aobut your pas probs and current use of drugs, he'll tell you the reality of things and he'll put you on an anti depressent if your aving any probs like depression or anxiety, or if you just not comfortable or having a hard time.
another bonus with an ssri anti depressent is that E won't work at all while your on them, and speed is dangerous and so would coke be, it'll help your get your life in order! itll take u back to the sorts of things you valued before your addictions.
I can really see how the people who try to educate others about heroin use and people who ask simple questions get pissed off at all these anti-heroin posts.
NiQu3LorD,
I know the drug is "dirty" and I know first hand people that ARE DEAD, not still walking the streets. I still tried it and am glad I can come here for information about the drug and not have to learn from first hand experience. It's not that easy when every heroin thread is filled with posts like yours. Picture this. I use start to use heroin and everyone I know gives me shit when I tell them. I mean EVERYONE. But I'm an individual and am going to do what I'm going to do nonetheless. I have people in my life that don't even want to talk to me because I use it. So what do I do? I'm forced to lie about my drug use just to keep friendships. So fucking great, because my friends care about me so much, I CAN'T LET THEM WATCH MY BACK. What the fuck is that? I it is possible that the heroin stigma feeds heroin addiction. Just as drug laws feed crime. I advise anyone to be real fucking careful about picking up H and how additive it really is. And even though I know all these facts that would make anyone stay far, far away from H, I still use it. Go figure. Advise against the use of the drug, don’t come here with this holier than thou attitude and stories of your life that everyone has(the addict you know). Some people do not become full fledge addicts.
NiQu3LorD,
I know the drug is "dirty" and I know first hand people that ARE DEAD, not still walking the streets. I still tried it and am glad I can come here for information about the drug and not have to learn from first hand experience. It's not that easy when every heroin thread is filled with posts like yours. Picture this. I use start to use heroin and everyone I know gives me shit when I tell them. I mean EVERYONE. But I'm an individual and am going to do what I'm going to do nonetheless. I have people in my life that don't even want to talk to me because I use it. So what do I do? I'm forced to lie about my drug use just to keep friendships. So fucking great, because my friends care about me so much, I CAN'T LET THEM WATCH MY BACK. What the fuck is that? I it is possible that the heroin stigma feeds heroin addiction. Just as drug laws feed crime. I advise anyone to be real fucking careful about picking up H and how additive it really is. And even though I know all these facts that would make anyone stay far, far away from H, I still use it. Go figure. Advise against the use of the drug, don’t come here with this holier than thou attitude and stories of your life that everyone has(the addict you know). Some people do not become full fledge addicts.
a brother to my best girlfriend died of heroin, he was only 22years old, a healthy normal boy, good studies, great looks(model)... but still, heroin came into the picture.... his best friend felt it was his fault he died so he took his life with an overdose of heroin the week after... this is the two boys in our area that started doing heroin, but of them died at age of 21-22... heroin kills
most drugs makes reality more fun....
heroine is a tool used to escape from reality... heroine is for miserable people, normal people dont use heroine... if someone starts doing heroine its like knowing that youre starting an journey towards an early death..... even if you dont die you will probably have very big difficulties having a normal life....
heroine is a tool used to escape from reality... heroine is for miserable people, normal people dont use heroine... if someone starts doing heroine its like knowing that youre starting an journey towards an early death..... even if you dont die you will probably have very big difficulties having a normal life....
NiQu3LorD
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^^^Ill also add my brother in law died of heroin OD.
e_rep, But tell me where all this is going, tell me it's going in a positive direction ultimately - quitting.
You've already showed me that you understand heroin is dirty, and that you know people who have died from it. Tell me you don't believe this stuff you hear on here from people like PhreeX that opiates are alright, you understand that he's in denial too, don't ya?
They wanna be your friend...but you'll take all their shit. Fuck I wanna be your friend, but you'd probably steal my monitor...well the drug would.
Listen, you'll quit it when you fully appreciate the negativity which arises from it and that means losing the place you live or an OD or having a Dr explain to you your not gonna make it if you continue.
until then I think bluelight is an excellent place for you to find info like you said. But promise yourself that when it almost takes your life you go to get help or your gonna die silently and lonely.
Hell the kiddies on bluelight had me believing E and weed were relatively safe.
I'm on paxil for the depression/anxiety from E/speed.
I'm on blood pessure pills for weed and told if I don't quit I'm gonna get skitz.
I've quite weed the other day, don't plan on touching E in the foreseeable future. I APPRECIATE the damage they cause.
Gooedluck with your shit, we all have it, but don't be lied to...
[ 13 December 2001: Message edited by: NiQu3LorD ]
e_rep, But tell me where all this is going, tell me it's going in a positive direction ultimately - quitting.
You've already showed me that you understand heroin is dirty, and that you know people who have died from it. Tell me you don't believe this stuff you hear on here from people like PhreeX that opiates are alright, you understand that he's in denial too, don't ya?
They wanna be your friend...but you'll take all their shit. Fuck I wanna be your friend, but you'd probably steal my monitor...well the drug would.
Listen, you'll quit it when you fully appreciate the negativity which arises from it and that means losing the place you live or an OD or having a Dr explain to you your not gonna make it if you continue.
until then I think bluelight is an excellent place for you to find info like you said. But promise yourself that when it almost takes your life you go to get help or your gonna die silently and lonely.
Hell the kiddies on bluelight had me believing E and weed were relatively safe.
I'm on paxil for the depression/anxiety from E/speed.
I'm on blood pessure pills for weed and told if I don't quit I'm gonna get skitz.
I've quite weed the other day, don't plan on touching E in the foreseeable future. I APPRECIATE the damage they cause.
Gooedluck with your shit, we all have it, but don't be lied to...
[ 13 December 2001: Message edited by: NiQu3LorD ]
FordPrefect
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Ya know, this is a forum for discussions of drugs. You can blame your life's problems on weed and speed all you want. Do it somewhere else. If you had anythin remotely intelligent to say it would be a different story.
NiQu3LorD
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^^^I'm real offended fuckface. You call lies, and falsehoods intelligence?
Sorry, you get a null rating. i.e. your a dumb cunt.
Sorry, you get a null rating. i.e. your a dumb cunt.
i was addicted to heroin for almost 8 yrs. started smoking tar (i lived in nor cali at time)it when i was 19 and within a year, went through the whole nose drops thing and figured i could still quit...
well the day i threw a point in my arm, it was over.... i loved it, it really is the best "high" in life i thought.. now i find dimitra pisses all over it!!!
then i moved east in 96 and continued to slam 10 -15bags at a time, 3 times a day...so i lost my soul, stole from my folks, friends and even my non diesel using girl who i still have!!!! Thank GOd!!!!!
anyway, i went on methadone for about a year 90mgs of meth is nasty shit to kick, relapsed twice but are good now..
but just a warning heroin a is ":cool" but thats about all it is... also, it has so many impurities, you ruin your skin, if i needed iv for blood transfusion due to auto acciodent, which vein would they hit???? i have none left...
if you're going to mess with shit as fucking disgusting as heroin, DON'T BANG IT, I'M WARNING YOU.... THAT'S WHEN IT ALL GOES CRASHING DOWN AROUND YOU
!!!!!
1 other thing, most opiates originate in afghanistan and colombia, should one not assume karma comes along with drugs like coke and heroin??? maybe when i was using i didn't care but now that i live a fairly clean life(anything away from coke and heroin to me is pretty good) i realize the risks of death and incarceration are way more apparent than that warm fuzzy feeling i used to get for literally a few minutes... i mean i would risk 5 yrs of life, throw 15 bags in spoon, cook, draw and shoot it for what??????? maybe 3 minutews of a "so called" orgasm...???
anyway, thats it, to all who have found their soul and beaten this horrible thing called heroin, PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK, FOR NOW YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. YOU ARE IN TH 15% PERCENTILE!!!!!
well the day i threw a point in my arm, it was over.... i loved it, it really is the best "high" in life i thought.. now i find dimitra pisses all over it!!!
then i moved east in 96 and continued to slam 10 -15bags at a time, 3 times a day...so i lost my soul, stole from my folks, friends and even my non diesel using girl who i still have!!!! Thank GOd!!!!!
anyway, i went on methadone for about a year 90mgs of meth is nasty shit to kick, relapsed twice but are good now..
but just a warning heroin a is ":cool" but thats about all it is... also, it has so many impurities, you ruin your skin, if i needed iv for blood transfusion due to auto acciodent, which vein would they hit???? i have none left...
if you're going to mess with shit as fucking disgusting as heroin, DON'T BANG IT, I'M WARNING YOU.... THAT'S WHEN IT ALL GOES CRASHING DOWN AROUND YOU
!!!!!
1 other thing, most opiates originate in afghanistan and colombia, should one not assume karma comes along with drugs like coke and heroin??? maybe when i was using i didn't care but now that i live a fairly clean life(anything away from coke and heroin to me is pretty good) i realize the risks of death and incarceration are way more apparent than that warm fuzzy feeling i used to get for literally a few minutes... i mean i would risk 5 yrs of life, throw 15 bags in spoon, cook, draw and shoot it for what??????? maybe 3 minutews of a "so called" orgasm...???
anyway, thats it, to all who have found their soul and beaten this horrible thing called heroin, PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK, FOR NOW YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. YOU ARE IN TH 15% PERCENTILE!!!!!
NIqu if you let the stupid people in other forums convince you that E/speed isn't bad for your its your own fucking stupidity to blame. What kind of arguments did they give to convince you its okay?? "E can't be bad for you it feels so good etc.. etc.." While there may be questions about exactly how bad for you it is go out and read the research. There is plenty of evidence both E and speed are nuerotoxic.
Heroin, and in fact all the opiates except maybe some of the bizarre syntehtics with unfortunate metabolites, aren't nuerotoxic. Opiates have been used for 100s of years in medical practice with an incredible safety record. Used correctly in medicine there are few chronic (and by this I mean effects present after the patient has been taken off the opiate and overcome and sort of withdrawal) side effects.
Heroin, just like the morphine they give you in the hospital is not dirty, it is simply a chemical. It can be used responsibly. The incidence of addiction caused by hospital/medical use of opiates is amazingly small.
Of course this doesnt mean that recreational use is in any way safe or a good idea. It does however prove that it doesn't "take over your mind." Moreover there ARE verified reports of individuals (presumably here like Ford) who can maintain heroin chipping over a long period of time without becoming addicts (how frequently they chip is of course an important point).
I agree with your warning about thinking carefully. However, except for the troll previously posting most ppl here seem well aware of the fact that heroin can be horribly addicting and continually reminding them isn't going to change anything.
Heroin, and in fact all the opiates except maybe some of the bizarre syntehtics with unfortunate metabolites, aren't nuerotoxic. Opiates have been used for 100s of years in medical practice with an incredible safety record. Used correctly in medicine there are few chronic (and by this I mean effects present after the patient has been taken off the opiate and overcome and sort of withdrawal) side effects.
Heroin, just like the morphine they give you in the hospital is not dirty, it is simply a chemical. It can be used responsibly. The incidence of addiction caused by hospital/medical use of opiates is amazingly small.
Of course this doesnt mean that recreational use is in any way safe or a good idea. It does however prove that it doesn't "take over your mind." Moreover there ARE verified reports of individuals (presumably here like Ford) who can maintain heroin chipping over a long period of time without becoming addicts (how frequently they chip is of course an important point).
I agree with your warning about thinking carefully. However, except for the troll previously posting most ppl here seem well aware of the fact that heroin can be horribly addicting and continually reminding them isn't going to change anything.
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Your offended? I'm offended too. You dont know anything about me yet you claim that I am an addict in denial. Wtf is that? Like I said, I use heroin once a month and sometimes not even that often. I am far from physically dependent on it, and I am a perfect exaple to show that heroin can be used responsibly.
Of course street heroin is dirty didn't mean to imply it wasnt. This carries lots problems with it. However, as long as you aren't shooting absolute shit the impurities probably won't have much of an effect on very occasional use.
As most individuals before they do these drugs are not planning to become addicts, and in fact probably believe they won't become addicts, the dirtiness of street heroin really isn't an issue for them. The addicts are addicts and are going to shoot it if nothing else is availible no matter how dirty you tell them it is.
As most individuals before they do these drugs are not planning to become addicts, and in fact probably believe they won't become addicts, the dirtiness of street heroin really isn't an issue for them. The addicts are addicts and are going to shoot it if nothing else is availible no matter how dirty you tell them it is.
But tell me where all this is going, tell me it's going in a positive direction ultimately - quitting.
Where does any drug use go?
“Tell me you don't believe this stuff you hear on here from people like PhreeX that opiates are alright, “
Opiates don’t kill/steal the life of every user of them. They don’t. They are (heroin in particular) the most dangerous drugs in my book. Nothing is going to change that and I do not advocate it’s use. I don’t feel Phreex should either, but that is another thread.
“you understand that he's in denial too, don't ya? “
I don’t know that, neither do you, but I keep it as a possibility.
“but you'd probably steal my monitor”
You didn’t mean me did you? That would be insulting.
“Listen, you'll quit it when you fully appreciate the negativity which arises from it and that means losing the place you live or an OD or having a Dr explain to you your not gonna make it if you continue.”
Ok. You don’t know me and you’re making a very big generalization. Phrases such as “It’s possible” in front of statements like that allow the person that it is directed at to take what you say in consideration, rather than disregard it. I knew I was taking risk with my life when I started AND NEVER, EVER, EVER said it can’t happen to me. EVER.
”But promise yourself that when it almost takes your life you go to get help or your gonna die silently and lonely.”
I promised myself that I would get help far before that happens. I have friends that will help if I need it and I know it.
”Hell the kiddies on bluelight had me believing E and weed were relatively safe. “
They can be in moderation and a little knowledge. Nothing in this world has no recourse.
“Gooedluck with your shit, we all have it, but don't be lied to...”
I wont and I do appreciate the concern. Peace.
Where does any drug use go?
“Tell me you don't believe this stuff you hear on here from people like PhreeX that opiates are alright, “
Opiates don’t kill/steal the life of every user of them. They don’t. They are (heroin in particular) the most dangerous drugs in my book. Nothing is going to change that and I do not advocate it’s use. I don’t feel Phreex should either, but that is another thread.
“you understand that he's in denial too, don't ya? “
I don’t know that, neither do you, but I keep it as a possibility.
“but you'd probably steal my monitor”
You didn’t mean me did you? That would be insulting.
“Listen, you'll quit it when you fully appreciate the negativity which arises from it and that means losing the place you live or an OD or having a Dr explain to you your not gonna make it if you continue.”
Ok. You don’t know me and you’re making a very big generalization. Phrases such as “It’s possible” in front of statements like that allow the person that it is directed at to take what you say in consideration, rather than disregard it. I knew I was taking risk with my life when I started AND NEVER, EVER, EVER said it can’t happen to me. EVER.
”But promise yourself that when it almost takes your life you go to get help or your gonna die silently and lonely.”
I promised myself that I would get help far before that happens. I have friends that will help if I need it and I know it.
”Hell the kiddies on bluelight had me believing E and weed were relatively safe. “
They can be in moderation and a little knowledge. Nothing in this world has no recourse.
“Gooedluck with your shit, we all have it, but don't be lied to...”
I wont and I do appreciate the concern. Peace.
For a good cite to settle the issue. Dr. Robert B. Millman , director of drug abuse programs at New York Hospital-Payne Whitney Psychiatric Clinic says many ppl find they can experiment with it or use it on weekends without developing a compulsion to take it more frequently or in greater amounts. The source is
Treaster, J. B. "Executives secret struggle with heroin's powerful grip," The New York Times, 22 July 1992. (The title sounds like it is a contradiction of this point but you need to remember no one is making the claim that there aren't tons of ppl who are addicted etc.. merely that there is a non-insignificant part of the population who can use heroin without becoming addicts).
Treaster, J. B. "Executives secret struggle with heroin's powerful grip," The New York Times, 22 July 1992. (The title sounds like it is a contradiction of this point but you need to remember no one is making the claim that there aren't tons of ppl who are addicted etc.. merely that there is a non-insignificant part of the population who can use heroin without becoming addicts).
Aja909
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my honest reply as a user of about a year or so is this: the high isn't even all that great.. and yes it ruins your complexion and constipates you and so forth.. the addiction in my opinion is the ritual of shooting up.. I am still fighting the urges to waste my cash on some chemical the leaves me feeling empty