I want to try Heroin

[AphexTwin123]

I want to try heroin badly. I have tryed almost every other drug such as weed, coke, shrooms, LSD, Salvia...I want the ultimate high. But I am a smart user, I do limetless research before trying anything new.
So this question is for those who have tried Heroin, and those who know people who have. NO BULLSHIT. PLease do not respond with any media frazzled BS.
First off, is snorting a good "first time" way of doing it? Does it trigger the intense feelings of "nothingness" that I have associated with this drug? To feel nothing is my preconcieved notion of the perfect high...
Secondly, Can I die on my first shot or snort? This is all I am worried about. I know that new adventures come with a risk, but if I can dissolve some of these risks through education, I'll take all precatuion.
Addiction is not an issue, because I am having enough problems getting my hands on any, let alone a constant supply. If I become addicted after the first shot (something I'm not even sure is possible??), I'll have no way of getting my next.
Also, is the first time good? I have read many books and they all mention that you throw up and become very uncomfortable.
Anyway, any good advice is much appreciated. I passionatly want to do this drug.
TR-909

 

[SovietContin]

I want to try heroin badly. I have tryed almost every other drug such as weed, coke, shrooms, LSD, Salvia...I want the ultimate high.

Heroin is NOT the ultimate high. Not in my opinion anyways. I liked it.. a lot. But I was definantly disappointed. On the other hand I never injected it, but considering the quality of some of the stuff I was snorting (throwing up and hallucinating for 8+ hours passing out all over from just a small line), I doubt injecting it would impress me that much more.
You mentioned shrooms.. I've always thought that really really good potent shrooms gave you a better body feeling than heroin during those parts of the trip where you feel like you're going to pass out.

First off, is snorting a good "first time" way of doing it? Does it trigger the intense feelings of "nothingness" that I have associated with this drug? To feel nothing is my preconcieved notion of the perfect high...

You're not going to want to try to get the "nothingness" your first time. You want to figure out what you can handle first.
I would definantly recommend snorting it 2 or 3 times before injecting it so you get a feel for what it's about. It's not worth ODing for.
If you snort you can start low and keep doing more every 5 minutes and get where you want. Injecting it is quite a commitment. I have one friend who likes to over do it and will only shoot dope if he has crack. That way he can "get his heart going faster" if he thinks he's going to OD. Don't ask me. That's his thing and I think he's a moron for it.
And you don't feel nothing. Your vision gets small and somewhat tunneled and you just zone out with enormous pleasure. It's very similar to that scene in Trainspotting where the guy sinks below the carpet, because your body will definantly feel like it's sinking when you really get there. I always felt scared at that point, though.. reminded me of drowning. Still enjoyable none-the-less.

Secondly, Can I die on my first shot or snort? This is all I am worried about. I know that new adventures come with a risk, but if I can dissolve some of these risks through education, I'll take all precatuion.

You stand a much better chance dying with your first shot than your first snort. Unless you had really pure stuff or were doing a lot, it's unlikely in either case. It's not THAT easy to fatally OD. You'd be more likely to pass out and choke on your vomit. Much more likely. But definantly snorting is safer, because like I said, you have more control. You can also try smoking it as well. Smoke it like you would meth. Again, smoking and snorting give you much more control over the dose.

Addiction is not an issue, because I am having enough problems getting my hands on any, let alone a constant supply. If I become addicted after the first shot (something I'm not even sure is possible??), I'll have no way of getting my next.

Heh.. even if you could get it often, I wouldn't worry about it. It's not really the addiction itself that's bad, it'sthe physical withdrawals once you've really gotten into it. To me it was one of the least psychologically addicting drugs I've ever done asides from pot. Honestly I was more into it because I was tired of painkillers and wanted something harder. Then I didn't like the guys who supplied it, so I stopped to get away from them. Then I had a lot of opportunities again but decided I'd rather do painkillers instead of throwing up and dealing with shady people just to get high.

Also, is the first time good? I have read many books and they all mention that you throw up and become very uncomfortable.

I already had an opiate tolerance when I first did it. I was taking about 30mgs of oxycodone around that time when I got high off them. It took me 4 dubs to get off when my friend got sick off just one and he was doing this stuff daily for 2 months.
Either way, you're going to enjoy it even if you get sick. Infact if you don't get sick, you're probably not very high or you have a pretty high tolerance.

Anyway, any good advice is much appreciated. I passionatly want to do this drug.

That's exactly how I felt. Then I felt gypped the entire 4 month period I was using it frequently. I'm telling you, find really fresh potent cubensis.

 

[MizzWorld]

About snorting heroin, ive never tried it but my friend has, to what she says it wasnt very good. For your first time you have a better chance of dying if your going to shoot it. Also, its probably a lot of work for your first time since you dont know how much you need and you have to find a vein and make sure you inject it IN the vein and not poke the needle through the vein. As for snorting it i doubt that you can overdose the first time, unless you did LOTS and LOTS, and since you'll most likely get sick i doubt you would do that much.
THere is another way besides snorting and injecting it, you can smoke it. Though i find that its better to smoke it if u have the <i>right</i> kind. Another thing about smoking it is that you use less that if u were to snort it or inject it. Just take a piece of tin foil and smooth it out, put a little pile of it, probably about 3/4 cm around, then light it up and suck in the smoke with a dollar bill or straw and hold it for a while. You just have to do 3-4.
As for addiction, i doubt that you will get addicted to it.
As for the first time MOST people get sick, some dont, but those people are rare and usually they will have a time where they will get sick. For my first time i felt good for the first 10 minutes, things were moving, not like on acid but the whole room would just move and jump. I was starting to feel a little bit dizzy so i layed down. I layed there for a while and whenever i treid to sit up or stand up the dizziness was worse along with a headache and the feeling i needed to throw up. I did throw up my first time, lots of time, and i NEVER throw up. Before that i hadnt thrown up for about 10 years. The first time using it SUCKS, you feel like shit for the rest of the day and even the next morning you feel horrible. Well...have fun.
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[BeatJunky]

Herion is not just a kick. It's a heavy drug. I've seen many people get involved with it much deeper than they intended. I don't doubt that you are an "educated user" as far as drugs go. But to think you can just shoot up as you please and not face any consequences is unrealistic. I think if you're going to do it, snort it. Shooting it is something else altogether and you CAN GET ADDICTED after ONE SHOT, and you can most definitely die if you don't know what you're doing (quality-quantity) and often even if you think you do. If, as you say, you're looking for the "ultimate high" than you're already looking for trouble if you want to shoot up, because you'll want to do it again, and again. Think about it, if you find it is the ultimate high, would you stop after doing it just once? No, you wouldn't. And if you can get it once chances are you'll be able to find it again. If you're going to mess with this drug just snort it. You'll get the idea and it's really not worth the risks otherwise. Sincerely -BeatJunky

 

[blahblahblah]

"First off, is snorting a good "first time" way of doing it? Does it trigger the intense feelings of "nothingness" that I have associated with this drug? To feel nothing is my preconcieved notion of the perfect high..."
Thats the way i started snorting, supposing you have white/tan dope. If you have tar id maybee smoke it, you can snort it but it sucks. Yes when you snort good heroin, you well "nothingness" at least i did
"Secondly, Can I die on my first shot or snort? This is all I am worried about. I know that new adventures come with a risk, but if I can dissolve some of these risks through education, I'll take all precatuion."
Yes you absolutely can die your first time, dont do alot at first. You can always do more. If you IV's drugs before than maybee you can handle shooting dope your first time doing it, i would stick with snorting my first time
"Addiction is not an issue, because I am having enough problems getting my hands on any, let alone a constant supply. If I become addicted after the first shot (something I'm not even sure is possible??), I'll have no way of getting my next."
Well if you like it you WILL find a way to get more eventually, i have known very few ppl that just use H once, its very easy to get carried away...
"Also, is the first time good? I have read many books and they all mention that you throw up and become very uncomfortable."
Once you do that first shot/snort you probably puke and sweat but you feel so good it doesnt matter, and you will always be chasing trying to get as high as you did the first time but it won't happen.

 

[romancat]

Most people try it the first time by snorting it then slowly graduate to IV .
One of the best things in the world is the rush you get from china white but if you snort it you'll never feel it....
If you have used needles before; I'd say mainline it.
Of course you could die on your first attempt! what kind of question is that? Your body doesn't give a shit if it's your first or 200th time....
You cannot get addicted by doing heroin once.
I heard that some people don't like it, I still have to meet one though, if you don't like it just don't do it again.... I don't seee a problem here.
-cristina
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[Ronald]

Heroin may not be the what you thought it was going to be but there is a reason why it is the most profitable molecule in the world. Imagine the warmth that could be gotton from drinking malt whiskey in front of a warm open fire on a frosty winters day. You know that outside the weather is horrible and don't want to go outside. Imagine you're life decaying into a rotton corpse and having to go through cold turkey.

 

[PhreeX]

You can NOT get hooked after one shot, sorry, people who say shit like that either have "a friend who lost his life to heroin" or simply dont understand the dynamics of addiction....
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[Ronald]

Could you explain the 'dynamics of addiction' on this one PhreeX since you obviously have the experience. I understand that heroin is a very 'powerful' substance making the user dependant on taking it in order to feel content.

 

[SovietContin]

One of the best things in the world is the rush you get from china white but if you snort it you'll never feel it....

China White is fentanyl. I wouldn't screw with any street version of it. Remember all those people that were coming down with Parkinson's from bad batches that were MPTP?

 

[zApo]

im not gonna tell people not to do drugs here, but the one thing i do know for a fact about heroin is that it kills very nicely. Its a serious toxin for the body. It wont kill you after a certain ammount of use, but if you do become addicted to it and dont stop, in time, you will die. I have actually talked with doctors about this who have a pretty unbiased view toward drugs. One doc told me that addicts are found dead with needles still in their veins or near them, signifying that heroin does indeed kill. I also know that even the smallest opiate use will take years off your life, believe it or not. It is a serious strain on your body that is unlike any other substance. Heroin slowly kills and if addicts dont find help, death for them is iminent.

 

[its420time]

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[pinger]

Most herion overdoses occur in conjunction with other CNS depressants.
Alcohol I belive is indicated in over 85% of all fatal overdoses in Australia.
I cannot support the use of herion however, from seeing the lenghs that people will go to to get their next fix. From what I have read, intitially heroin can be maintainable recreationally. When the dose goes up, likewise the downsides increase. Then the sickness and withdrawl.
I have no doubt that some people can maintain a positive relationship with this drug, but not most people.

 

[Kinetic_E]

Uhh, and to think that I thought that opiates were safe. They are actually, they don't cause brain damage, and they dont cause a strain on the heart. Where's the damage!
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[blahblahblah]

"China White is fentanyl"
Completely false, thats your typical drug myth in action. I dont feel like arguing but China White was around long b4 Fentanyl was first synthasized (sp). I'll agree that alot of china is fent. But absolutely for sure there is good China out there i.e. HEROIN

 

[SovietContin]

Actually most of what I saw as "china white" was like 90% quanine(i'm probably being modest with this figure) being sold to ravers.
Then fentanyl was "synthetic".
Whatever. I wouldn't take anything by any name other than dope, smack, shiva, slut, h or raw.

 

[romancat]

Soviet Contin: I've been doing heroin since '84, The best china white I got was in thailand and Turkey ;they make it there, I really don't think it was fentanyl it wouldn't make sense: heroin is way too cheap there to sell fentanyl as heroin.

 

[Bry Guy]

i want to see some evidence that OPIATES are damaging to the body...i don't want to hear "oh, my father's doctor said HEROIN is bad for you, and will destroy your body"...fuck, doctors can't go around condoning the use of HARD DRUGS..of course doctors won't come out and say "HEROIN is actually not very toxic at all, in fact the only prob with it is addiction, so go shoot some up, and you will feel fine"....

 

[blahblahblah]

Soviet kid -
China White" is the term given (BEFORE fentanyl was even first synthesized in the Netherlands in the mid-1960s) to so-called "No. 4 heroin" refined in southeast Asia. And it is the queen of dope,
Alpha-methyl-fentanyl is the most common form of the fentanyl (which is distantly related to demerol) that has found it's way on the streets. And, yeah, it was touted by the losers who were dealing it as "China White," but that's as close as it came to the real thing. Definitely, there are plenty of folks selling Fentanyl as real China White, since most junkies haven't had china White, they can't tell the difference for sure..
Fentanyl - "heroin without the soul" No scratching, but no profound dreams either and it's pretty shortlasting. Plus it's so damned potent that if someone fucks up the cut, it's absurdly easy to take a hotshot. You usually know that there's a big batch of alpha-methyl-fentanyl on the street because you see news stories about big clusters of ODs. In my book, there's no real substitute for God's Own Medicine--and that ain't something that comes from a test tube but from the honest old poppy!
Fentanyl did NOT have the quality of Euphoria associated with China -- China White feels like Heroin, perfect Heroin...To me, Fentanyl felt like a very powerful synthetic imitation of China White, but the organic smack warmth was missing---This might sound blasphemous, but Fentanyl was like Heroin without a Soul.....I'm not sure if there's a Santa Claus, BUT there is a "China White"
And BRY dangers of Heroin itself arent to great, it is one of the safest drugs around. BUT what comes along with heroin is addiction, which can lead to Hep C, collaped veins, irregualar menstual cycles, reduced sex drive, overdose, death. Heroin is the safest drug and the most deadly
BE CAREFUL !

 

[Kinetic_E]

I think PhreeX should chime in on the lack of danger associated with heroin.
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