I want to trip with less hangover...

[girlygrrl]

I have had major depression for a few years now after some really bad shit happened to me in 2006 that I don't want to get into.

I have had nothing but problems with SSRI's so I won't take them, plus it bothers me that you can't just stop suddenly and not have major withdrawal symptoms and psychological problems from going "cold turkey".

When I discovered mephedrone I found it helped me a lot for its anti-depressant effects which I have found very beneficial towards getting off my ass and working towards fixing my problems instead of sitting around feeling depressed and unproductive.

Recently I've been able to get a hold of pure MDMA powder that I can weigh out and accurately dose.

I've found it to be incredibly therapeutic. Unlike mephedrone, it seems to help me psychologically to find the things within myself to make me happy and to help me focus on fixing the root problems in my life to find genuine happiness and cures for depression.

For example I have been feeling like I'm fat and ugly for awhile, but with mephedrone helping the depression I've been exercising a lot eating much healthier but haven't been paying attention to the weight loss. Then when I did MDMA recently I finally was willing/able to weigh myself and saw that I lost about 12 lbs over the course of the last six weeks just from being more careful about what I eat and more consistent with my exercise. For the first time in a few years I was going thru my closet and trying on clothes I hadn't worn in ages and actually feeling sexy for once, which I haven't in a very long time.

So while MDMA is very euphoric like mephedrone, it is is far more therapeutic, instead of just improving my mood it actually seems to unlock my brain to give me the ability to be my own therapist and look at things objectively but without the fear and guilt I generally feel when I think about those things.

It is like MDMA opens me up to allowing the possibility of being genuinely happy and feeling worthy and deserving of happiness. It's like it's giving me a shot of self-esteem instead of just a shot of anti-depressant.

The problem is that I find meph to be fairly low body load because I generally see it as a anti-depressant caffeine replacement rather than a drug to get stoned on. I find that it helps me focus and be happier but I generally don't find it tons of fun to try to roll on because it just is too ampy for that IMO.

But MDMA I love to roll on, just exhausts the hell out of me, I feel like for a day or two after doing it I can't function normally, and while it vastly improves my mental outlook it bothers me that it hits me so strong.

I'm just trying to figure out how to best dose it and have been researching pre and post supplements to see if there is something that can be done. I don't want to lose 2-3 days of productivity every time I need some introspection. I want to use it responsibly and respect it, but at the same time I genuinely need to conquer the depression and frankly it is way cheaper and more effective than going to a therapist.

So I just want to know what the best way to use it is so that I can benefit from its therapeutic properties while not spending tons of money on supplements and while not feeling so damn exhausted for a couple days afterwards.

I did buy some 5-HTP and am hoping I can figure out how to use that to stave off some of the effects.

I do think that me continuing to get in shape is helping considerably, I know I have been letting myself go for a long time and it seems like a lot of my exhaustion is related to being overweight, but I am working on it.

I feel like I have chronic fatigue or something which is amplified by stress/depression and that is mostly why I started using mephedrone in the first place. But I'm losing a lot of interest in meph now that I can get pure MDMA powder.

I just want to be as healthy as possible, but I notice my mental health has way more effect on my physical health than just about anything, and MDMA seems like the cure for the mental health issues I seem to have.

 

[toocoolforschool]

So here's what you do. you go to the store and get a a pair of brightly colored glasses with big lenses. you then aquire a sheet of diffraction grating film or some thing bigger than the glasses lenzes. then you cut it to the right shape and insert it where the lenses are. once you have done this you will have created a way to visualy "trip" the fuck out. now to change the feeling of your body i sugest a nice glass of kombucha and some good friends.

i havnt been able to find a suplier of diffraction grating film that would work for this yet but i haven't realy looked. if any one has any ideas or finds a place that sells large, flexible, cutable diffraction grating material please let me know.

but yeah i mephed my self out too kinda killed my brain. the only thing you can do is quit the white powders. at my peak i had 2.3 g in 48 hrs and some how survived to continue finishing off what was left when i was able to breathe again but yeah. i been sticking to kombucha and good friends. i seem to get "high" just from being around them though it took about 3-4 months for them to bring me back from the dead

moral of the story. you been trippin to often and lost the magic. you must remove magic from your life for a few months so that when you should feel happy you do.

 

[girlygrrl]

Hmm, I do have some AudioStrobe glasses packed away in a box somewhere. I kind of forgot that I had them, but they might be very interesting on some psychs, I think I tried them on dxm or shrooms before but it was a long time ago, never thought about it now that I have 2c-e but maybe with that (or some 2c-b or lsd that I've been working on obtaining but haven't tried yet) it would be way more visual and intense.

I haven't heard of diffraction glasses but I do remember when I was young playing with a kaleidoscope thing, and I have messed around with generating fractals and stuff.

I wouldn't say that I've really lost the magic on any drugs except for nitrous by itself (though still kicks my ass in combo with other stuff).

But when it took me a couple weeks longer than I wanted to acquire some pure mdma I ended up trying to roll on meph even though I generally don't see it as a drug to roll on. Meph has a lot of magic as an anti-depressant caffeine replacement, but it doesn't have much magic as a mdma replacement, and my attempts to replicate an mdma experience with it have been less than stellar. It still is very enjoyable though, but it doesn't have the same pull for me that it used to after dabbling with mdma a bit more.

 

[girlygrrl]

Okay so I rolled again last night with a strong focus on fixing the hangover.

10 mins before dosing I took a MV, 200mg alpha lipolic acid, 200mg 12-hour time-release 5-HTP, 1g vitamin C and a couple tums

I then mixed 115mg mdma with a bit of water and drank it like a shot.

About halfway through the roll I took 200mg ala, 1g vitamin C and tums

Then when I was ready to go to bed I took another MV, 200mg ALA, 200MG 5-HTP, 1g vitamin C.

I was going to take some sleeping pills but found that I was not amped up enough to need them. I went to bed before it felt like it was wearing off, and got a full night of deep sleep which is not at all what I'm used to after rolling.

Today I wake up feeling refreshed, definitely still have an afterglow but I don't feel all exhausted like I can't work or focus or wanna just sit around and watch tv like I've felt the last couple times I've rolled. It's really a huge night and day difference...I don't think I'll ever roll again without the pre and post load regiment, even though I hate swallowing all those pills.

 

[Noodle]

I used to dose with 5-HTP hours or days before a roll. You need to give it time to do what it does.

I would spread my dosing over the course of a day or more in 6 to 12 hour increments. I would only also dose 50 to 100 milligrams at a time.

For post roll I would do the same, sometimes dosing with 100 milligams right before deciding to sleep.

I had some luck with DLPA and Magnessium post roll as well. I would take those two suppliments after waking from the post-roll sleep.

Additionally, doing simple things like resting well beforehand and eating a good well balanced meal that included fresh fruits and vegetables really did seem to make a difference.

Rolling less frequently and during the day, so as not to interrupt my regular sleep cycle, also seemed to be easier on my body in the short and long term.











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[girlygrrl]

Thanks for the advice, what is DLPA though? I've not heard of it.

The 5-HTP I have is 100mg pills on a 12-hour time-release, which is why I dosed it the way I did. I have read conflicting info on how much to do so I figured 200mg TR right before and 200mg TR when I was ready to sleep would work well, and so far it seemed to.

I do need to pick up some magnesium too, although I experienced no jaw clenching on the last roll (MV had 100% daily value for it so maybe that helped).

I also think some green tea pills sound good. I wanna get some piracetam at some point too, but it was like $29 a bottle and I already had spent quite a bit on the other supplements.

It's crazy that I can get pure molly powder for cheaper than K or coke, but now that I have it I'm spending all this money on supplements which kinda negates the savings per dose.

I just want to stay safe and find my happiness, I feel like molly is a great therapist for helping me face problems without being so freaked out / anxious by them and also for helping me overcome trauma.

I have to wonder how much the mephedrone roll I had the night before last week's molly trip affected the hangover I was complaining about, meph and molly seem to have strange synergy. I like meph but my desire for it is very low since having access to molly and I think they are an awful combo.

 

[Noodle]

DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA) is marketed as a nutritional supplement for its supposed analgesic and antidepressant activities. The reputed analgesic activity of DL-phenylalanine may be explained by the possible blockage by D-phenylalanine of enkephalin degradation by the enzyme carboxypeptidase A.[5] The mechanism of DL-phenylalanine's supposed antidepressant activity may be accounted for by the precursor role of L-phenylalanine in the synthesis of the neurotransmitters, norepinephrine and dopamine. Elevated brain levels of norepinephrine and dopamine are thought to have an antidepressant effect. Following ingestion, D-Phenylalanine is absorbed from the small intestine and transported to the liver via the portal circulation. A small amount of D-phenylalanine appears to be converted to L-phenylalanine. D-Phenylalanine is distributed to the various tissues of the body via the systemic circulation. It appears to cross the blood-brain barrier less efficiently than L-phenylalanine, and so a small amount of an ingested dose of D-phenylalanine is not absorbed but excreted in the urine.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLPA

More information:

http://www.becomehappy.com/dlpa.htm





http://www.relieve-migraine-headache.com/dlpa.html

 

[toocoolforschool]

diffraction grating glasses create 8 rainbow lines eminating out radialy from the light, great for adding a splash of color to a night. and did i mention they have no hang over effects
but yeah, be care full with the multivitamin and dont go over board taking a bunch of pills you havnt researsched properly for short AND long term effects. i'm sure there's some thing that could go fuzzy if you keep doing that. and i've heard of people messing up thier seratonin receptors because they over took 5-htp and because the body had to work less to produce seratonin that when they stopped taking it they had a slight seratonin deficency which over time of abusing 5-htp built up.

 

[Noodle]

Yeah, I wouldn't take 5HTP or roll on a regular.

Moderating your dosing of the hard drugs and suppliments is important. It is also important to give your body time to recover and your psyche time to integrate the positive aspects of your trips.

 

[girlygrrl]

Don't worry I'm feeling way better emotionally after the last roll and will be spacing time between trips out a lot longer.