hiphophippy
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I want to go to hell.
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Bardeaux
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I grew up near Hell.
It froze over every 9 months
It froze over every 9 months
if in the event of my passing, i find myself naked before the big cheese, i will sure as fuck kneel and pray hard for all the bad shit i have done and good shit i hadn't. irrespective of your beliefs, what matters is that you recognise your failings. although some groups of people exploit the idea of sin in order to control others, it doesn't make the idea untrue.
the only way to really grow is to limit such failings. if you're living "guilt-free", you're doing it wrong. get that ego in check, cuz you're deluding yourself.
the only way to really grow is to limit such failings. if you're living "guilt-free", you're doing it wrong. get that ego in check, cuz you're deluding yourself.
captainballs
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If you believe that there is a God who is managing everything and allowing some things to happen while others don't, then it would be reasonable to assume also that he has to manage every creature, bacteria, tree, all the way down the line. While it may not be fun to have a disease, consider all of the bacteria that thrive on it. They deserve a Christmas bonus once in a while, too, and much like bonuses in the traditional sense this may involve some sort of wanton punishment to a third party. Fairness is an invented concept. Nature's cycle always has transcended fairness, and it always will.
hiphophippy
Bluelighter
And all that means is that you are subservient. Remind me to never go to war along with you.
In the case that it did happen I would decry him to his face for being a sadistic asshole.
I live a regretless life, I regret one thing in my past that is it. I do nothing I would regret in the future and do everything I might regret in the future. I stopped caring about me personally living a long time ago. The only reason I haven't killed myself is that I might server others. In case I'm mortally wounded or anything I've commanded my family to sign a do not resuscitate. If I had a terminal illness I would not seek treatment.
do you consider your position on life a good thing?
tbh, i don't question the why's of the world since it is not my place to understand such things. well, not to a degree where i can criticise any higher power. if there is a plan, there is a plan. why should i deserve any more or less than anything else? do you not consider that the existance of deformed babies is necessary for anything to exist? the very mechanism which allows us to form, that is mutation, works that way. mutations isn't mutations if it is only "good mutation" by your standards.
rebellion against a just authority is stupid. it's like a kid running away because their parent's refusing they eat only junk food. the parents are just in their authority to insist on a proper diet. it is for the child's own interests, even if they are not aware of them.
IF there is a plan, there is a plan. You should not criticise what you don't understand. Let alone rebell under some misguided egotistical delusion.
If there isn't a plan, then you're being angry at nothing, for no reason. Isn't that a waste of time and energy? Is it not an unpleasant place to be? You do that to yourself.
tbh, i don't question the why's of the world since it is not my place to understand such things. well, not to a degree where i can criticise any higher power. if there is a plan, there is a plan. why should i deserve any more or less than anything else? do you not consider that the existance of deformed babies is necessary for anything to exist? the very mechanism which allows us to form, that is mutation, works that way. mutations isn't mutations if it is only "good mutation" by your standards.
rebellion against a just authority is stupid. it's like a kid running away because their parent's refusing they eat only junk food. the parents are just in their authority to insist on a proper diet. it is for the child's own interests, even if they are not aware of them.
IF there is a plan, there is a plan. You should not criticise what you don't understand. Let alone rebell under some misguided egotistical delusion.
If there isn't a plan, then you're being angry at nothing, for no reason. Isn't that a waste of time and energy? Is it not an unpleasant place to be? You do that to yourself.
CoffeeDrinker
Bluelighter
Whenever I lay my head down, there's just bug shit in my face. We all came from bug shit, and we're all nothing but bug shit. The people we remember have managed to create a series of chemical reactions in our minds to make us feel larger than bug shit, but bug shit is larger than us all. Even larger than that is nothingness.
I like to write kind letters from time to time though. Maybe god will appreciate the poet in me and kill me in a lake one day.
I like to write kind letters from time to time though. Maybe god will appreciate the poet in me and kill me in a lake one day.
hiphophippy
Bluelighter
Ah, but the bug shit is composed of star matter.
I hope you enjoy hell. Thousands of degrees hot and not a drop of water. Trillions of years will go by and you will be no closer to getting out then the day you arrived. "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." - Revelation 20:10
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hiphophippy
Bluelighter
Yes; though I wouldn't advocate it to people en masse. To many people would take it as a command live without guilt and to not care about guilt or to throw caution to the wind.
As far as he has told us there are fundamental contraindications but continuing this would lead back the the god is imperfect argument.
Why not question the whys? as you state it at the moment you believe that its not your place. which against implies an embedded subservience. It wasn't Galileo's place to question the universe. It wasn't Newtons place to define gravity. In reference to my next point it wouldn't be our place to cure diseases either then.
I don't define things as good or bad. But there are obviously mutations that are both detraction and additions. If I did believe in the Abrahamic God then I would lament his giving children conditions that are serious detractors. Especially those that are non-treatable but non-lethal leading to a life of pain and suffering.
What god would make bacon then tell you not to eat it. But seriously if you would like tot take that stand point that officially means you are a supporter of sexism and homophobia to the point that you would agree that killing homosexuals and women(for many minor offenses) is an appropriate course of action.
IF there is a plan, there is a plan. You should not criticise what you don't understand. Let alone rebell under some misguided egotistical delusion.[/quote]
How is my position egotistical? I've led a mostly pleasant life. When considering the theoretical implications of the Abrahamic god I'm upset with the conditions of other people. Especially those that I know who are devoted followers of him and have hells of lives. I have zero grievances to god aside form those that are created by sympathy for my fellow person.
I'm not rebelling against it. haha. that implies some amount of actively going against it. I don't go and make decisions and then say wait the bible says to to do this I better do the opposite. I just stated a thought that I believed would prompt discussion. It doesn't upset me on a regular basis either. I hardly ever think about it. I'm definitely not angry about it.beyond when I'm confronting idiotic people who force their idiocy on the world I'm an extremely tranquil person. I get agitated on occasion. but rarely do I get angry.
Revelations was popular fiction, it is a bad joke. Apocalyptic writing was "in" at the time. Anyone and their brother that could write was spouting end of the world theories when revelations was written.
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clarification, i think there's a misunderstanding
IF (a big if, hence the caps
) God does exist, then I am, as a matter of fact, subservient to Him. There's no two ways about it, it's practically by definition. I owe my existence to this power, and this power is greater than my own.
Okay, then I'll rephrase. In order to have additions by mutation, then you must have detractions by mutation. IF mutation only worked one way, we would not exist. At least nothing like what we are.
Don't mistake ancient hygiene practices or prejudices confused with a higher power. Those vestigial beliefs are hardly relevant to modern society.
cool beans, more power to you, bro
the op sounded all angsty tbh, and that stuff about death was a bit concerning. i'm glad you're happy and this stuff doesn't really bother you all that much.
A natural law is not akin to a higher power such as what we're talking about. The pursuit of understanding is great, it is one of our great strengths as a species. What you're criticising is something a human can not possibly understand.
IF (a big if, hence the caps
) God does exist, then I am, as a matter of fact, subservient to Him. There's no two ways about it, it's practically by definition. I owe my existence to this power, and this power is greater than my own. Okay, then I'll rephrase. In order to have additions by mutation, then you must have detractions by mutation. IF mutation only worked one way, we would not exist. At least nothing like what we are.
Don't mistake ancient hygiene practices or prejudices confused with a higher power. Those vestigial beliefs are hardly relevant to modern society.
It is egotistical to think you are more than what you are. As above, if the higher power exists, it is greater than you.
cool beans, more power to you, bro
the op sounded all angsty tbh, and that stuff about death was a bit concerning. i'm glad you're happy and this stuff doesn't really bother you all that much.
hiphophippy
Bluelighter
After thought, L2R when trying to defame, discredit or otherwise dismantle someone in an argument over your conjectures of their opinion it is typically more effective to ask them questions while leading them to a pitfall rather than report your assumptions to which they are allowed an opportunity to craft a strategy for making their way out of the path of either appearing to or blatantly contradicting themselves.
hiphophippy
Bluelighter
clarification, i think there's a misunderstanding
It appears we are both arguing form hypothetical standpoints that seem to miss somewhere critical hahaha
A natural law is not akin to a higher power such as what we're talking about. The pursuit of understanding is great, it is one of our great strengths as a species. What you're criticising is something a human can not possibly understand. There are schools that challenge this belief somewhat. referring to a more abstract god. or even a Spinoza like god as some branches of Buddhism believe, then understanding this would be the key to becoming a buddha, enlightend, nirvana ect.
IF (a big if, hence the caps) God does exist, then I am, as a matter of fact, subservient to Him. There's no two ways about it, it's practically by definition. I owe my existence to this power, and this power is greater than my own.
By the same logic don't you owe yourself current existence as equally to the Australian government?
Okay, then I'll rephrase. In order to have additions by mutation, then you must have detractions by mutation. IF mutation only worked one way, we would not exist. At least nothing like what we are.
Now were both jumping between biblical shit and non biblical shit haha.
Don't mistake ancient hygiene practices or prejudices confused with a higher power. Those vestigial beliefs are hardly relevant to modern society.
why doesn't Halakha apply? Because it doesn't suit modern life? I think I could find some Jews who disagree. what about things like men not wearing head coverings and women always having to wear head coverings? How would that not be applicable to modern life?
It is egotistical to think you are more than what you are. As above, if the higher power exists, it is greater than you.
But if you state this you're probably making the assumption that God is just.yes? Just because he might be able to shoot fireballs from his eyelashes doesn't necessarily mean that he(assuming that god is male) isn't just addicted to drama and makes the world all horrible and dramatic to entertain himself. In which case I would (based on my established conjectures of the axioms of morality and goodness) view myself as a moraly better being.
cool beans, more power to you, bro
the op sounded all angsty tbh, and that stuff about death was a bit concerning. i'm glad you're happy and this stuff doesn't really bother you all that much.
I return to it ever now and again and apply new spiritual understandings and philosophies to it. I think we can agree it is definitely a rich topic
but yes I do try and make my titles and OP's at least a little inflammatory or whatever to evoke reactions.
It appears we are both arguing form hypothetical standpoints that seem to miss somewhere critical hahaha
A natural law is not akin to a higher power such as what we're talking about. The pursuit of understanding is great, it is one of our great strengths as a species. What you're criticising is something a human can not possibly understand. There are schools that challenge this belief somewhat. referring to a more abstract god. or even a Spinoza like god as some branches of Buddhism believe, then understanding this would be the key to becoming a buddha, enlightend, nirvana ect.
IF (a big if, hence the caps
) God does exist, then I am, as a matter of fact, subservient to Him. There's no two ways about it, it's practically by definition. I owe my existence to this power, and this power is greater than my own. By the same logic don't you owe yourself current existence as equally to the Australian government?
Okay, then I'll rephrase. In order to have additions by mutation, then you must have detractions by mutation. IF mutation only worked one way, we would not exist. At least nothing like what we are.
Now were both jumping between biblical shit and non biblical shit haha.
Don't mistake ancient hygiene practices or prejudices confused with a higher power. Those vestigial beliefs are hardly relevant to modern society.
why doesn't Halakha apply? Because it doesn't suit modern life? I think I could find some Jews who disagree. what about things like men not wearing head coverings and women always having to wear head coverings? How would that not be applicable to modern life?
It is egotistical to think you are more than what you are. As above, if the higher power exists, it is greater than you.
But if you state this you're probably making the assumption that God is just.yes? Just because he might be able to shoot fireballs from his eyelashes doesn't necessarily mean that he(assuming that god is male) isn't just addicted to drama and makes the world all horrible and dramatic to entertain himself. In which case I would (based on my established conjectures of the axioms of morality and goodness) view myself as a moraly better being.
cool beans, more power to you, bro
the op sounded all angsty tbh, and that stuff about death was a bit concerning. i'm glad you're happy and this stuff doesn't really bother you all that much.
I return to it ever now and again and apply new spiritual understandings and philosophies to it. I think we can agree it is definitely a rich topic
but yes I do try and make my titles and OP's at least a little inflammatory or whatever to evoke reactions.
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swilow
Bluelight Crew
Nihilism....?
post vague, pseudo-philosophical question? check!
invite responses? check!
post hissy fit when responses aren't as expected? check!
berate others for posting pseudo-philosophical content worthy of a first year college student? check!
post more pseudo-philosophical content worthy of a first year college student? check!
if hell is other people, hippyhoppy, then you're surely already there. and so are we...![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
alasdair
invite responses? check!
post hissy fit when responses aren't as expected? check!
berate others for posting pseudo-philosophical content worthy of a first year college student? check!
post more pseudo-philosophical content worthy of a first year college student? check!
if hell is other people, hippyhoppy, then you're surely already there. and so are we...
alasdair
panic in paradise
Bluelighter
^^lol^^
i said i was there, and i meant it, a good&solid direct-line to it i had...you are close HHH but it isnt other people, it is you.
"^^lol^^"
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it isnt BatMan, Its Atman, and Its Here To Say that You Got Robbed Like Robban
i said i was there, and i meant it, a good&solid direct-line to it i had...you are close HHH but it isnt other people, it is you.
"^^lol^^"
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it isnt BatMan, Its Atman, and Its Here To Say that You Got Robbed Like Robban
YellowPolkaDotHalo
Ex-Bluelighter
My understanding of the problem of evil is this:
God is Love and omnipotent.
There is evil.
God either doesn't exist, isn't omnipotent or is 'sadistic' or unloving..
I noticed you didn't mention free will as a theodicy at all. Eg we choose not to have God in our lives. God is all powerful but has allowed these things to happen as He has allowed us to live apart from Him as our own gods and authors of our lives.
It intrigues me how people, who choose not to have God in their lives, wonder where He is when they see evil in the world or in thier lives.8(
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Well (still in the Abrahamic mindset) Job had God in his life, and he still was confronted with great suffering, having his family and fortune taken away. "Evil" presents itself in the Dialogues more as a way to gain a more perfect knowledge about the world, the knowledge that man will always be incapable of fully understanding the world around him/man is not as important in the great scheme of things as we always like to think he is, for after all he wasn't there "from the creation of the world", man (Homo Sapiens) for 100,000 years for the world 4.5 billion.