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I want to give my parents MDMA (seriously)

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Don't do it, it IS at the end of the day an illegal drug with very debated health risks, I have a friend who had crippling depression for a week after his first roll, he is far from the only one.
 
I've had my mom ask me if I could get some MDMA for her a while ago.. While I do realize our parents seems very different (almost 10 years and my mom is somewhat of a new-age hippie, if that's any sensible description, and very open about all drugs), I'd very much like to roll with my mother sometime, I think we'd both like it alot. I've also spoken to a few people that have taken MDMA (and other things) together with their parents, so perhaps you're not all that crazy:)

That's not to say that I don't think MDMA could help your parents in some way. Of course, it's not a given that because MDMA is so wonderful, they'll be happy for the rest of their lives, but I'd at least ask them how they'd feel about it. Ever talked to your parents about MDMA (or any other drugs)?

Not sure if only one time would be "enough", though. As mentioned, I wouldn't use MDMA as a simple antidepressant, but I do think that with the right mind (and maybe some experience) MDMA can very much help someone resolve certain personal issues..
 
I would say bad idea because of the depression. MDMA can make things worse in that situation, and while there have been stories of people who claim their depression was cured by MDMA, I think it often leads to more depression and/or abuse because people then think of MDMA as a cure all and use more and more and the only time they feel happy is when they are on the drug. While that many not happen in your moms case, it's still unlikely she would be cured of depression by the experience. Unfortunately she needs to find something that makes her happy in life, you can't find it for her.

That said, I am very interested in extending the offer to my mother as well. My mom is the kind of person who has been drunk off 4 drinks twice in her life and just enjoys being sober. Growing up, our relationship suffered because our world views differed so greatly, and she was very nasty to me regarding my opinion about drugs in general. She is the kind of person who puts her fingers in her ears and says "la la la". She was very overbearing and I had to move away and establish myself as an individual and as an adult. I don't owe her any money and without the ability to hold anything like that over my head, our relationship dynamic began to change. Now, I can be myself around her and I openly talk about anything I want with her, where as before I was constantly editing myself to fit in to her mold of me. She has come to realize that I am responsible and I know her opinion on drugs has begun to change.

If I were to ask her though, I believe I would do it in email form, tell her how I feel about MDMA, why I think she would be interested in trying it, what the drug has done for me, and some general info about it. I would tell her that it would be completely up to her, that I would never want her to do something she wasn't comfortable with, and that if she ever decided she was interested, the offer would always stand.
 
I rolled with my dad for his first time ever in August! :)

It was a beautiful experience, but my dad is someone who has tried every psychedelic I can think of, among other drugs. It wasn't something I went in to with much nervousness- he's open minded about these things.

I resent people comparing MDMA to other drugs, for the sake of personal development. I consider moderate, responsible MDMA use to be highly therapeutic and necessary. I'm of the opinion that the world would be a better place if everyone got to have a real MDMA experience once in their life. MDMA has a long history of successfully helping people with anxiety disorders, PTSD (as of recent, it's being used for our military!), and depression.

That being said, I would somehow get them to read Confessions of a Middle Aged Ecstasy Eater http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/jul/14/books.guardianreview

If anything could be something to persuade a parent to try MDMA, it may be that! Beautiful read!

On another note, I know from my own experience that the first year I tried MDMA, I would literally fantasize about giving MDMA to everyone I know. I wanted to share this magical experience with the whole world, because I knew the whole world would thank me. I knew we could solve the world problems with MDMA, LOL! =) I still go out of my way to allow friends to roll for the first time, but I'm more relaxed about it now. Much more....my point is, consider that though MDMA may be very helpful to your parents, part of your desire may come from your own love of what it's given you, and not entirely about what they may need. Not everyone is open-minded enough to try it.

That said, I would introduce the article I gave you, and reffer to it as "MDMA", not ecstasy. I would also find points about MDMA use in "normal society"- for the treatment of psychological issues. Of course, giving MDMA to them should be done with 100% knowledge and consent. I've known a few people to be given MDMA without being told, and it's actually a very frightening experience during the come-up, to the point that they are too panicked to enjoy the "high" or "good part". Absolutely get consent- if you can't talk to them about it, then you may have to let it go.
 
EpicurusFire said:
Yes I know this sounds crazy. And it probably is...but hear me out.

My mom called me a couple months ago talking about how depressed she is. She is 49 and says she doesn't feel like she has anything left to enjoy in life. She also said she doesn't really have feelings for my dad anymore, but they would never divorce because it's against their beliefs. My parents are both very religious and conservative (dad's a sunday school teacher) and they are miserable. They believe anything that feels good is wrong and is of the "flesh", and that to be a moral person you have to deny the "flesh".

When she told me about her depression, call me crazy but I thought to myself "I really wish I could get her to try E". I thought it would really help her not only see the bright side of life but maybe reignite some sparks with my dad. This is the problem though...I'd need to get them both to take it.

My mom wouldn't be hard. She's already on anti-depressant scripts so I could just tell her I have something that would work better and she just needs to take it once. However, my dad would be difficult...and I really don't want to give it to her if he doesn't want to take it as well. It's something I think they need to take together to get a newfound appreciation of life and each other.

Anyways...yes i'm seriously talking about giving my parents E. Is this as crazy as it sounds in my head?
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Yours is a great post, I have thought the same things about people I have known and wondered if e would have gotten them to work through what they choose to bury and suppress in their minds. Not all, but most people I know who have been on anti-depressants also seem so devoid of joy to me. They are stuck somewhere between not being depressed and not feeling a thing--not being able to experience strong emotion (sadness or joy) must be like some kind of emotional purgatory.

If your mom is 49, than she may be going through some serious hormonal changes that can definitely impact her mood. I'm not sure taking e would be the answer....but what do I know?

I do agree that two people having problems w/ their relationship might benefit by taking e together and being able to open up with their partner as well as remember why they love each other in the first place. On the other hand, what if one partner on e gains the insight to share things their partner, also on e, may not be capable of hearing without getting upset?

Just food for thought, I have thought long and hard about the exact same thing.
 
ShitKebab said:
It was a medicine for a lot of mental disorders used in conjuction with therapy before it was used widely to increase enjoyment
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I have seen articles where MDMA experiments are being done for Post-Traumatic Stress in combat veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Test some pills to make sure you have a good batch before you give it to your parents.
Adults are more likely to have problems (heart problems or whatever) so look into that very carefully.
I'm sure taking your mom off of the anti-depressant medication for a few days won't actually be a big deal but I'd get her to talk to her doctor to see if it'd be okay if she was off it for a few days (maybe a week?).
I honestly think it sounds like a good idea.
I have heard lots of stories about people resolving issues and just bonding when they are on M. I feel closer to the people who I've been with when I have been on M than others (for the most part). It's an amazing shared experience, why shouldn't your parents experience it?
I think that a lot of these people are saying you are crazy because of their relationship with their parents. A lot of people don't have the right kind of relationship with their parents and they can't imagine that ever working. With my mom though, when she found out I have done M (we are very close), she was like "hypothetically, would you let your sister or me try it?" and I'm like "of course, if you wanted to try it, you might as well." If my parents would get over their opinion that M is a terrible thing, then I would consider having the family all use it together or something. But with my boyfriend, I know his parents would absolutely freak out if they knew. My parents, although they think it's bad, are fairly easygoing. His parents, not so much.
Make sure your mom has some 5-HTP or whatever that vitamin is when she's done. Because I know that I feel really depressed the day or two (or three) after and it sucks. It could just lead her back down the depression way. So make sure she's eating right and everything after.
Might as well try :)
 
llama112 said:
I'm sure taking your mom off of the anti-depressant medication for a few days won't actually be a big deal but I'd get her to talk to her doctor to see if it'd be okay if she was off it for a few days (maybe a week?).
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Its actually a massive deal.

You are obviously not using any anti depressants or you have never just stopped using them.

There are all sorts of problems that this creates, I know from first hand experience.

The anti depressants artificially or otherwise control and or stabilize your mood.

Without them it sky rockets down and then your body tries to slowly bring it back up but it takes a long time and in the meantime its muirder.

Then there are the terrible side effects that stopping some medications suddenly will cause such as unbearable brain zaps when stopping effexor for example.


Each is different but you should NEVER just stop using anti depressants.
 
MazDan said:
Its actually a massive deal.

You are obviously not using any anti depressants or you have never just stopped using them.

There are all sorts of problems that this creates, I know from first hand experience.

The anti depressants artificially or otherwise control and or stabilize your mood.

Without them it sky rockets down and then your body tries to slowly bring it back up but it takes a long time and in the meantime its muirder.

Then there are the terrible side effects that stopping some medications suddenly will cause such as unbearable brain zaps when stopping effexor for example.


Each is different but you should NEVER just stop using anti depressants.
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You're right, I have never been on them. That's why I think talking to her doctor would be best. He/she would have the best suggestion.
 
Talk to them about it and don't try to sugarcode it with the technical/scientific terms. While it may be possible it'll solve them problems I don't feel it's right to give someone drugs unknowingly. Sit down and explain what it is and what it does.
 
This has come up in discussion between my friends and I a few times. The experience is just amazing that why wouldn't you want others to experience it. I really want my twin brother to experience how it is and how over hyped the dangers are. People need educating. If the time came that he wanted to try it i'd be there with open arms to make sure he has a blast!
 
Well here it goes...I just sent my mom the following email:

"Mom,

I have what I feel could be a life-changing experience for you, and it could potentially at least temporarily but hopefully permanently alleviate your anxiety. Like I said, it is currently being utilized by the government in testing on soldiers with PTSD. It has an astounding 83% success rate after just one single dose, as opposed to the years of psychotherapy and anti-anxiety medication that has a very low success rate overall. I want this to at least for now stay between me and you only, but if you feel as though Dad can know then I trust your judgment. I'm going to give you a link describing the substance and then expand on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

Now before you start worrying, I want you to know that I am not a druggie. I have hardly done anything in my life, but I had such a profound, life-changing experience with this substance that I have a completely newfound positive outlook on life. In fact, while I was experiencing the drug, I couldn't stop thinking "Wow, I wish my parents and everyone in the world could experience this". I only did it once. And that's all it took.

The experience cannot be put into words...but I will try to sum it up as best I can. You feel the happiest you have ever felt in your life, and you are overflowing with love for everyone. Pure, genuine, unadulterated love. I experienced it at Bonnaroo and I felt connected to every single person at that festival. I sat by a fountain and talked to random people for hours and just felt connected to them. I felt like I understood them perfectly, and likewise they understood me. I had not a care in the world but just loving and appreciating everyone. I still keep in touch with many of those people today and in fact a few of them were the people I was going to visit in Buffalo over Thanksgiving.

Let me tell you that even though I am a very open-minded person and willing to try new things, I am very careful about what I put into my body. For this reason, I refuse to try most drugs. But when I researched this substance, I found that in moderation it is even more harmless than aspirin. Alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, and most prescription medications are much more harmful than this substance. This is not a substance that is simply taken for a "high" or a "buzz"...it is a very therapeutic experience like none other. Sure, it induces extreme euphoria which is why it tends to be used recreationally, but it also has very many medical and therapeutic benefits.

Now there is another aspect of your life where I really thought this experience could help. When you talked to me about how you don't really have as strong of feelings for Dad anymore, immediately this issue popped into my head. In the 1970's this drug was used in couples' therapy to help them connect to each other on another level and reignite sparks in their relationship. I am not saying that this will happen, but I do have strong feelings that if you and Dad were to experience this together, it would have a profound positive impact on your relationship. I cannot stress enough how incredible this experience is, and I would just hope that you would trust me in having your best interests at heart. If I were worried that this drug could harm you or produce a negative experience, I wouldn't be writing this email. I am so passionately convinced that you could benefit from this experience that I am asking you to trust me on this and keep an open mind.

Ideally, I would love for you and Dad to experience this together. However, I realize that getting Dad on board might be a little difficult. If you don't feel that Dad may be open to it, I would be happy to have the experience with you. Again, don't look at this as a "drug" like marijuana or heroin, but a medication like your anti-anxiety pills. In my mind i'm not trying to give you drugs, but swap out one medication for another that I feel will be more effective. I realize that in writing this email I am running the risk of you worrying about me using drugs. Please let me emphasize that I am not a druggie and drugs will never rule my life. I have a large amount of self control and a respect for my body and wouldn't even dream of doing most drugs...but this is one exception. And i'm glad I made that exception...and I hope you will too.

If you decide to be open-minded to this experience, make sure to stop taking your current meds as they diminish the experience. Your medication interacts with the same part of the brain that MDMA does, and this is the reason for the diminished effect. If you decide not to go through with this I will completely understand and will not pressure you about it at all. I just love you and want you to be happy.

Talk to you soon."

We'll see how this goes...
 
Good letter! I think you did a great job. Check out my earlier post with the link to that article written by a dad who does MDMA with his son- that may be a great thing to show her.

You have my support, and I hope it goes well.
 
EpicurusFire said:
Well here it goes...I just sent my mom the following email:

"Mom,

I have what I feel could be a life-changing experience for you, and it could potentially at least temporarily but hopefully permanently alleviate your anxiety. Like I said, it is currently being utilized by the government in testing on soldiers with PTSD. It has an astounding 83% success rate after just one single dose, as opposed to the years of psychotherapy and anti-anxiety medication that has a very low success rate overall. I want this to at least for now stay between me and you only, but if you feel as though Dad can know then I trust your judgment. I'm going to give you a link describing the substance and then expand on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

Now before you start worrying, I want you to know that I am not a druggie. I have hardly done anything in my life, but I had such a profound, life-changing experience with this substance that I have a completely newfound positive outlook on life. In fact, while I was experiencing the drug, I couldn't stop thinking "Wow, I wish my parents and everyone in the world could experience this". I only did it once. And that's all it took.

The experience cannot be put into words...but I will try to sum it up as best I can. You feel the happiest you have ever felt in your life, and you are overflowing with love for everyone. Pure, genuine, unadulterated love. I experienced it at Bonnaroo and I felt connected to every single person at that festival. I sat by a fountain and talked to random people for hours and just felt connected to them. I felt like I understood them perfectly, and likewise they understood me. I had not a care in the world but just loving and appreciating everyone. I still keep in touch with many of those people today and in fact a few of them were the people I was going to visit in Buffalo over Thanksgiving.

Let me tell you that even though I am a very open-minded person and willing to try new things, I am very careful about what I put into my body. For this reason, I refuse to try most drugs. But when I researched this substance, I found that in moderation it is even more harmless than aspirin. Alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, and most prescription medications are much more harmful than this substance. This is not a substance that is simply taken for a "high" or a "buzz"...it is a very therapeutic experience like none other. Sure, it induces extreme euphoria which is why it tends to be used recreationally, but it also has very many medical and therapeutic benefits.

Now there is another aspect of your life where I really thought this experience could help. When you talked to me about how you don't really have as strong of feelings for Dad anymore, immediately this issue popped into my head. In the 1970's this drug was used in couples' therapy to help them connect to each other on another level and reignite sparks in their relationship. I am not saying that this will happen, but I do have strong feelings that if you and Dad were to experience this together, it would have a profound positive impact on your relationship. I cannot stress enough how incredible this experience is, and I would just hope that you would trust me in having your best interests at heart. If I were worried that this drug could harm you or produce a negative experience, I wouldn't be writing this email. I am so passionately convinced that you could benefit from this experience that I am asking you to trust me on this and keep an open mind.

Ideally, I would love for you and Dad to experience this together. However, I realize that getting Dad on board might be a little difficult. If you don't feel that Dad may be open to it, I would be happy to have the experience with you. Again, don't look at this as a "drug" like marijuana or heroin, but a medication like your anti-anxiety pills. In my mind i'm not trying to give you drugs, but swap out one medication for another that I feel will be more effective. I realize that in writing this email I am running the risk of you worrying about me using drugs. Please let me emphasize that I am not a druggie and drugs will never rule my life. I have a large amount of self control and a respect for my body and wouldn't even dream of doing most drugs...but this is one exception. And i'm glad I made that exception...and I hope you will too.

If you decide to be open-minded to this experience, make sure to stop taking your current meds as they diminish the experience. Your medication interacts with the same part of the brain that MDMA does, and this is the reason for the diminished effect. If you decide not to go through with this I will completely understand and will not pressure you about it at all. I just love you and want you to be happy.

Talk to you soon."

We'll see how this goes...
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that is awesome. Ya I really want to know how it goes! That was a good letter. Post back soon!
 
IMO, Bad idea for 2 reasons.

A) It sounds like you have a decent relationship with your parents. Don't ruin it now.

B) Your mother is on anti-depressions prescribed by a doctor. You have no idea how that will interact will a roll, even if its pure mdma.
 
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