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I want to get Serotonin Syndrome

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What hatemongering? I dont hate you. I am simply telling you that no-one here wants to see you hurt and we are not going to sit idly by while you fuck yourself up. While you may get out of it ok, there is a BIG chance you wont.

It's tough love mate. Sometimes you have to get the shits with people for them to listen.



{Mods, if I'm out of line here, please tell me}
 
Xherrus: I don't think anyone here has the amount of knowledge on the exact effects in the detail you want, they would have to read it and learn it then answer your question. Why don't you research it yourself? Just use google and you will find all that you need to know.
 
Fair enough.

In fact the "hatemongering" I mentioned referred to those who came into this discussion screaming their heads off, so psycho they almost burst a testicle, just because I was diverging from the Holy Grail of "Harm Minimisation" in order to ascertain a few facts about drugs. You, Jimity, are being quite reasonable.

Anyway, can we clear up this discussion for good by resolving it? Who has tried MDMA + Aurorix (a.k.a. "Perma-Roll") and/or Zoloft? How good was the experience?
Would you call it the trip of a lifetime that lets you "travel back in time???" Am I wrong in wanting to get Serotonin Syndrome for a raging euphoric high?
 
Ripping at me! Bringing me down!!!

My God, what a fucked-up motherfucking Christmas. I feel worse than I would if Santa had sent me a fresh, steaming turd wrapped in tin-foil as a present, or if he'd masturbated into a jar and sent that as a dirty Christmas gift. All this antagonism, ripping at me, bringing me down.

I can't wait 'till New Year's Eve, which is probably when I'll get to try this combo.

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"And he was like, oh my God, you squirted jizzom on your pants? And I'm like, yeah, so what? And he goes, I can see the fresh jizzom stains on there. It's disgusting! And I'm all like, hey, man, step off my case already." - Donald Dog: The Play
 
Dude, either you are a troll, or you are severely misguided. Everybody i've talked to who has had serotinin syndrome has said that it is the most horrible experience of their life. Imagine throwing up every few minutes for hours on end, with a pain in your head that will not subside (may not ever subside). I've even heard people say they would rather be dead than have to go through it again. And what's with the angst dude? What you are suggesting is ridiculous and downright stupid, and you shouldn't expect people who know more about this than you to give you the green light, because it's fucking STUPID!

Don't do it, it's that simple.
 
where oh where is BT? he'd sort this mess right up.

and good on ya cowboy mac for doing ur best too. it seems to me this boy is beyond help and will become another one of those horror stories we read in the paper and say "tsk tsk" to.
 
You wanna know what it's like? Read this report by *=Regulator=*. It's not fun dude, if you want "one peak point of existance" go smoke DMT or something. But a "perma-roll" is definately not the way to go...

(i hope for your brain's sake that you decide against this, or it might be your name we see in the news about the next "ecstacy related death") :(
 
Xherrus - Just out of curiosity, have you ever experimented with psychedelics at all? Because I can guarentee you that you would be better off mentally and would probably obtain a much more significant experience from a psychedelic of some sort (LSD, Mushrooms, Salvia, DMT, even Nitrous oxide). You may be fucking with your sanity for a few hours, but it's better than fucking with your brain for keeps.
 
I dont think anything we can say will get through to this guy. All he seems to think is that we are trying to ruin his Christmas by not telling him how fantastic SS is.
 
gene pool shrinks

It's all your choice, but Xherrus, if you do decide to do this, please tape a sheet of paper to your chest that has exactly what you have taken and how much written on it. Then under that please tape a copy of your will etc and a letter stating that you did this because you wanted to...becuase if you lose your game of "russian roulette", it'll make the paramedics job a hell of a alot easier ;)
 
I'm all for helping people and not being judgemental.

This guy is a tool.

He sounds like he just wants to die. Being 'fit' and having a 'sound mind' doesn't mean shit, its like saying that you wouldn't go to sleep from a general anaesthetic because of your 'fitness' .

Seratonin syndrome isn't some sort of high, its a sickness. Its not being the most euphoric possible, its being mashed to the point of being unpleasent. The writing is on the wall little boy.
 
I guess the fact that he is asking in the first place rather than taking a handful of each chemical is a positive. Honestly Xherrus - there is a good chance you can die
 
:( I spend a large amount of my time trying to persuade the predominantly non-pill-using medical profession that the pill-using population is doing what they can to decrease the harm that could come to them from their own choice of tipple. I also try to provide what I can to in terms of advice and research time to further their cause. Alot of the time, like when they meet people like superbabydoc/cowboy mac/johnboy, they are pleasantly surprised about how sensible you all are... occasionally eccentric, sure, but by and large entertaining and well informed....
And then I read about people looking for 'serotoninin syndrome experience'.8( Now putting aside what is readily available in the medical literature about the seriousness of this condition (same mortality as diabetic ketoacidosis, and some forms of meninigitis etc), I guess we all have the right to seek our kicks one way or another. The caveat to that is that you have the rights to do what you want to do as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. What is being suggested is a form of chemical Russian Roulette- and I guess is one way to die, if that is what you want; I note the availabilty of psychiatric medication. But even if your intention is to just experience something new (memo to self: must try beating own head with crowbar for NYE) your intentions appear selfish. Knowingly pursuing an experience that really is more likely to end you up in hospital than not (no really, not a metaphor) you will be depriving someone else of an ambulance, someone else of a doctor, someone else of a hospital bed. Is this morally justifiable? You and your curiosity for something new, vs someone else who is ill or injured though no fault of their own, through the pursuit of another ticked box in the experience list?
You also need to be aware of the impact that this sort of ill-considered behaviour has on the Australain pill-using community. Thousands of hours of volunteers time are spent in providing services such as Enlighten and Bluelight, for which scant credit is given. It takes 10 minutes of idiot behaviour (pursuit of SS/necking 8 caps of GHB/ trying trepanning) to return all of their hard-earned respect back to "bloody druggies, don't deserve any medical care". If you have any respect for what these people say or do think very hard about the choices you make in the misguided belief that you have the 'right' to make them. It's because everyone else has rights that you have rights, and you would do well to remember it...
It seems to me that bluelight is a specialist forum for questions to which many people don't know the answer- I am skeptical about whether seeking out serotonin syndrome is one of those questions:\
 
Okay Xherrus, I'll answer your question.

I tried MDxx + Aurorix? That was before I knew what the combination was actually doing. For most of the 'extended' period, the feeling was nice, but it had its limits. But I'm not telling you something you don't already know, or haven't experienced. The limits are put in place to keep that which functions on some level a capacity to continue to function. I was very lucky to have a pleasant experience from my combination, unlike someone I saw die of serotonin syndrome.
It sounds like you are looking for something that is over-rated in its reports because going just that little bit further is not going to be any more enjoyable. You see, it's the same feeling when you are so close to that limit you are looking for, and then, inadvertantly you just go beyond it. It quickly becomes one of the biggest mistakes you make.
You can choose not to take the advice of the negative experiences before me. That's the great thing about our lives...the choice.
I can only give you my opinion, but doing this combination is not going be your 'holy grail'.
A fact for you...serotonin syndrome does not produce a raging euphoric high. So if that's what you're looking for, you will have to go on some other journey.
Another fact...aggression and opposition to your suggestion only comes from people who have first hand knowledge of exactly what you want to do. They are not deciding to disagree with you because they want a fucking debate! Stop trying to milk something out of something that doesn't exist!
The greatest mystery in the universe is our own brain. I'm sure everyone on this site has tested some of its limits to some extent, but if you refuse to ignore some of the science, I would question exactly what you're motives are.
If the purpose of your thread has been one of provacation, then you have succeeded, but you have also insulted in the process.
 
Do it! I'm sure when you die the average IQ level of the world will actually rise a fraction, you'll be doing humanity a favour... Tool. :p
 
Better reasoning required.....

Serotonin Syndrome is a condition affecting every area of the body. It usually results (but not always) from altering 2 or more 5HT regulation mechanisms. The condition is life threatening, and when attempted with phenethylamines, is known to be almost impossible to regulate, making it potentially more dangerous than the use of some tryptamines with MAO's.

Serotonin controls among other things


  • [*]neuronal inhibition
    [*]behavioral effects; sleep, feeding,thermoregulation, anxiety
    [*]Pre-synaptic inhibition
    [*]Cerebral vascoconstriction
    [*]behavioral; locomotion
    [*] Platelet aggregation
    [*]Smooth muscle contraction (gut, bronchi, etc)
    [*]Stomach contractions
    [*]Cerebral Spinal Fluid secretion
    [*]Vascoconstriction/Dilation
    [*]neuronal Excitation of autonomic and nociceptive neurons
    [*]Emesis
    [*]GI motility

Other functions of 5HT receptors 5,6 and 7 on CNS, GI tract and blood vessels are unknown.


Adapted from Pharmacology; Rang, Dale & Ritter 4th Ed, page 167


In view that any form of Serotonin Syndrome could easily prove fatal, this thread title offers nothing in terms of harm reduction.

Until Xherrus can prove his/her point that this practise isn't highly and unpredictably dangerous, this thread is closed.

PM me if you can come up with some more medically based arguments as to why such a practice should not be met with strong concerns from HR advocates; p_d
 
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