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I took Zopiclone and now the walls are breathing

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afer

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Okay, so long story short I had been taking 7.5 zopiclone daily for 2wks without issues just knock myself down after ethylphenidate/3,4,-CTMP.

Today I took 2 pills (15 mg combined) and unexpectedly realized I was hallucinating as fuck - the whole apartment is melting and most importantly the visuals are completely 3D, unlike the static mandalas of serotoninergic psychedelics.

I am intrigued is anyone has had similar experience and, most importantly, how is it mediated biochemically?

Meanwhile I'll double the dose and see what happens next provided I won't nod off..
 
Ha, Zopiclone can make you hallucinate like fuck.
I ended up seeing ghost people and little ants everywhere, strangely they didn't bother me as they were quite friendly.
What are you seeing now? =D
 
No idea how it happens but zolpidem and zopliclone are well-known to cause hallucinations at higher dosages if you stay awake, at least for some people. You seem pretty coherent, which somewhat surprises me. I wouldn't double it, if you must go higher I'd add one more 7.5mg pill. It will quickly start causing amnesia. And sometimes people will continue to operate, a classic mental but not physical blackout... dangerous stuff.

afer said:
I was hallucinating as fuck
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I love that phrase. =D
 
This is Ambien no?

I've done some silly things while konked out on Ambien. Calling random people in my phone is probably as bad as it got, but its like drinking too much. People telling you stories of things you did and you like "whaa?!"
 
StickyChron said:
This is Ambien no?

I've done some silly things while konked out on Ambien. Calling random people in my phone is probably as bad as it got, but its like drinking too much. People telling you stories of things you did and you like "whaa?!"
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Ambien is Zopidem, however Zolpiclone is very similar. Typical downer memory wipe syndrome i call it and the storys you always get told are so fucked up i get filled with shame! lol
 
afer said:
how is it mediated biochemically?
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***Actually I think I was wrong before, and Z-drugs bind to the BZD site (benzodiazepine receptor) located on GABAa receptors, just like benzo's do. From what I can tell it is not well explained why Z-drugs have such a large incidence of (perhaps technically hypnogogic) hallucinations and benzo's much less so.
 
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Never on Zoplicone, no. Just like a regular hypnotic benzo.

Zolpidem, YES. Toook 2 1/2 pill in the middle of the noon (no tolerance), and about 4 hours later I woke up with the house a mess. There were stuff that I'd dragged out everywhere. There were underwear shoved into glasses and bottles of water and juice.

Yea, me neither. I guess this is what you could call an embarrassing (and unusually mindless) black-out. Thank God I was alone.
 
So I ended up taking four 7.5 mg pills. On that dosage, some serious ataxia was noted, plus I (at last!) felt sleepy enough to drift off, which I did, regardless of my apartment resembling Salvador Dali' masterpiece. Slept for 10 hours and woke up feeling fine today.
I had been noticing some borderline visual distortions even after single (7.5 mg) Zolpidem pill - blankets "breathing", color amplification etc, but back then I had written it off as a placebo...

Interestingly, I did not feel "fucked up" (psychologically and physically impaired)....at least certainly not to the degree of disassociative-induced disability :)
 
Interesting... I once took two 7,5mg pills (my grandmother gave me all of her old pills, hehe), but noticed nothing more than sedation and amnesia. I'm gonna try with more someday. Or try to stay awake longer.

Zopiclone seems to be linked to cancer however. :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone#Carcinogenicity
 
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This cancer issue is most certainly only relevant if you indulge in these for years, I highly doubt that Z-drugs pose a substantial risk of malignancy if used recreationally once in a while.

On a side note, I've just stopped taking Zopiclone after 2 weeks of regular use and as for now I fall asleep easily, which is positive...frankly I was expecting a fair degree of withdrawal (insomnia), which did not occur.
 
I was originally prescribed Zopiclone before switching to Temazepam (the Zopiclone made have a metallic taste in my mouth the whole time I was on it). Anyways, I got my Zopiclone prescription the week before New Year's Eve (several years ago now). And at that party I was gifted with supposedly high quality LSD and MDMA- which got everybody else high as a kite except me. I was stone cold sober all night and pretty pissed that nothing ended up working for me. I pretty much chalked it up to the Zopiclone as it was the only strange factor in that situation. It seemed to kill any psychedelic action for me. Very weird that the OP got breathing walls on it.
 
I've got Zopiclone prescribed before i got liquid Diazepam, for both, problems with anxiety and sleeping in/trough (which i found way better than Zopiclone, which tends to give me a horrible hangover very often); but yeah, it was ok for sleeping in @ 7,5mgs, which was enough anytime, but is a nasty Medication if you don't use it as you should (=go to bed immediately)!
 
Hey i once tried Wellbutrin for Smoking Cessation.
Honestly i think it's because of my history with head trauma and drug use...
But Wellbutrin Makes me Hallucinate insanely. Like Geometric patterns and fields that rival dmt... just definitely not the same colors.
The Topography of my Carpet was obscene.
 
Xorkoth said:
You seem pretty coherent, which somewhat surprises me.
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I was always coherent when hallucinating on zolpidem. I often ended up chatting with people online and when I read those conversations later there was never any indication that I was not sober. Except for those moments when I described to them how each letter I typed seemed to have its own life and how beautifully they moved on the screen.
 
Ambien/Zolpidem definitely produced one of the most interesting hallucinogenic states I've had - with every other hallucinatory experience I've had its been easy to classify, i.e. stimulant psychosis -> delirium/deliriant style hallucinations, Ketamine -> dissociative, LSD etc -> Psychedelic, while Ambien seemed to have some aspects of all three types of hallucinations. Closed eyes I saw patterns akin to psychedelics and also had the perception of floating/sliding in a direction like I do eyes closed on dissociatives - but I also had realistic open eye hallucinations akin to deliriants and stimulant psychosis, albeit unlike psychosis/delirium as far as I know I could always tell what wasn't real, weird combination I've got to say.

Never tried Zopiclone but Z-drugs all seem to be similar in this respect.
 
The one time I took ambien, I took 2 7.5 mgs, and fell asleep watching the Boomerang network. I was definitely feeling really trippy. Unfortunately it knocked me out, but I was really enjoying watching Boomerang. Old cartoons + psychedelics is a great combination. I know it's a totally different class of drugs, but lorazepam has definitely given me so extremely trippy nights. Even at times when I've taken it to end a trip, it often intensifies the visuals. Usually, when I smoke bud while on it, I can't feel the bud at all, but there have been rare times where it simply gets me fucked up and gives me some crazy visuals. I have been prescribed 60 2 mgs a month for the past couple years. I hate the stuff, and try not to take it. Weird drug.
 
Interesting how you mention Lorazepam, I've seen that mentioned a fair bit when it comes to visuals, and a friend of mine has effects similar to ambien with it - I never noticed any such effects personally the one or two times I tried it or the very structurally close Diclazepam - but wonder exactly what causes this and why it's relatively rare with benzos and only really seen with a few, while so common with Z-drugs.

Also forgot to address the post before but Ballz_Trippington, you mention Zopiclone killing psychedelic effects, well that doesn't seem abnormal, benzos and Z-drugs are commonly used to lessen anxiety and intensity in the case of "bad trips", GABAergics in general including qualones, alcohol, GHB, GBL etc are also good for this. That said, Z-drugs in particular are capable of causing hallucinations on their own, so while they might weaken the effects of a psychedelic, higher doses can cause the weird unique Z-drug hallucinatory experience that they have.
 
Maybe this is why:

Hallucinations have not only been reported for selective gabaa ligands such as zolpidem or zaleplon, but also for the non-selective benzodiazepines midazolam, diazepam and triazolam [9,10] and in
about 1.3% of patients receiving intravenous diazepam [10]. All these drugs have a rapid absorption, which is in line with the suggestion by Ansseau et al. that psychotomimetic reactions with hypnotics depend more on the pk (this probably means pharmacokinetic)-profile of the drug than on its specific receptor selectivity [4].
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. It could be hypothesized that rapid gabaergic activation leads to an inhomogeneity of different aspects of sleep onset, in which dream-like states occur before sleep has actually ensued
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Drugs with a slower absorption or onset of action would cause a more gradual and more balanced development of different gabaergic effects, including the ones that cause sleep and hence obscure other (psychomimetic) effects. Although compatible with our observations, this remains speculative, since the different components of sleep induction and their concentration- or rate-dependence have not been studied systematically for α1-specific gabaa agonists. Carefully designed studies with the benzodiazepine temazepam showed that other so-called rate-dependent effects did actually not depend on
the rate of infusion [12]. This suggests that other factors beside rate of onset could also be involved in the occurrence of gabaergic hallucinations.
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dammit I can't really copy the rest well, copy pasta is failing

https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/13261/06.pdf?sequence=12

Anyway that does support the idea that the hallucinations are hypnogogic in nature.
 
Solipsis said:
***Actually I think I was wrong before, and Z-drugs bind to the BZD site (benzodiazepine receptor) located on GABAa receptors, just like benzo's do. From what I can tell it is not well explained why Z-drugs have such a large incidence of (perhaps technically hypnogogic) hallucinations and benzo's much less so.
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Maybe it's a direct agonist instead of a positive allosteric modulator? Could account for the weird effects I think.
 
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