I think I understand the Nazis and perhaps Hitler, too.

[hiphophippy]

Stop Smoking the rock

 

[panic in paradise]

Anyone who takes an interest into what happened in the raise of Nazism is going to come up to a brick wall, which is, the Holocaust. I say that it is a brick wall only to symbolize the impact of the holocaust in German history. So for instance once you find out that most of the world's "businessmen" were trading with whomever but most importantly Germany. In the 20's (around the time of the depression) bourgeoisie started planning for the War to come. Now I haven't read any of Britain's documents about the Round Table talks but I imagine it'd read about the same as the American business class/CFR/State Department were preparing. Which catered around topics like establishing a meta-narrative, resource allocation*, establishing a geographical sphere, then war planning, and post war planning. By the 40's most of the bedrock had been laid out and as far as their meta-narrative they knew they could count on one to two things: A) Germany wins over East (Japan was never even mentioned) B) Russia would win over the East. Both options required different tuning of the plans but insofar as B) won--the post war planning by the American business class was of a level far outreaching the State Department [since the 30's the S.D. has been a thorn to American business].

*During the war exports were all over the place often hidden or done by vessels but the biggest staple of the War was oil he who controlled it, controlled the entire theater. Which returns us to Japan not being considered by the American business class because they needed oil and they were going to be taking "our Dutch colonies". When the Government was put on notice by the business class it quickly started a narrative involving reasons, causes, consequences, and why we should defend the colonies. Well that narrative was never delivered over a microphone because Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Germany then acted as a buffer through which business can deal with the Axis. Lucky for Germany we didn't drop two atom bombs on factory workers (after all power is seen not heard).


Now to pull the ends of the string--it isn't that a conspiracy launched America into the riches it meagerly enjoys; in fact Britain/Germany could have won if it weren't for America.....fucking the British with lend lease. However as it happened America/Russia won, with the accumulated wealth* both systems were free to direct movement of resources across the geopolitical spheres while remaining "cold" and keeping your population in check. The true conspiracy is not that of a global one (though possibly it does partially qualify) but of a domestic one, the typical one. Mobilize your disenfranchised (make more if need be) to do as your economy/business class wish. Returning to the Holocaust after reading what I typed your first instinct is to say, "Thank you Hitler. You saved Capitalism and countless Bourgeoisie" but then you see that horrendous brick wall which is so morbid, it steals focus from the apostate Ruskies while in the exact same instance it denotes Socialism much the same as Stalinism denoted Communism. War solves many problems and it is a grizzly End but if you take the problems of post-depression/industrialization--things like, overpopulation/unemployment, under-consumption (tested and solved), building a new economy (railways, roads, buildings, infrastructure), building new moneys, beginning a new History etc. All of this was solved and bound to be solved again, vertigo anyone?

In closing the Holocaust (in pure abstract critique) is a bad place to focus when wanting to learn about the Nazi's or WWI-II for that matter.

*I'd define wealth as differences of workforce/capacity, gender statistics, and power/militarization.

OP - THE HEART OF YOUR MESSAGE IS not one I can deny


... No vertigo yet.
the stuff about over population I can't buy, there was one time where I read that the earths current population could be housed comfortably on Australia.

Simply put there is plenty of room, we just can't see it.
:/

 

[fridgebuzz]

While it is of course important to identify the historical particulars surrounding Nazism to prevent them from reoccurring, I think actively seeking to feel yourself lusting for social power, conforming and identifying with in-groups, and trying to uncover and experience (sometimes nearly unconscious) prejudiced attitudes towards out-groups will go further toward understanding the motivations of the Nazis and Hitler than an analysis of how the various circumstances of the time period itself motivated genocide. Attending a professional sporting event is a good place to start (I'm not comparing sports fandom directly to Nazism obviously, but the professional sports industry [esp. stadiums] succeeds by exploiting social instincts. You can see, and maybe feel, extreme hatred and violence arising from an activity that is, in my opinion at least, utterly vacuous [as Nazism was]).

*It’s interesting to note that our closest animal ancestor, the chimpanzee, is the only other creature to actively hunt and kill adult members of its own species (I say “adult” and “hunting” because killing a male competitor’s young offspring is common among many animals). Chimpanzees are thought to do this to gain territory, resources, and access to females. It’s also interesting that the rhesus macaque, the second most successful primate on Earth after humans, lives in societies marked by extreme social hierarchy, violence, intimidation, nepotism, complex political alliance, sexual favors in exchange for social status, and marginalization of the less powerful (the weak are kept on the outskirts of territory as fodder for predators). Rhesus macaque societies thrive and multiply, as we did in prehistory, largely because they act on social instincts that are now perceived to be burdens to human civilization.

Excellent post. I've thought about the implications of other cultures emigrating into Germany pre-wwii but you make a good point earlier when you mentioned the politics of Germany in the European environment leading up to <whatever happened to make enough of Germany actually believe what Hitler was doing was right>.

 

[Shrooms00087]

OP - THE HEART OF YOUR MESSAGE IS not one I can deny


... No vertigo yet.
the stuff about over population I can't buy, there was one time where I read that the earths current population could be housed comfortably on Australia.

Simply put there is plenty of room, we just can't see it.
:/

Yes but the question within "overpopulation" is whether or not you can supply a population with things. "Room" is an unnecessary facet of overpopulation as it stands the world is fragmented into segments of militarized areas which they protect. These fragments have to think about food, water, jobs, things, etc, etc. Just because we can throw everyone in Australia doesn't mean overpopulation isn't a threat.

 

[hiphophippy]

Yes but the question within "overpopulation" is whether or not you can supply a population with things. "Room" is an unnecessary facet of overpopulation as it stands the world is fragmented into segments of militarized areas which they protect. These fragments have to think about food, water, jobs, things, etc, etc. Just because we can throw everyone in Australia doesn't mean overpopulation isn't a threat.

Just because we could all physically fit on Australia doesn't mean that we're consuming more than the finite earth can produce.

 

[panic in paradise]

Just because we could all physically fit on Australia doesn't mean that we're consuming more than the finite earth can produce.

Most of what we produce doesn't come from, or return to the earth in a way to sustain the natural resources available. How we produce what we do is an equal problem, yet it is all due to supply and demand.

If these finite resources of earth were seen for what they are, I feel certain we would meditate "everything" on a globally conscious level...seeing us in all that is, not feeling guilty but being responsible.