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I think I need to tell her to go

Getting married just doesn't feel right to me and I'm not sure why my word is not good enough for her
I'm not out having sex with other people. I'm not going to get her pregnant and run off. I just don't see the purpose of it.

If you don't want you don't want to. I'm just like you, I don't like crowds or even just a lot of people in the same room. My wife understands this about me for family gatherings and doesn't push it. Children make me nervous therefore I don't want or have children. My wife understands this also. My point being,it sounds like you are telling her things she doesn't like to hear and you are getting the guilt trip. Sorry if I'm wrong this is my impression. Don't go through life feeling guilty or less than. Do what you want to do. Then if you do get married one day that's the time for giving to another person. Now be selfish. It sounds like a dismal relationship.
 
You are right about the guilt trip thing. However I don't want to become a selfish lonely prick anymore than I am already. In fact I would prefer to be less like that.
 
You are right about the guilt trip thing. However I don't want to become a selfish lonely prick anymore than I am already. In fact I would prefer to be less like that.

You don't sound like a selfish prick to me. A selfish prick wouldn't be posting for advice they would be doing whatever served their purpose the best.Someone is telling you you're selfish. Lonely is a choice friend.
 
just so people know internet dating is a joke in australia

fully inhabited by drug addict hookers/obese & ugly women and people with personality disorders
 
Sounds like I'll fit right in!
I can imagine it could be pretty dodgy especially in the part of Australia I'm in. The population is too small for it to be great.

I did try it once about 7 years ago before I met my current partner. It was freaky. I ended up in a house with a very strange lady who only talks to her pet bird.
Also ended up going on a date to "the amazing human body" an exhibition of plasticized Chinese corpses. Actual dead people. It was pretty fucking cool (her choice not mine). Thanks internet dating...

I did meet one or two nice chicks but they weren't into me so much.
 
The thing is that I will do it, its just not something I believe in, feel strongly about or want to do at all. I'm afraid that it might be unfair but that's the way I feel.

I should add that she knows this
You're not really giving any specific reasons though. I mean, you're uncomfortable around big crowds--big deal. And you're afraid of getting divorce --isn't everyone? You don't believe in it--believe in what? Don't feel strongly.. about marrying her? Why?

Dating is such a nonchalant thing though. Marriage is something so much more serious. It's commitment--in writing. It's vows. It's a promise to God (if you're religious). It means something more than dating and being boyfriend girlfriend. If she wanted to get married--you would marry her if you loved her. I mean, without marriage, you could cheat on her and leave her the very next day and it'll be like nothing happened. I think that's one reason women like marriage. The security of the relationship. It kind of says something about a man when he doesn't want to get married. Especially if he had lame reasons like being uncomfortable around big crowds :rollseyes:
 
It kind of says something about a man when he doesn't want to get married:rollseyes:

It sure does. It says he doesn't want to get married.

Don't believe in god, don't believe that relationships last till death. Don't feel strongly that I have ever wanted to be involved in such a thing.

If we do do it we will both be making compromises. It could still happen.
 
You sound unhappy in your relationship. If she's pressing for marriage and clearly you're not on board with that, it's best to part ways.
I was married to a man for seven years and he made me miserable. We were separated more than together. I married the wrong guy.
Maybe I'll meet someone else, maybe not. I find solace in being alone yet still believe with the right person, relationships can last. Why not?
 
You're not really giving any specific reasons though. I mean, you're uncomfortable around big crowds--big deal. And you're afraid of getting divorce --isn't everyone? You don't believe in it--believe in what? Don't feel strongly.. about marrying her? Why?

Dating is such a nonchalant thing though. Marriage is something so much more serious. It's commitment--in writing. It's vows. It's a promise to God (if you're religious). It means something more than dating and being boyfriend girlfriend. If she wanted to get married--you would marry her if you loved her. I mean, without marriage, you could cheat on her and leave her the very next day and it'll be like nothing happened. I think that's one reason women like marriage. The security of the relationship. It kind of says something about a man when he doesn't want to get married. Especially if he had lame reasons like being uncomfortable around big crowds :rollseyes:

So he's uncomfortable around large crowds. It is a big deal. Some people have social anxiety. Maybe that's not the case in this instance, but it should not be dismissed so flippantly.

As a woman who doesn't believe in marriage, I can only speak for myself, but I don't believe that my commitment can only be trusted if it's in writing. If I give my word that I'm going to do something, I'm going to follow through. After knowing someone for a while, it should be easy to tell whether a person can be depended on to keep their word. Based on that, the decision whether or not to believe what they say can be made. Marriage is more about the flaunting of material wealth. Don't believe me? How many shows are on TV about expensive weddings? Not all weddings are like that, but some of us don't need a ceremony to know that we're not going to fuck other people, etc. It actually doesn't prevent cheating at all. Many marriages end based on infidelity.

From what I understand, OP didn't say he doesn't feel strongly about marrying her. He said he doesn't feel strongly about marriage, period. He shouldn't get married if he doesn't want to, just like she should shouldn't stay with him if getting married is such a big deal to her. In my opinion, it's a stronger commitment to stay with someone without being married. If you stick around, even without a contract, you are really committed. There's nothing saying you have to stay, but you choose to. Remaining unmarried doesn't cause infidelity, just like marriage doesn't prevent it.

Security in a relationship doesn't come from marriage, it comes from trust. If she doesn't trust him, they have nothing.

A relationship involves two people (more if they're polyamorous), and both their opinions should count. Saying he would marry her if he loved her is bullshit and nothing more than a guilt trip. Emotional blackmail is a slippery slope...
 
So he's uncomfortable around large crowds. It is a big deal. Some people have social anxiety. Maybe that's not the case in this instance, but it should not be dismissed so flippantly.

As a woman who doesn't believe in marriage, I can only speak for myself, but I don't believe that my commitment can only be trusted if it's in writing. If I give my word that I'm going to do something, I'm going to follow through. After knowing someone for a while, it should be easy to tell whether a person can be depended on to keep their word. Based on that, the decision whether or not to believe what they say can be made. Marriage is more about the flaunting of material wealth. Don't believe me? How many shows are on TV about expensive weddings? Not all weddings are like that, but some of us don't need a ceremony to know that we're not going to fuck other people, etc. It actually doesn't prevent cheating at all. Many marriages end based on infidelity.

From what I understand, OP didn't say he doesn't feel strongly about marrying her. He said he doesn't feel strongly about marriage, period. He shouldn't get married if he doesn't want to, just like she should shouldn't stay with him if getting married is such a big deal to her. In my opinion, it's a stronger commitment to stay with someone without being married. If you stick around, even without a contract, you are really committed. There's nothing saying you have to stay, but you choose to. Remaining unmarried doesn't cause infidelity, just like marriage doesn't prevent it.

Security in a relationship doesn't come from marriage, it comes from trust. If she doesn't trust him, they have nothing.

A relationship involves two people (more if they're polyamorous), and both their opinions should count. Saying he would marry her if he loved her is bullshit and nothing more than a guilt trip. Emotional blackmail is a slippery slope...
Have a small ceremony. Don't have a ceremony. Take a xanax. Get counseling. Face your fears for a couple of hours with the women that you love. I'm not dismissing it--I'm just saying you shouldn't let social anxiety prevent you from getting married.

And yeah, you can only speak for yourself. That's nice that you don't believe in marriage and you agree with the OP. You guys can be together, not ever marry, and be the happiest couple to have ever walked on this earth. I don't care. I'm speaking for the girlfriend who wants to get married. I'm trying to voice what she may think. I'm trying to open the OP's eyes and attempt to give insight on the value that his girlfriend has on marriage.

It's a little ceremony that you share with your loved ones, say some vows, exchange rings, and get tax/insurance benefits. If they're dying in a hospital, you can be by their side because you're officially FAMILY. Sure you might have some anxiety--I'm sure everyone dose. Are you willing to set that aside for a couple hours to make your S/O happy? This issue is obviously ruining their relationship so he should probably make a decision.

For her to deal with it for the rest of her life (if they stay together and don't get married) compared to him dealing with it for a couple hours. What's worse?
 
Are you willing to set that aside for a couple hours to make your S/O happy?

Yeah I am. The thing is she knows I don't want to and knows I don't value this ritual/custom. This is making her unhappy and will probably continue to do so even if we do do it.

I'm not even sure how I would feel about it: doing something for the rest of my life as the result of a guilt trip.
 
Why do you assume she'll be unhappy even if you guys get married?

That's the thing though. It shouldn't be a "guilt trip". You should never do something because you feel guilty or someone's MAKING you. You should WANT to do it. You should WANT her to be happy. You should WANT to do things that will make her happy. You should do it for HER and in turn for yourself as well. Happy wife, happy life, right?

Just like, doing the dishes. No one wants to do the dishes. It's not fun. But you should WANT to do the dishes for her. TO make her life just a little bit easier. Want to do. Do it. Me and my boyfriend used to argue about it all the time. I'm always doing the dishes even though I work and go to school. He just works. He has more time but I end up doing it everyday because I can't stand to see a sink piled with dishes. He told me he doesn't like doing the dishes. WHO DOES? Does he think I like doing the dishes? NO, hell no. He should WANT to do the dishes to relieve me of the work sometimes. It should be a team effort. I want him to want to help me. Now, we do dishes together (I wash and he rinses). I shouldn't have to make him feel guilty for him to do it.
 
its not the fact you dont value marriage that she's unhappy, its because she thinks thats an excuse and you wont do it because you wont commit to her/dont want her in the long term.

if you want to be with her for the rest of your life marry her even if you think it is bullshit but if you dont want her for life then dont do it.

its worth the compromise IF your willing to fullfil the aspects of marriage that she wants (security,etc.)
 
I respectfully disagree. If he doesn't want to get married, and he does anyway, I think he'll end up resenting her. It's better to find someone with your same mindset.
 
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I absolutely detest the single life and dating but I'm not sure which I hate more.

lol what? why?

just so people know internet dating is a joke in australia

fully inhabited by drug addict hookers/obese & ugly women and people with personality disorders

lol, sounds like you have some personal experience in that realm.
 
^ Why? I'm not so keen on rejection. So far that has been my experience of being single.

To be honest being alone isn't that much of a problem for me.
Meeting and approaching strange women though is not my favourite thing.
 
^ Why? I'm not so keen on rejection. So far that has been my experience of being single.

To be honest being alone isn't that much of a problem for me.
Meeting and approaching strange women though is not my favourite thing.

Gotcha; well being single is really cool, and rejection can happen with or without being single. But yeah I understand no one likes rejection.

I would say, give being single a shot. Find some fuck buddies, have sex without strings attached, and before you know it you'll love being a bachelor.
 
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