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I think blotter ink might be making me sick

Solipsis said:
It doesn't have to be toxic, if you taste it and it tastes toxic to you it can be enough to react to it as if it were toxic. Again because of the power of suggestion.

I subscribe to the idea that psychedelics potentiate the power of suggestion manifold times. For a long time I believed like a lot of others that clean and dirty acid can make a difference. There is a thread on it that is pretty long actually.
But after years I realized something when a user mentioned that LSD that is very pure can also cause the 'dirty reaction'... that is pretty much evidence to the contrary of my beliefs. And there are more examples that amazingly illustrate how very powerful suggestion + psychedelics is (goddamnit I keep writing powderful)
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My brain is powderful indeed lol

But yeah, totally could all be psychological. Also I suffer from pretty severe anxiety so that may well play a pretty big part in it.

Thanks to everyone else for their responses, much appreciated :)
 
Not to get off topic but the power of suggestion and LSD continues to surprise me. Like every single "I spilled liquid on my hand" trip story is not true either, I believed those until recently. Then I read David Nichol's speech where he said he cannot replicate Hoffman's discovery in his own lab. He also said Nick Sand did the following experiment:
"I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" -- DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened!"
http://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml

Anyway you guys are lucky, the whole rat poison argument in 1988 was way worse and there was no internet to get facts. Now there is the opposite problem, now people have silly ideas like different colors of crystal have different purities based on one guy's post. If someone claimed they could tell the quality of an RC by it's texture or color you would be laughed off the board. But it's LSD so people seem to suspend just basic common sense because someone on shroomery said so.

"That's why I have the theory of dark colored ink on blotters is to cover up the "lavender" stains."

If you see stains on your blotters its because someone used a vial to lay a sheet instead of doing it right.



"LSD can make you puke... Unless you are on bluelight, in which case it is a mythical superdrug with no negative properties."

Exactly, people here have bad trip and they blame nbomes.




"For all you know, that specific batch of acid could of had some impurities in them that are making you sick. Not necessarily a new drug, but a byproduct of synthesis could be there."


This has been gone over a zillion times in other threads, but which by product? What chemical makes you puke in microgram amounts? LSD does, so to suggest its something else should require at least a suggestion as to which chemical you think it is. Otherwise your stomach pains are a side effect of LSD, a well documented one, that also happened with Sandoz LSD.
 
I want to make the easy assumption that this is largely a psychological phenomenon you are experiencing. I am making this massive leap of an assumption based off your saying you can taste the ink in your vomit. Your gastric juice should be overpowering any miniscule taste posed by the ink on the blotter(s), leading me to believe much of the association of nausea to the ink is in your mind, and only exists to justify your feeling ill. I have seen it before with psychedelics; individuals believing their mushrooms are toxic because they vomit or feel unwell. The reality is something made you vomit, it may or may not be related to the drug you ingested, but it must be justified by some cause.
But of course, there still exists the possibility that you are entirely correct, and that the ink is having some adverse physiological effect on you, or is toxic, which results in you throwing up and feeling ill.
 
my3rdeye said:
"LSD can make you puke... Unless you are on bluelight, in which case it is a mythical superdrug with no negative properties."

Exactly, people here have bad trip and they blame nbomes.
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yeah a bad trip is so much easier on lsd than nbomes.
 
I guarantee you got 25c. Feels way more organic than 25i. Tastes fucking way way worse than 25i too.

I love 25c so much. It's amazing. I can see how if you thought it was acid and took it you wouldn't argue it.
 
The fact that NBOMe compounds taste gross doesn't mean that ink cannot. :) I've had lab-tested LSD that tasted pretty shitty as well. Sometimes bitter, made me suspect the ink indeed. At other times soapy... both times it was no indication for dosage nor quality.
 
wayab said:
yeah a bad trip is so much easier on lsd than nbomes.
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Careful, I have dosed high amounts of lsd without a single bad trip dozens of times. Don't get me wrong some almost got away from me that I had to wrangle in vigorously. I dosed 25i and 25c a handful of times with a bad trip more than once on them that somehow got away from me too far too fast for me to stop it, experiences are relative, bad trips do not rely on the chemical being taken in, other factors need to be looked at as my experiences more than explains...for goodness sakes please make sure your mindSET & relative SETTING are proper for any trip, the actual substance matters little as long as it is not in the class of drugs known as deliriants...8(
 
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Anon0631 said:
Why on earth would a couple of micrograms of ink of a certain colour make you puke? Come on! Engage some critical thinking.
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It is very possible to be allergic to anything. My moms perfume makes my tongue burn from any amount of exposure. Not even talking having it on me. I'm talking catching a tiny whiff. I had to borrow her car for a month and had to get it steam cleaned because her odorants were making me physically ill.

OP- do you know if you have any food/substance allergies? I'm pretty sure most ink any more is soy-based... But you could be allergic/ sensitive to whatever else is added.

I recently got some white al-lad blotters that I had to sell because I got a reaction from them. I doubt it was al-lad that caused it... But it could have been an impurity. I say I doubt because just the couple weeks before I had some acid on white blotter (light ink lines, blue) which caused no such reaction and had a great time. The AL-LAD blotters were not pure white. They had black lines that looked like they bled a little when it was laid, and the "white" paper was darkened by this bleeding. Had a very metallic taste. Didn't go away for a day. I've had similar reactions oddly from taking certain b vitamins.
 
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I'm sorry but I can't resist, but you are in an absolutely perfect and beautiful location, that we should all strive to reach every moment of everyday :D

Solipsis said:
The fact that NBOMe compounds taste gross doesn't mean that ink cannot. :) I've had lab-tested LSD that tasted pretty shitty as well. Sometimes bitter, made me suspect the ink indeed. At other times soapy... both times it was no indication for dosage nor quality.
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Do you swallow your blotters? There's no reason to. Just put it under your tongue, and spit it out a half hour later.
 
This does happen with some people, especially after repeated use with the same 'ink' tasting blotter. It takes a bit of conditioning yourself again to stop it happening, it may also be anxiety related due to the comeup/sudden change. Some people just get nausea with psychedelics - I'm one of them, I know that NBOMEs are more inclined to make people feel ill or off in comparison to acid and that's why a lot of people say they got NBOME due to being sick.

I recommend ondansetron. Or else some lemon juice and ginger half an hour before dropping. I also found from personal experience that if I go sublinguial for a good 15-20 mins before swallowing the tab I get less nausea. If you're one of those people who does get sick, I recommend small meals before psychedelics as this means you have something in your stomach to throw up, it does make things slightly restrictive though where you drop etc so check out ondansetron.
 
my3rdeye said:
"For all you know, that specific batch of acid could of had some impurities in them that are making you sick. Not necessarily a new drug, but a byproduct of synthesis could be there."


This has been gone over a zillion times in other threads, but which by product? What chemical makes you puke in microgram amounts? LSD does, so to suggest its something else should require at least a suggestion as to which chemical you think it is. Otherwise your stomach pains are a side effect of LSD, a well documented one, that also happened with Sandoz LSD.
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It could be the actual method in synthesis, as well. I forget what botanicals for LSA, if any, were used in Sandoz's original L, but I know the blue's LSA is taken from Blue Morning Glory, hints at the name Blue Swiss/Owsley's Blue. So structurally, the chemicals are similar, but down to the sub-atomic level of the chemical would range.

But yes, stateside, 'family' holds a tight grip on distribution of L. Not only is it safer to throw it out on white, but it's tradition going back to 'white on white.' So unless your getting some amateur attempting to lay their own blotter with vials, then I'd be wary..not many people are in the L game in this country without 'GDF' connections. Blotter art to them is randomly thrown out on special occasions. Hoffman's death and such, and certain artists on circuit might make artwork for their run to stand out from the white, cuz I mean, custies fucking love to see colors on a piece of paper that's going to be dissolved in their mouth's and stomach.

And like Applecore says, just spit them out after a half-hour. I started doing that and gained peace of mind, from not swallowing that bleached paper. If it's sealed, you may want to bring it out from under your tongue, and give it a little chew and suck some more. You know you love it.
 
White fluff = 60s chemist slang to signify the correct chromotography fractions (ie all usable LSD is white fluff)

Needle point = the practice of using a hypodermic needle to measure out very small drops of very concentrated LSD solution. It's not a grade of LSD or even a noun.

Amber/lavender/silver = most probably completely made up by a troll/storyteller over at the shroomery. Read the thread, it's highly entertaining if fiction is your thing.

LSD is LSD. There are no different brands with different properties. And if you are buying blotters, you have no idea of the origin of the LSD. Dealers just like making stuff up to sell their product.
 
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Sorry, I don't have time to respond to everyone. But thank you all so much for your interest. I've greatly enjoyed the discussion!

TheAppleCore said:
Do you swallow your blotters? There's no reason to. Just put it under your tongue, and spit it out a half hour later.
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I've had actually decided already this was the best course of action. Before I had indeed always been swallowing them, but now realise that's not necessary. Just out of curiosity, how long do you think is reasonable to keep it under the tongue? And also, is chewing it necessary before spitting it out?
 
^ Most drugs taken sublingually seem to absorb within 20 minutes or so. With LSD blotter, I usually just stick it under my tongue and leave it there until it gets annoying, which is usually after about 40 minutes, and that always works a charm.
 
Anon0631 said:
Amber/lavender/silver = most probably completely made up by a troll/storyteller over at the shroomery. Read the thread, it's highly entertaining if fiction is your thing.
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Silver-L that is bonded on a silver conductor. You can't read everything on the internet and gain solid knowledge. Plus, there are different ways to get LSA...therefore creating many of the other names. Sure, the chemical may contain the same atoms, but the method those atoms were bound in each chemical process, inside and outside of the plant, down to what you can't see on your Wikipedia defined molecule graph(where all seem to become experts in the field of chemistry experience), will have some range of difference. Which goes on to explain a little of how running current through silver bonding lsa and diethylamide will create more undesirable feelings, no matter how many times you refine it, how long those very tubes are, or your altitude.
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Sorry. Are you talking about electrolysis?

And are you proposing that the same molecule made in different ways will have different effects?
 
Anon0631 said:
White fluff = 60s chemist slang to signify the correct chromotography fractions (ie all usable LSD is white fluff)

Needle point = the practice of using a hypodermic needle to measure out very small drops of very concentrated LSD solution. It's not a grade of LSD or even a noun.

Amber/lavender/silver = most probably completely made up by a troll/storyteller over at the shroomery. Read the thread, it's highly entertaining if fiction is your thing.

LSD is LSD. There are no different brands with different properties. And if you are buying blotters, you have no idea of the origin of the LSD. Dealers just like making stuff up to sell their product.
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It may be different in the UK. But, over here when buying grams quality is referred to by different names. When you pick up packs of raw, price and quality can differ so much from source/batch. To differentiate between different qualities there are a handful of terms to be used. Though, they differ a bit from what the general lsd user believes (due to chinacat). Point, Fluff, silver, clear etc...

But, yes many times it is a marketing ploy by the dealer when selling paper or liquid. But, the terms DO exist and are used when buying raw.


As for ink making a user sick, I am not so sure.... I highly doubt it.
But, it is definitely possible for blotter ink to give off a little taste. Although, it is not that common. Most blotter that is used in the US is from Zane. His paper is pretty standard and tasteless. The most taste you will get is a slight soapy taste but, it is not often.
 
Somewhat..is it the same term for bonding and separation? Essentially it is the same thing, and I'm not sure at all, but I would think that alternating current would be used. It's something in my head that makes sense, but to make my reasoning known outside of my head, I'd need fingerpaints, and still, I would probably not do the thought justice.

When I posted response to you, I hadn't read any of your other posts, so I didn't expect your statements to be backed by a brain:)... I almost came back here to say, sorry if I seemed to have called you an idiot, but it seems as though you reminded my sleep deprived brain of responding to me.

It is just proposition, but yes...and also no. Really the greater effect would be the same, of course, but my rationalization may go against what most chemically learned people have in their heads. A molecule is a molecule, sure. What that molecule is broken down into is perceivably the same, as what the other may be broken into, but the relationship of how those chemicals were bonded could be perceived differently. The fluctuation of energy between elements creates the effects of the different chemicals we experience. This is something that is nearly impossible to study, but you can somewhat see it with extracted THC and lab produced THC. Both are molecules, chemically mapped the same, but all people report an obvious difference in effects.

I have to come back to reality of work...please, post, and hopefully I'll be able to get on tomorrow...I like that I've been engaged in subatomic theory rather than electrical testing for the entire day today:)
 
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