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To clarify: I'm not saying someone has to have as many traumas as I do for taking drugs to be understandable. Someone with pretty significant problems - e.g. extensive sexual abuse - I can understand why they'd want to use drugs to get away from things, despite the health risks, financial costs, risk to relationships, career, etc., etc., etc. But there are people who take drugs who have no significant problems aren't there? Whose lives are pretty average, with ups and downs, but nothing outside of the troubles we learn to expect in a typical life? Those are the cases where I don't understand the motivation for drug use. The only reason I see is if there is something wrong physically with the brain, so that severe depression, or anxiety or whatever takes hold despite there being nothing wrong in the person's life to warrant such extreme negative emotions. But are there other reasons? Where people don't take drugs to escape a miserable life or a miserable state of mind, but for some other purpose?
 
ComfortablyNumb - Thanks for answering my questions. What you're saying sounds like when people talk about having an "addictive personality" - or not in your case. I don't think I'd get addicted to things easily - I seem to have a lot of self-discipline - not that I've tried many drugs, but doing things like getting up and making myself walk after surgery, eating sensibly, getting essays done early when I was studying, etc. I think I would never have go addicted to codeine if it weren't for the complete lack of caring about my health anymore. If I had a life, I could and would give up codeine. Sounds like research has a lot to do with it for you too. Trial and error is something I try a lot when I get new medications prescribed and I'm trying to find the best dose for me (which is often more than my doctors initially recommend). I'd still caution you about becoming too complacent though. Are the benefits you get worth the risk?

yes, of course, or else I wouldn't do drugs at all, which of course would be the "best" choice but why refrain from the fun if you can do it (relatively) safe?
 
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I’m probably the type of person who, if you met me, would be the last you’d expect to be joining a forum like this. I’ve never taken an illegal drug, have been drunk just once in my life and have never smoked a cigarette. But I’ve had a terrible life full of terrible things. One bad thing, though in no way the worst, is a progressive neurological disease that began when I was a teenager and is steadily destroying every part of my body. And somewhere along the way of getting sick, I got addicted to codeine, prescribed by my doctors.

I’ve become quite tolerant to it, in the physical sense. Sometimes I take breaks from it to reduce my tolerance. I can still restrain myself from taking it when I want to, even when I have plenty to hand, which I do every now and then to test the level of my addiction. But some of my motivations for taking it are definitely not those intended by my doctors. Yes, it makes me feel much better physically (and not just from stopping withdrawal symptoms). It does relieve pain a little bit, but mostly I take it because it gives me a boost of energy, and energy is something I lack to an extent that a healthy young person couldn’t understand. Codeine gives me the energy to do basic things without everything requiring an overwhelming effort. I told my doctors about this effect, and they didn’t think I’d got it right because, they said, codeine is a sedative, but I’ve had enough opportunities over the years to see the correlation and I’m confident I’m not mistaken.

But I don’t just take it for energy; I take it to help my mood. While it gives me physical energy and a kind of buzz, it somehow manages to calm me down as well. I take it when I’m angry or when I’m bored. And I don’t take one 30mg pill at a time like I’m supposed to – I’ll take anywhere up to about eight 30mg pills in one go. Taking one at a time seems a waste because it doesn’t do anything then, even when I’ve had a break and my tolerance is lower. My doctors know that I don’t take it as I should. I recognise many tendencies of addicts in my thoughts and behaviour surrounding my codeine use, but I’m pretty open about it. My doctors kind of turn a blind-eye; I guess they think the severity of my illness makes it more understandable.

So this is how I ended up finding this forum, but I have been reading a lot of other threads out of curiosity. To be honest, I find it hard to understand why people experiment with drugs if they have a life which is ok. My health is a lost cause, so I am willing to take risks with medication that, if I was healthy and had a normal life, I would not, and as far as I (and my doctors) know, I do not seem to be suffering any physical damage from taking codeine. I’m also not sure how people dare to do something illegal for what seems to me as, in many cases, relatively little gain. I know many of the laws around drugs are arbitrary, and suspect there is a lot of potential benefits that could be provided by drugs which are being missed out on because of laws or because the drugs have been stereotyped as dangerous. Legal medications have done more for me than I ever thought possible, in treating both physical and mental aspects; in addition to codeine I’m prescribed an anti-depressant which has changed me completely – for the better, and medication has caused some of my physical problems to vanish, so I’m very much in favour of increasing research into drugs regarding both their physical and mental effects, including searching for the potential benefits of drugs that are currently classed as illegal. But as things stand with current research and legality, experimenting on oneself with drugs where there is little known about what is being taken and what its effects could be seems incredibly risky. So clearly I’m missing something, and I’d like to try to understand other people’s views on drugs, and learn more about the physiological processes that are going on with my own use of codeine, in particular the mental effects and the ability to feel more energetic from taking a sedative.

I realise that people here may read this and expect me to act superior or be judgemental about recreational drug-taking. I don’t intend to be like that, I hope to just find some information from people who know a lot more about drug use than I do. I probably know more than most lay-people about many prescription medications, but the extent of my knowledge of any remotely illegal drug-use, including the cultures surrounding it, comes solely from watching Breaking Bad. So I have a lot to learn.

Hiya EDVBasicsRicePops :) - and Welcome to Bluelight.

I also had a codeine addiction - and was taking 900mg a day. I am now on suboxone due to it. I've had a lot of judgement for choosing that root but it was right for me because I tried EVERYTHING to come off codeine, and couldn't. It was not the physical that stopped me but the psychological.

Your doctor is partially right... Codeine to a non-opiate user, is very much sedating and has sedation affects. Once addicted, these affects change and it often becomes stimulating 0 giving the person energy that without it, they lack and feel lethargic. I was incredibly stimulated on codeine, doing all the housework until the house was spotless - and actually enjoying it, something I don't normally do.

You are not coming across as judgemental. You are sharing your opinions and thoughts. I had a L5/S1 disc protrusion (common known as herniated (slipped) disc) plus was depressed and had a lot of anger in me. I found that codeine took that away and make me good inside. I began to think that my mind had been miserable until codeine had become apart of it - and that without codeine, how could I possibly ever be happy ever again. The grieve, during withdrawal, was unreal.

I am unsure of your location but in European and African Drug Discussion (EADD) I have created a thread titled Anyone Else Had a Codeine Addiction which is to help people with addiction to codeine or DHC. You're more than welcome to post there; you'll find lots of support there.

I'll give you some other links to some sub-forums, below:

- Other Drugs (OD)
- The Dark Side
- Sober Living
- Mental Health

and some threads

- Suboxone/ Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ V.18.0
- Personal Accounts of Addiction What's Your Story
- OD list of Mega Threads
- Today I am thankful for...
- Exercise 4 Health, Mental Health and Addiction vs. I worked all that out
- June Getting and / Staying Sober Thread [/URL
- [URL="http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/696137-Creating-Positive-Change-vs-If-Nothing-Changes-Then-Nothing-Changes"] Creating Positive Change vs. If Nothing Changes, then Nothing Changes

- Vent / Rant Thread vs. Don't Get in My Way

You're more than welcome to PM me anytime if you need a friend or someone to talk to. I do understand what you're going through. Addiction is tough no matter what the substance, but with compassion, empathy and support - you can beat this. The people here are very understanding. You may also find that a lot of people who become addicted to drugs do have underlying mental health issues and are quite vulnerable. I used to be very judgemental at one time but I have learnt to change my opinion as I learnt more and more about things. Codeine actually comes from the same poppy as heroin; the opium poppy - only codeine is not allowed to be taken intravenously whereas Heroin can be.

Please take care and I hope that you get what you need from Bluelight.
All the best,
Evey

PS: I'll read these responses later so I apologise if I seem ignorant.
 
I find your reply really offensive. If you read my posts you'll see I said I think using drugs for emotional pain is just as understandable as using it for physical pain - in fact I also said I myself take codeine partly for emotional pain. I have been severely sexually abused, why on earth would you use that as an example of something equally bad to being in hospital, when it's ONE OF THE TRAUMAS I SAID I HAVE EXPERIENCED. Please don't get at me without even taking the time to read my posts.

My problems are infinitely worse than the vast majority of people. There may be people out there who have worse problems, but I'm in a very very small minority, even more so among the population around me, the people I associate with day in and day out.

My problems (which, btw, I have only posted a fraction of) are awful - worse than you could possible imagine. What is wrong with you that your response to someone in pain is to insult them? Are you so insecure about the fact that, perhaps, you take drugs even though you have no real problems that it angers you to be face with someone who does? Perhaps you are using what you perceive as problems in your own life as an excuse for your lack of self-control over drug-taking, and having to face the fact that actually you don't have many problems to deal with makes you angry?

I know there are plenty of people who take drugs who only have the every-day kind of problems that everyone deals with, they don't all have terrible lives. That's why I'm asking. I'm interested in finding out the reasons why. I'm sure there are reasons, otherwise so many people wouldn't do drugs. But since my own experience is limited to taking drugs to escape severe mental and physical pain, I don't yet understand those with other motivations. I'm trying to understand those motivations, not to undermine their validity.

I read everything you have to say that's why I said as you already know someone who gets abused will have pain just the same as someone who is in physical pain. AS YOU ALREADY KNOW! is what I said so take the time to read my post. Im just telling you straight up man there's always someone worse off than you so be thankful for what you got and get out of your pity party.
I don't care what your problem is you came on here and said people think they have problems but actually they don't meaning everyone's else's is insignificant and that goes to show your ignorant and one sided so I got no time for you let's leave it at that okay I haven't insulted you once in my post before I don't know what your talking about you just don't want the truth I told you why people do drugs and you don't want to hear it you would rather think that they are all pussies who have perfect lives and you are the only one with any real problem worth using drugs for.
Shame on you I ain't gonna argue with you cause you don't listen or read posts properly and insulted me twice now when I haven't at all I said there are people out there who find your problems minor compared to their life cause its true not to insult you its to show you your not the only one with problems.

At least you have parents to take care of you would you rather be left alone like an animal or in a part of the world where you can't even get proper medical help or pain relief.

Be thankful for what you got
 
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You say your not undemining peoples issues but im interested to know how exactly you come to the conclusion that a person doesnt have any problems at all? Sure your right some dont have big problems or something eating then up inside but how do you know which ones those are by looking at them? Mabye they lost a close friend and cant get over the loss being able to walk wouldn't change the way that person feels sure to you you dont think everyday stuff like that is worth trying to forget about but it doesnt change the fact the person is in pain and wants it to go away like everyone else. Sure some kids or whatever who have no big problems and a close to perfect life are out there using drugs because they are bored but they still are obviously not happy with some aspect of their life and sometimes that problem isnt as obvious to outsiders as other things people go through are but it doesnt mean they are not there. I'm not saying I got more problems than you either or that I have it worse cause I don't I thank the lord everyday I can get up and walk after an accident with a chainsaw a few years back which almost took my leg and another time I got my leg pinned in between some 60 foot logs when nobody was around I was lucky somebody eventually found me and forklifted them off me. I'm thanful cause I know others are not so lucky.

Although I have had a tough life more so than the average person i don't think people who have had better lives than me don't have any problems at all whats the point in trying to figure out who has more issues or who has more struggles let's just be thankful for the things we do have. I dont tell people their problem shouldn't matter cause I've been through this or go "OH YEA well you don't even know the half of what I've been through so why are you crying over your problems! That's just not right cause like I said there's always somebody worse off than you so the same goes for you. If that makes you mad mabye you should think about things.

You can get mad at me and insult me again call me insecure about my drug use tell me im looking for reasons to use whatever I know it's not true. I don't blame my drug use or my problems that have come from my drug use on anybody its my fault. Although i could tell my counsler its all my dads fault for leaving me to care of my crazy bi polar mother, left us homeless until I had to start working and taking care of the rent/bills and a mother who couldn't work or do much of anything at age 14, I could say its cause my dad hated me so much he took us out of his will to make sure we would still suffer even when he died which has already happened leaving me heartbroken that he hated me so much, i could say its my doctors fault for prescribing me so many narcotics for pain I could say my job shouldnt have let me work alone with a chainsaw all day with no one around around but i don't. so you think what you want
I did use drugs for my physical and mental pain and now I've recovered and got my life back on track as I want to live life not so high all the time.

You don't have to say anything I'm not too interested in what you have to say or to hear you complain some more cause we're all in pain buddy not just you we all just have different struggles
 
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