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I need to STOP...

Interesting timing again, fascination.

I was just contemplating dosages. I took my 15+5/325 today at a little afternoon.
Of course I felt better but I feel Very high. Still even... at 5:30 pm. No crave or watching the clock tick to 5 today. I may do 15+750 perk tonight.
Or stick to the 30 and taper off the noon dose. Maybe even try and skip it. Dunno... trying to avoid the Chaos.
I think my body is adjusting now after 7 days. I was hoping to maintain for a day or to just to feel a bit of 'normality' for a bit. I think its time to maybe drop again. Tomorrow at noon I should go straight to 10 mg? Or just drop the 5/325?
I don't like being this 'high' at work. I also don't like feeling like shit. Gotta find that line. The answer maybe commonsense but maybe you guys know what's going on?
VW?
 
I'm not a doctor ( and I don't play one on TV) but..I have read a lot about tapering and spoken to many doctors about it over the years. Most recommend not lowering your dose more than 25 % every few weeks or even monthly if possible. The idea is to go slow and let your body adjust. So if you were taking 100 mg of oxycodone a day then you would lower your dose to 75 mgs. Stabilise there and then in a few weeks or a month, lower another 25%. if you need to go slower, then go slower. If you find a 25% cut a breeze, then you can try speeding it up. This is what EVERY pain management doc has told me.
Now, when I was on methadone they only recommended 10% cuts in dose as you taper but methadone is a different beast. It's much more difficult to get off of. Even saying that though, I tapered from methadone much faster than 10% cuts every two weeks. Everyone is different. You may have to experiment a bit to see what works for you. But you CAN do it hon! Im on day 3 of cold turkey detox from Norcos and I can tell already that I'm feeling better. I even ate today!! If you want to chat PM me. You're not alone in this! A big hug to you sweetie!
 
Newquiter said:
Interesting timing again, fascination.

I was just contemplating dosages. I took my 15+5/325 today at a little afternoon.
Of course I felt better but I feel Very high. Still even... at 5:30 pm. No crave or watching the clock tick to 5 today. I may do 15+750 perk tonight.
Or stick to the 30 and taper off the noon dose. Maybe even try and skip it. Dunno... trying to avoid the Chaos.
I think my body is adjusting now after 7 days. I was hoping to maintain for a day or to just to feel a bit of 'normality' for a bit. I think its time to maybe drop again. Tomorrow at noon I should go straight to 10 mg? Or just drop the 5/325?
I don't like being this 'high' at work. I also don't like feeling like shit. Gotta find that line. The answer maybe commonsense but maybe you guys know what's going on?
VW?
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The dislike of feeling high is a good sign! I think it would be the best choice to go to 15 mg in the afternoon today, and if you feel fine in the evening you can drop to 15+750 in the evening if you slept well the last few nights. Sounds like you have a good control over your dosing right now. Just drop in small steps where you feel it's most bearable, and if you start feeling bad stay at that dose for a few days. You're moving in a really good direction.

How is your wife doing?
 
Hi fascination. I'm doing well. How's your project coming along?

Hey VW.

I'm at 7.5 perk at lunch. And Im at 15+7.5 perk at night. I think I will maintain that thru tonight. Then tomorrow I plan to 7.5 perk at noon and 15+5 at night.
Monday I plan to use the 5 mg oxys at noon and drop to 15 at night. Then the next week I'd like to drop the noon altogether.
I'm feeling much better and sleeping well. The line between being too high and avoiding heavy w/d is elusive.
The zanax and somas are making me too foggy at night (spilling into the morning), now that I don't have to counter act 60 mg of oxy.
Or.... my body chemistry is all out of wack.
I'm thinking of going to 1.5 zanax +1.5 soma.


What do you think? Do those that way for a week then drop to 1 each? I need a lesson in tapering the benzos...
 
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Btw- my wife is doing better. She was under a lot of stress last week.

Thanks for asking.
 
Newquiter said:
Hi fascination. I'm doing well. How's your project coming along?

Hey VW.

I'm at 7.5 perk at lunch. And Im at 15+7.5 perk at night. I think I will maintain that thru tonight. Then tomorrow I plan to 7.5 perk at noon and 15+5 at night.
Monday I plan to use the 5 mg oxys at noon and drop to 15 at night. Then the next week I'd like to drop the noon altogether.
I'm feeling much better and sleeping well. The line between being too high and avoiding heavy w/d is elusive.
The zanax and somas are making me too foggy at night (spilling into the morning), now that I don't have to counter act 60 mg of oxy.
Or.... my body chemistry is all out of wack.
I'm thinking of going to 1.5 zanax +1.5 soma.


What do you think? Do those that way for a week then drop to 1 each? I need a lesson in tapering the benzos...
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Your Plan about the Percs/Oxy sounds reasonable. The Benzos & Somas are another case. How long have you taken them regularly? That will strongly influence the tapering plan. In general, it is best to switch from Xanax, which is rather short-acting, to a long acting benzo, Valium/Diazepam is most frequently used for this. That helps to sustain a stable amount of Benzos in your system. 2 mg Xanax are equivalent to 40 mg Diazepam, so you can take 10 mg in the morning, 10 at noon, 10 in the early evening and 10 right before sleeping. I don't know much about Soma, it's not available in Germany, maybe someone can help?

However, you should really wait with the benzo/soma-taper until the opiates are out of your system. Benzos ease the opiate withdrawal big time, so doing both of it at the same time is really really complicated. Also, you should really taper them a lot slower than the opiates. The worst that can happen to you during oxy withdrawal is that you feel like shit, can't sleep and shit & puke your insides out, but benzo withdrawal can cause seizures, delirium, and many other bad bad symptoms and is possibly lethal if you do it too fast.

Rock on!
 
I'be been taking the Xanax for about a year. Its only been 2 months or so that I moved up to 2/night. Along with my infantile increase use of oxys for recreation.
The somas also for about a year... and the same increase as with zanax. I pretty much was 1.5/night for that year. Aside from the last 2 months. I think I will drop to 1.5 on each and stay until I'm off the oc's. I will try tonight. And see how I feel. It just feels like I get too foggy.
I get the zanax on the street so I guess I should be careful I don't run out. I get them by the 200 ct. bottle.
I don't think I have a huge problem with either, as I don't crave them. I barely feel their effect and wouldn't take them recreationally. Like I said before... I used them to unwind from the oc's.

SOMA=Carisoprodol. 350 mg.
 
NQ, that is the exact point about benzos. While opiates give you the feeling that you might get hooked when you use them for the first time, benzos aren't that muchof a rush, they're decent, mellow, comfortably, and out of comfort you will take more and more of them. You will feel quite normal while on them, the recreational properties will diminish after a few days/weeks, and you'll feel like you don't have a problem at all until you try to stop. While working in a detox facility, I met a woman who withdrew from long-term and high-dose benzo abuse, and she was in acute withdrawal for 10 months. Every time we dropped the dose about a few mg of Diazepam, it would send her into full blown withdrawals for one or two weeks. So be careful.

If you really feel good and have no withdrawal symptoms at all, you can try to go with 1,5 mg xanax, but you have to promise that you go back to 2 mg as soon as you start feeling bad/strange/anxious. One year is a considerable amount of time and 2 mg Xanax is not too little, so I assume that you are physically dependent to an extent where you should take the withdrawal serious.
Carisoprodol isn't used as a prescription drug around here, so I still have no plan how to taper them. Just stick to them until you have entirely quit the Xanax.

Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Syndrome
 
OP, thank you for the recognition. Trust me, I do this for myself, first and foremost (not saying I'm purely motivated by self interest either though). The fact it helps you is like the cherry (the fact it helps you) on the icing (the fact it helps me) on the cake (the cake that is BL). Haha... Not sure where I was going with that.

Anyways, benzos can be some real serious stuff, as VW has indicated. I would recommend you browsing through The Ashton Manual for info on how to deal with benzo w/d and just general information about this class of drugs/meds.

You shouldn't have much problem detoxing from the soma, certainly it is not as potentially dangerous as the xanax or benzos, so save dealing with that for last. Piece of piss. As they say... (who are they? fuck if I know... ;))
 
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