Misc I need some first-hand Bluelighter info on Fioricet!

[xburtonchic]

Addiction specialist's office is closed, so I guess this is my next best bet.

The warning on the info packet says "Do not take this drug if you have a history of addiction." I'm on Suboxone and Xanax already, and I see an addiction specialist. So obviously I have a history of addiction.

I suffered a pretty gnarly concussion last night and ended up in the ER, and they prescribed me Fioricet to help relieve the symptoms. They prescribed me 15 pills. I'm not sure of how many mg. I haven't taken it into the pharmacy yet because my insurance denied me something as harmless as Lexapro the other day, so I'm worried they won't give me this one either (except I really legitimately need it), since I'm assuming if it's addictive, it's a controlled substance.

My questions are this:
Is Fioricet really THAT addicting? What can I expect when I take it? Will there be any drug interactions between the Fioricet and the Suboxone, Xanax, or combination thereof?

All I can find on the internet is generic information and stories of people getting high from it, so that's not very helpful. Any info would be appreciated? Thanks

 

[sekio]

Fioricet and Esgic is made from a combination of butalbital (a barbiturate, 50 mg), acetaminophen (325 mg), and caffeine (40 mg)

It'll potentiate your Xanax and Suboxone. I think it's sch3 in the US.

 

[Fire&Water]

Barbituates got a bad rap in the 1960's -70's but I dont believe it's any more addictive than major pain killers It doesnt contain even contain a large amount of
Butibital...It' the combo' of caffeinne, acetaminophen & barb' that makes it a decent medication for headaches...most Docs' dont even like to prescribe it anymore. What were your symptoms ?

 

[Tchort]

Actually Fioricet is pretty commonly prescribed- it is probably the only Barbiturate prescribed regularly presently in the US (Several varieties exist of Fioricet/Fiorinal- Aspirin, Caffeine, Butalbital; APAP, Caffeine, Butalbital; then there's its cousins which are also pretty common- same 2 possible combinations, but both with Codeine added as well).

Butalbital is a fairly weak Barbiturate, but can still be very dangerous when combined with other downers and narcotics (such as Xanax and Suboxone).

 

[xburtonchic]

Yeah I was a little worried about mixing the Fioricet with the Xanax just because I know alchohol is pretty close to the barbituate family. And alcohol + xanax = definite black outs. I'll just be hella careful with it I guess and only take one at a time, even though it says two.

As far as my symptoms, I blacked out right after I hit my head. I don't know how long I was unconscious for. When I came to I was really disoriented and my entire face... I mean my ENTIRE face hurt. It felt like there was blood everywhere, I was checking my nose and my teeth because it honestly felt like I had done some major damage to my face, but in reality there was no blood. Just an orange-sized lump on my forehead. After I got up, I couldn't walk straight... was just really disoriented... like I said, my entire face hurt like a mother... I couldn't form words properly when I was trying to talk to the doctor... was really dizzy and my vision was blurred... I had a headache... and I was really tired. Oh and the CT scan showed my skull was fractured. Lol you should have seen my typing... my vision was so bad that I texted people a bunch of jibberish. I knew I was doing it too, but I honestly just could not seem to find the right keys, it's still kind of hard, but I'm not too lazy to go back and delete and retype anymore.

I was allowed to sleep for four hours, and when I woke up most of that was gone. All that's left now is the headache, neck pain, somewhat blurred vision, and I'm tired as shit. But I'm not allowed to go to sleep unless someone is with me to wake me up every few hours, and no one is here right now so yeah... sleep is out of the question. I'd rather be tired than have something bad happen anyways!

Thanks for the answers though. Now I know to be careful mixing it with the meds I have.

 

[ykm420]

I absolutely love floricet. I NEVER thought I'd have the chance to do barbs, then lone behold, I get a bunch delivered to me from a friend. Being as I just turned 20, I thought they going to be too rare for me to get. I'm addicted to opiates, so I popped a few and mixed it with some hydrocodone, and klonopin. What a beautiful drug to have..

 

[xburtonchic]

I absolutely love floricet. I NEVER thought I'd have the chance to do barbs, then lone behold, I get a bunch delivered to me from a friend. Being as I just turned 20, I thought they going to be too rare for me to get. I'm addicted to opiates, so I popped a few and mixed it with some hydrocodone, and klonopin. What a beautiful drug to have..

Really? Maybe I'm just immune to them or something... all they did was make me crash out
I did it almost the same way as you did too, just with a different opiate and a different benzo.

 

[lorne667]

^^^ Yeah ykm must be a rare breed. Personally, I think they are garbage as the caffeine antagonizes what little effect butalbital would have, not to mention I think it's a retarded idea for a headache med, but ehh...

 

[ykm420]

Must be, first time taking 50mg with benzos and opiates I felt great. Today I took 350mg and hydrocodone, don't feel much from it.

 

[lorne667]

^^^ Don't get me wrong, it is still a barbituate, I have seen plenty of people high on it! It is just most don't enjoy it particularly, as it is a weaker barb, and as I said, the caffeine kind of messes with the effects. It it is a good potentiator, though.

 

[ykm420]

I'll post back when this hits me. I took 350 like I said, then I got some coke and IV'ed that. Then I came down and ate 300mg at once, which I was not doing. (ate 100mg, then 200mg, then 50mg). Hopefully the effects will be a lot better at once. I may eat a lorcet with it, we'll see as my night goes on. Going on an all night barb bender, being as I do not have school Monday, fuck it.

Edit, ate 800mg through the night (spaced out about 6-7 hours) didn't realize I just popped 400mg till I counted my pills.. Started with 23, now I have 9. Insane how fast these bastards go. Either or, I'm feeling the initial effect come on now. It's nearly 5am, so, I have a day of nothingness ahead of me . I'll keep posted. (keep in mind, this is my second time with barbs other than the time I ate 50mg). Also, have a high tolerance to benzos, and I'm addicted to opiates/oids.

Okay, so, my bed feels ohhhhh so comfy, my sheets feel like a sheep, and my body is heavy. When I lay down, I fall like a ton of bricks (I could stop this if I wanted to, but, that's far from my mind) I'm feeling euphoric in my legs and chest. I WANT MORE CAPTAIN COOK. I'm just laying down watching breaking bad. Time for opiates, god a shot of dope would top this off amazing.

Up to 1g Butalbital, waiting for this LAST dose to kick in, saving the rest for tomorrow with my morning dose of opiates. God I want a shot of dope or dilaudid.
Sorry, 1050mg Butalbital.

Just ate 40mg Hydrocodone. I love life, and I love you guys. I want to hang with everyone.

 

[xburtonchic]

^^^ Yeah ykm must be a rare breed. Personally, I think they are garbage as the caffeine antagonizes what little effect butalbital would have, not to mention I think it's a retarded idea for a headache med, but ehh...

How come? because of the addiction potential?
It does help with my concussion though. I'm not worried about addiction; they only prescribed me 15. I hate them anyways, so I try to take them only when my head feels like it's about to explode lol.

@ykm: Next time, just use the edit button if you want to add something else... the mods tend to dislike double posting... let alone quintuple posting lol Glad you're having a good time though, I wish they would affect me that way!

 

[AlphaOdure]

Is Fioricet really THAT addicting? What can I expect when I take it? Will there be any drug interactions between the Fioricet and the Suboxone, Xanax, or combination thereof?

All I can find on the internet is generic information and stories of people getting high from it, so that's not very helpful.

I have been on suboxone for ~5 years. I take 1750mg of butalbital (fioriect formula) daily. I transitioned from carisoprodol to fioricet, b/c I had serious tolerance & dependency issues w/ soma (20-25 pills daily). Although I am taking an absurd amount of fioricet, I do not find it euphoric (and certainly not so in normal therapeutic ranges, 50-100mg). In a sense... fioricet is to carisoprodol as buprenorphine is to heroin for me. I do notice anxiolytic properties, but nothing you should be alarmed over.. especially if you're only prescribed 15 pills and you take it as directed. If anything, the caffeine will give you more of an effect than the butalbital, especially if you have a tolerance to hypnotics/anxiolytics, w/ your xanax use.

As far as taking it w/ xanax; I also, coincidentally, have personal experience w/ combining it w/ both fioricet while on bupe therapy. I didn't find any noticeable interaction w/ the bupe; it did slightly increase the effects of the xanax, so be careful in your dosing. I do not take xanax often, or on a regular basis, at all.

Butalbital is an intermediate barbiturate & so it has a lower abuse potential. IME, intermediate & short acting benzodiazepines (from valium to xanax) have more abuse potential than butalbital. Hell, i'd say klonopin has more abuse-potential than butalbital.

 

[ykm420]

God damn, found out my absolute BESTFRIEND is leaving to move away, popped all my last ones.. Ended up eating 1300mg last night after I found out, with 40mg Hydrocodone. I was utterly and completely wrecked.
Edit: Sorry for posting so much, BL'ers, I was a lot higher than I thought. 1300 is my guess of how much I took at the minimum, COULD have been more, but, it was a huge dose. Felt like the coordination of popping lets say, 50 somas (which I have never done, nor would I, ha) Anyways, enjoy your barbs, this half-life is something else. I'm actually enjoying it, because after sleeping for 10+ hours, I took 40mg of Hydrocodone (Via greenbeans, 10-650 Lorcets, my favorite ones) about.. Erm 17 minutes ago, would be my guess, and I'm feeling like I just did IR Oxycodone. Heh, definitely NOT complaining. I picked my friend up, attempted to play Halo with him, which I could not, I couldn't even see straight, then I was like "1v1 me bitch, I'll smoke you!" Put the score to 25, I got 1 kill, he got up to 20, at which point he ended the game and I HAD to lay down, talking to him the whole time with my eyes shut. When I picked him up I was already in tears, and that didn't help when I saw him, but, I'm not going to down our last time together for awhile, so after hugging for awhile and me telling him how much I absolutely fucking love him (This was NOT the barbs talking, he is my best god damn friend, I'd die for him, without thinking twice) we drove back to my house, while I was apparently giving the middle finger WAY out the window, laughing hysterically with him. Ah, good times. I'll blame the barbs for that one..

 

[El Patron]

Just my 2 cents...IMO Fioricet is nothing to write home about, and I don't personally enjoy barbiturates in large doses as to me it's similar to being drunk and then very very tired.

I have found they are great for two things, headaches (duh), and hangovers. Fioricets destroy headaches and replace them with comfortable naps. The butalbital acts like the hair of the dog, the caffeine is your cup of coffee, and the aspirin and Tylenol are (admittedly weak) helpers for the headache. They make them with codeine, but when I'm hungover I take a Fioricet with a glass of water, an OxyContin 40mg, and a straight Oxycodone 30mg, and then house a plate of full English breakfast (extra baked beans), and find my way to the couch or bed, turn on the tv or music and take a glorious 4 hour nap. By that afternoon, all you need is a shower and a blowjob, and after that it doesn't really matter because it's been a pretty damn good day already.

 

[xburtonchic]

Just my 2 cents...IMO Fioricet is nothing to write home about, and I don't personally enjoy barbiturates in large doses as to me it's similar to being drunk and then very very tired.

I have found they are great for two things, headaches (duh), and hangovers. Fioricets destroy headaches and replace them with comfortable naps. The butalbital acts like the hair of the dog, the caffeine is your cup of coffee, and the aspirin and Tylenol are (admittedly weak) helpers for the headache. They make them with codeine, but when I'm hungover I take a Fioricet with a glass of water, an OxyContin 40mg, and a straight Oxycodone 30mg, and then house a plate of full English breakfast (extra baked beans), and find my way to the couch or bed, turn on the tv or music and take a glorious 4 hour nap. By that afternoon, all you need is a shower and a blowjob, and after that it doesn't really matter because it's been a pretty damn good day already.

lol this post was awesome. Except I'm a chick, so blowjobs aren't exactly on my agenda.. lol. But hmm looks like I'm going to have to keep the barbs around for the next time I have a hangover and try that shit. I still don't like it, so I was switched to Tramadol... which I happen to hate even more. Go figure. But there's nothing else I can take, really... opiates won't do a damn thing for me. I wish Suboxone was actually an effective pain reliever, but nooo. I've just been taking extra Suboxone to dull the headaches; they're not unbearable as it is. Unfortunately that means I'm going to run out early though. Of both the Xanax AND the Subs, because this concussion has increased my anxiety like crazy. Meh. :/

Guess I'll save both the barbs and the Trams for a rainy day. Like when I run out of my Subs and Xanax for instance. I don't know why, but I have a feeling Fioricet would work as an anti-convulsant in some way... I could be wrong, of course... but I don't notice the Xanax withdrawals as much when I take it (even though I'm taking more than I should, I'm still decreasing my dose as much as possible.) Like, I'm not as twitchy and I don't get that ridiculously uncomfortable numb feeling in weird places. So who knows, maybe it could come in handy.

FUCK the Trams though. I stupidly took seven of them at once the other day because I remember getting high from them one time back in the day, but it did not work this time for some reason. I woke up the next morning with a massive hangover, puking, no appetite... it was just horrible. Then again, I did mix it with Fioricet, Xanax, and Suboxone too... stupid idea. I'm probably lucky I didn't die.

I'm not sure what the point of this entire post was, except to illustrate how shitty prescription meds can be lol.

 

[sekio]

Fiorecet will substitute to some degree for benzodiazepines, barbiturates are just "dirtier" versions of the benzos anyway. Phenobarbital is still used as an anticonvulsant; in some respects it's really an older cousin of Klonopin.

 

[xburtonchic]

Fiorecet will substitute to some degree for benzodiazepines, barbiturates are just "dirtier" versions of the benzos anyway. Phenobarbital is still used as an anticonvulsant; in some respects it's really an older cousin of Klonopin.

That's what I thought. Different classes of drugs, but still basically the same. Kind of like how meth is just the dirtier version of Adderall, I guess? And how heroin is the dirtier version of Oxycontin? Idk but I see what you're getting at.

I've heard of phenobarbital, people have talked about it on here a few times. Doesn't that stuff get you extremely wasted and cause blackouts even in small amounts?

 

[sekio]

Not neccesarily, phenobarbital does have an ungodly long half life like 100 something hours though, so when you get bombed out you're staying that way for a good long time...

Barbiturates are truly much "dirtier" versions of benzos, they are a much more distant relative of them.. a better comparison is like alcohol to benzos. They're not in the same family and do not share the same direct action, but they do produce similar effects. It's much easier to have a sloppy overdose with alcohol/barbs, whereas most of the time a benzo overdose will simply black you out.

Another analogy would be like meth and cocaine/methylphenidate. 2 different chemical classes that produce the same effects, but one is much stronger.

 

[xburtonchic]

Not neccesarily, phenobarbital does have an ungodly long half life like 100 something hours though, so when you get bombed out you're staying that way for a good long time...

Barbiturates are truly much "dirtier" versions of benzos, they are a much more distant relative of them.. a better comparison is like alcohol to benzos. They're not in the same family and do not share the same direct action, but they do produce similar effects. It's much easier to have a sloppy overdose with alcohol/barbs, whereas most of the time a benzo overdose will simply black you out.

Another analogy would be like meth and cocaine/methylphenidate. 2 different chemical classes that produce the same effects, but one is much stronger.

Ungodly, indeed. Wtf? That is the longest half-life I have ever heard of in my life. I'm sure the withdrawals from that are pure hell... haha no thanks.

So, does that mean alcohol could essentially work as an anti-convulsant when one is going through benzo withdrawals? Or at the very least blunt or lower the risk of withdrawal symptoms?