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I need legal eyes on this! 25b-, 25c-, and 25i-NBOMes soon to be Scheduled in US...

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Anyway, 3 NBOMes are about to be scheduled in the US. On the DEA website it says in part:

" It is the intention of the Deputy Administrator to issue such a final order as soon as possible after the expiration of 30 days from the date of publication of this notice. 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe will then be subject to the regulatory controls and administrative, civil, and criminal sanctions applicable to the manufacture, distribution, possession, importation, exportation, research, and conduct of instructional activities of a Schedule I controlled substance under the CSA."

Doesn't this mean that the feds have to wait thirty days to enact civil and criminal penalties for putting hands on these things?
 
That is how I interpret the 'notice', yes. But I am not a jurist and I'm afraid we don't allow legal advice beyond this, so hopefully the matter is plain and simple to you (practically speaking, these things remain controversial of course...).

Before closing this thread it will merely be monitored closely while I confer, since it might be in the best interest of the community to be clear about the details of a ban.
 
Liquid Sunshine said:
I've never been alright with scheduling till today.
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Why? Some people like it. Were you forced to take it? Blame the prohibition of LSD if you got tricked. Banned drugs just seem to end up on black market anyway increasing the likelihood that nbomes may show up at a festival near you sold as acid. I don't see any reason to cheer an nbome ban. What about people that like it? I support their right to do a drug that I don't want to try. Bath salts were a gross drug I would never try either, then they get banned and start showing up in fake molly pills. Bans don't work, but not because every banned drug gets carried by black market, that's a myth and many do not. Drug bans suck because legal drugs that get banned get dumped en masse into the illegal drug supply sold as something else. It keeps happening every ban. You can't sell nbomes on SR anymore and, they are now banned, expect to see to see a lot of this stuff sold as acid now. There is nowhere else to get rid of it.
 
That's a rather odd way to do it. You would think they would emergency schedule it. To answer your question, they could have prosecuted for these substances any time that they wanted to due to the ridiculously loose definition of an analog, this is just a formality really. Technically speaking, this notice is really more for the suppliers of the chemicals to be on notice.

As for them ending up being sold as LSD becoming more prevalent with this law, there will be a spike for a bit but NBOMe's aren't exactly easy to synthesize so they will probably fade out once the supply is used up. Because of the sheer expense of making NBOMe's, I would give it a year before the NBOMe supply dries up but honestly, I wouldn't ever expect to see LSD again except in close circles. There is way too much development going on in the lucrative high-potency research chemical business.

What this WILL do, however, is promote the creation of even more dangerous chemicals to take their place just like what has happened with the cannabinoids and all the damn beta-ketones......
 
Personally I think bans do work it makes it a crime to ship to the U.S. So distributors can't ship it, I've personally experienced 25i NBOMe and 25c NBOMe both were very potent substances dosing accurately was almost impossible, I had an overwhelming experience because of inaccurate dosing. If a strong dose is only 1/3 of a mg than what happens if someone took 3-4 blotters that's .7mg to 1mg, that's 3х as strong of a strong dose! There in for one hell of a ride.. If someone mistakes bags and took 20-30mg.. And bam 15mins of a horrifying death trip and then there heart stops. All I'm saying is this is a dangerous chemical due too potency and a ban would save a lot of lives.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
That's a rather odd way to do it. You would think they would emergency schedule it. To answer your question, they could have prosecuted for these substances any time that they wanted to due to the ridiculously loose definition of an analog, this is just a formality really. Technically speaking, this notice is really more for the suppliers of the chemicals to be on notice.

As for them ending up being sold as LSD becoming more prevalent with this law, there will be a spike for a bit but NBOMe's aren't exactly easy to synthesize so they will probably fade out once the supply is used up. Because of the sheer expense of making NBOMe's, I would give it a year before the NBOMe supply dries up but honestly, I wouldn't ever expect to see LSD again except in close circles. There is way too much development going on in the lucrative high-potency research chemical business.

What this WILL do, however, is promote the creation of even more dangerous chemicals to take their place just like what has happened with the cannabinoids and all the damn beta-ketones......
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Ehh? The NBOMe's are ridiculously easy to synthesize. Easy and cheap. I expect there will be black market for them....likely not the scope of the grey market, but they are a helluva lot easier to synth than LSD...and no scheduled precursors. And LSD seems to be more prevalent than it has in years....the international chemical trade has opened up many doors, not just for "RC's"....
 
The DEA failed to also ban NBOH compounds, which are pretty much exactly the same. Their analogue act might cover it though I guess. In the UK vendors just switched over to NBOH blotters.
 
Solipsis said:
That is how I interpret the 'notice', yes. But I am not a jurist and I'm afraid we don't allow legal advice beyond this, so hopefully the matter is plain and simple to you (practically speaking, these things remain controversial of course...).

Before closing this thread it will merely be monitored closely while I confer, since it might be in the best interest of the community to be clear about the details of a ban.
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This thread seems to me to call for a discussion of the administrative rule-making process in the U.S. -- not the giving and receiving of legal advice(?) Anyway, before it gets closed for whatever reason, here's my take:

Administrative rule-making of all sorts is generally subject to a notice and comment period. That's to allow the public an opportunity to come forward and say, "no, wait, you're making a huge mistake." If I were so inclined, I could write a letter to the DEA and express my belief that synthetic phenethylamines cure cancer -- or whatever belief I wanted to express. Comment periods in certain areas (banking, for example) can get drawn out for months and even years before final rules are issued. Before the end of that period, there are no new rules -- just proposed rules.

All that said, the DEA doesn't seem terribly serious about receiving comments, here. (30 days?) It's fulfilling a statutory obligation that it may or may not have. (I say "may or may not have" because there are lots of carve-outs that would enable the agency to take immediate action.) Here, the notice and comment period will end after 30 days, at which point (specifically, November 12), the DEA is very very very likely (IMO) to issue a final order of temporary ban, assigning these three chemicals to Schedule I for two years with a possible one-year extension. At least that's how I read this entry in the Federal Register: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-10-10/html/2013-24432.htm
 
amanitadine said:
Ehh? The NBOMe's are ridiculously easy to synthesize. Easy and cheap. I expect there will be black market for them....likely not the scope of the grey market, but they are a helluva lot easier to synth than LSD...and no scheduled precursors. And LSD seems to be more prevalent than it has in years....the international chemical trade has opened up many doors, not just for "RC's"....
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Maybe they found a different way to make them but the method that one lab was using involved needing to have the original 2-carbon phenethylamine as a starting point and this was the problem because many of them are illegal in the countries with the great labs. Obviously not a problem for China but Chinese labs are a discussion for a whole other thread...

Either way, the only NBOMe I ever had was 25C and I only had it once because a buddy who was vending at the time shot me a blotter with a couple of other things he sent me for sampling when I had a large order of methylone from him - I ate both blotters and had the time of my life but never ordered more. It was not toxic at all to me, just like I found with 2C-C years and years ago. The DEA needs better things to waste tax money on........

I've never been a fan of LSD but that's probably more of a quality issue than anything else.
 
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