Opioids I need help, badly...

[-Guido-]

There is going to come a time OP when you can't get those pills and someone is going to either offer heroin to you or you are going to go look for it. You'll start off by sniffing it but after a while sniffing it won't do shit and you will start banging it. After that, your whole business is going to go right up into your arm.

You said you got a business right? Well that means you got the cash so go on Suboxone maintenance or since you habit is so small go on a supervised Suboxone taper.

 

[fizzymk]

Hey guys, thanks for all the responses. I am withdrawing right now and I am writing this with my body aching, fuck it is bad. I have already planned out my hobbies to include gym and martial arts classes as I was a fighter for about 6 years, and it has been about 8 months since I have stopped all these activities and fell into an everyday use hole.

I had read about MXE and was quite interested. Problem is, I am in Australia and I can not find it. I also can not buy it off the internet as customs will cease?? Or am I wrong on this??
Kratom, I am not really interested in as it is just another opiate agonist. MXE, I am interested in. Alcohol, I just HATE, I would rather stay sober I swear.

This is day two clean, and I have around 5 Xanax 2mg that I can use to sleep, but I would NOT use a benzo everyday, as I have felt what a three week use withdrawal felt like and....no lol

I am paying for the pills because I own a construction business and bring in a good amount of money. I usually gets the 5mg Endones, thus I can not really use a large amount as that would use up the rest of the week doses.

@ Moeron, you know what man, I had actually thought of that exact same plan LOL....

Any more suggestions would be nice, especially on MXE - is it really readily available?

I found Xanax works pretty good for WDs, as it takes alot of the anxiety away, I hate that constant anxious feeling when wd'ing LOL, but since i take methadone, I really cant take much xanax,(dangerous combo).

I agree about alcohol, I tried that once when going thru wds, and I felt worse, my stomach started cramping very bad and I literally wanted to die...I layed in bed for about 3 hours straight, all tensed up, clenching the sheets, it hurt so bad!!! And even if you do get a little buzz from alcohol while wd'ing, it will not make the wds go away, you will still feel them full intensity!

I also want to know more about MXE, Ive never heard of it, but assume its something along the lines of that fake pot stuff.

Is it just me, or does it seem like someone, somewhere would have come up with a synthetic chemical or compound that mimics opiates, they have synthetic pot already, how hard is it to kind of find a similar chemical make up to opiates? LOL I wish something like this would come out!! The people that make that fake pot shit are probably from china, and probably very smart about such things...how long before they create a fake opiate in your alls opinion? Im sure they are aware of the demand and if they did (and it was good), they would be billionaires!

If anyone knows of any fake opiates, please post here.

Thanks

 

[teological]

I've little to no sympathy for you OP.

You're recreationally using drugs for fun, you don't want to use opioids or benzo's so you're asking what else there is on the market that you can get high on.

Addiction is a serious disease. You are not an addict. You're just mucking about with drugs to get high and making it out as if you have a problem.

My advice? Get a hobby and grow up.

Well, I am not going to lie, but your statement seems accurate. Like I do not do the oxy because I am going to get sick and need to get well, I do my drugs for fun. I really enjoy taking a drug and playing a video game for the night or watching a movie, so yes, I am recreational. But why is this not a problem? I CAN NOT STOP. I can not play a video game, watch a movie or play with my pet dog unless I am high. I have quit all the sports I used to do so I could get high earlier in the day. If I can not get high, I feel like climbing the walls or run around in circles or blow my own head off.

The only time when I do not feel like getting high are the morning work days, once I get home, GAME OVER. It has been 5+ years with opiates and almost 10 years with all other drugs, how is this not a problem? Why am I NOT AN ADDICT? Cos I get high and try have fun? Hobby or not, once I am home at night, I need something to get high off....

Fizzymk, I think there is man. There is a benzo RC called etizolam and an opioid one called JWH I think.

All I need is a replacement drug so I can stop the god damn opiates, and then once I break the cycle maybe use them more sparingly, that is my hope. Today is day 3 clean off opiates and I have almost finished withdrawing... thing is DAY 1 - Phenibut + 300mgDXM DAY 2 6mg Xanax Day 3(today) Phenibut and 2mg Xanax with lots of ciggies....see what I mean, clean off OPIATES not drugs.

So MXE, does anyone have any idea of availability in Australia? (not sourcing, just give a general statement and experience).....I have also recently seen those new ANTI-ENERGY drinks with natural calming ingredients....if they indeed relax you, may have a winner. The high does not have to be intense, just a little more relaxed than being sober.....what you guys think?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I found Xanax works pretty good for WDs, as it takes alot of the anxiety away, I hate that constant anxious feeling when wd'ing LOL, but since i take methadone, I really cant take much xanax,(dangerous combo).

I agree about alcohol, I tried that once when going thru wds, and I felt worse, my stomach started cramping very bad and I literally wanted to die...I layed in bed for about 3 hours straight, all tensed up, clenching the sheets, it hurt so bad!!! And even if you do get a little buzz from alcohol while wd'ing, it will not make the wds go away, you will still feel them full intensity!

I also want to know more about MXE, Ive never heard of it, but assume its something along the lines of that fake pot stuff.

Is it just me, or does it seem like someone, somewhere would have come up with a synthetic chemical or compound that mimics opiates, they have synthetic pot already, how hard is it to kind of find a similar chemical make up to opiates? LOL I wish something like this would come out!! The people that make that fake pot shit are probably from china, and probably very smart about such things...how long before they create a fake opiate in your alls opinion? Im sure they are aware of the demand and if they did (and it was good), they would be billionaires!

If anyone knows of any fake opiates, please post here.

Thanks

mxe has nothing to do with synthetic cannabinoids, they work on totally different parts of the brain.

if its shooting up that you are addicted to, mxe actually works well as a "substitute" to that habit (shooting mxe ) that is if you can stand the weirdness/psychedelic aspect of it

 

[LucidSDreamr]

also, there are plenty of synthetic opioids out there....propoxyphene, fentanyl, tramadol ,methadone....the list goes on...the people that invented them did not get any money, the owner of the companies they worked for that knew nothing about pharmacology or drugs, just about how to invest became the multi billionaires (they were already billionaires)


they are still a very long way off (scientifically) from designing drugs that hit opiate receptors, cause analgesia, that are not addictive like opiates. this is probably impossible and will require a lot of other pharmacology tweaking besides just hitting opiate receptors

 

[love10s]

I myself am in a similar situation however it did start as fun it has not ended up that way. I have Adhd and PTSD and depression and anxiety as it is. I am prescribed klonopin and adderall amongst others which I take as directed. I've actually recently been selling the klonopin to further fund my ridiculous opiate addiction. Its hydros, oxys IR & ER, I've taken every pill form of opiate I have found to combat the withdrawals. I hate that I let myself get to this point. I dose before I fall asleep and wake up 4-6 hrs later with RLS and migraines and hot sweats. I have attempted detox unsuccessfully several times. I want to go on suboxone or methadone I'm not sure what's the better option. I just want to stop spending every penny I earn to stay high. At this point my highs are minimal very little euphoria and mainly I continue use to stop the pain. My life just utterly sucks right now.

 

[fizzymk]

I myself am in a similar situation however it did start as fun it has not ended up that way. I have Adhd and PTSD and depression and anxiety as it is. I am prescribed klonopin and adderall amongst others which I take as directed. I've actually recently been selling the klonopin to further fund my ridiculous opiate addiction. Its hydros, oxys IR & ER, I've taken every pill form of opiate I have found to combat the withdrawals. I hate that I let myself get to this point. I dose before I fall asleep and wake up 4-6 hrs later with RLS and migraines and hot sweats. I have attempted detox unsuccessfully several times. I want to go on suboxone or methadone I'm not sure what's the better option. I just want to stop spending every penny I earn to stay high. At this point my highs are minimal very little euphoria and mainly I continue use to stop the pain. My life just utterly sucks right now.

I know exactly what your going thru, and I imagine others on here do too, life sucks living this way. Ya know, I used to have hobbies, I could weld and fabricate, and could build just about anything, Ive even sold some things on ebay that people loved, I probably could have started a good business, but I dont have any hobbies today, and really have no interests anymore(except Heroin), and all my tools went up for sale some years ago when I needed a quick buck...guess what..90% of that money was spent on dope that night, thought the amount I bought would last 7 days, ended up lasting me 4!!! I have NO control, if I have the drug, It is hard for me to use sparingly...yeah, life sucks.

DO NOT go on methadone...trust me, this is jumping from the pan into the fire!! I would almost say Heroin would be better to use than methadone...thats how bad your life will be on methadone...its a nasty drug, with a nasty half life, and when you burn thru your script of methadone, you WILL go score Heroin, the wds will get very bad and the only thing that will take it away is H, and prepare to use alot of H if the methadone is still in your system as it blocks the H, so H will take the wds away, but wont get you high, (until about 5 days without taking any methadone)

I remember when I got my first script, it was vicodin 7.5, I could take 1 or 2 and feel GREAT for half the day!! LOL and I used to keep them for weekends and other special times, but eventually, I said fuck it and wanted to feel great every day, then I wanted to feel great as soon as I woke up until I went to bed, and vicodins only do the job for so long, then you gotta do more or jump to something else, usually percocet, repeat the process and move on to Heroin then! welcome to the big leagues LOL!!

I just want to stress to you to NOT even try methadone, you will like the feeling it gives you, so dont say, Oh ill try it once and then go from there, theres no taking one and stopping! Id go to subs, even though Im not a big fan of them, they made my wds worse when I took one, but works different on everyone.

Good luck.

 

[teological]

I just want to stress to you to NOT even try methadone, you will like the feeling it gives you, so dont say, Oh ill try it once and then go from there, theres no taking one and stopping! Id go to subs, even though Im not a big fan of them, they made my wds worse when I took one, but works different on everyone.

Good luck.

Fizzy, I have long pondered the feeling one gets from MMT. So, just say i use 30mg of oxy a day, never go above or below that dose, I would always get high from the first dose of the day....is Methadone similar? Like does every morning dose you get from the chemist at least give you a bit of a glow?? Or does it eventually just become absolute stone cold sober and just not getting sick? Please be truthful...because I usually read people say that there is no high or glow to it, you just don't withdraw but stay sober. I get the feeling that this is trying to cover it up so that the government doesn't ban using Methadone on opiate addicts?? Just like when true pain patients say they do not get high on their dose because it all goes to their pain, which is a massive crock of shit, and is just to cover them up and pretend they don't feel anything....I have been a true opiate pain patient before for surgeries and such for a while (how I found them), and I was getting high and warm on every dose...

Please if anyone else can add to this and give some meaningful TRUE answers with regards to MMT, thanks....

also do you guys think I am an addict and I have got a problem here?

 

[Eveleivibe]

Hiya Teoligical (love the name, by the way),

I empathise. I had a codeine addiction, taking 800mg per day, sometimes maybe more. OxyContin are very strong so I have heard n the withdrawals from them are not nice. Have you sought out any external support for this? I mean do you have a local drugs n alcohol facility nearby? I'm sorry, I don't know where you are from to know what support you can get I'm assuming the US? I'm from the UK. I may do some research on support in the US so I can help people.

Have you thought about opiate replacement therapy eg suboxone? Suboxone is amazing. It doesn't get you high but it gives you your life back. I'm here anytime if you need someone to talk to n you will receive a lot of help n support at Bluelight. Welcome

Take care
Evey

PS: sorry I couldn't help further.

 

[fizzymk]

Fizzy, I have long pondered the feeling one gets from MMT. So, just say i use 30mg of oxy a day, never go above or below that dose, I would always get high from the first dose of the day....is Methadone similar? Like does every morning dose you get from the chemist at least give you a bit of a glow?? Or does it eventually just become absolute stone cold sober and just not getting sick? Please be truthful...because I usually read people say that there is no high or glow to it, you just don't withdraw but stay sober. I get the feeling that this is trying to cover it up so that the government doesn't ban using Methadone on opiate addicts?? Just like when true pain patients say they do not get high on their dose because it all goes to their pain, which is a massive crock of shit, and is just to cover them up and pretend they don't feel anything....I have been a true opiate pain patient before for surgeries and such for a while (how I found them), and I was getting high and warm on every dose...

Please if anyone else can add to this and give some meaningful TRUE answers with regards to MMT, thanks....

also do you guys think I am an addict and I have got a problem here?

It takes YEARS to build up a tolerance with methadone, and yes, if you take..say 15-20mg each morning, day after day, the feeling will NOT get weaker and weaker(like every other opiate out there), and will be consistent each day, I like that it is long-acting, a dose lasts anywhere from 3-5 hours.

If I take 20-30 mg dose of methadone, it definitely gets me feeling good, but its not as good as H, Ive heard some people say it takes time to build up in your system and others say their first time was great, so I think it is different with everyone, but methadone is a VERY strong narcotic, some may need to experiment with dosing amounts tho to find out what dose fixes them up, but once you find the amount, it will be consistent each time, just be careful going over 40-50mg at once, methadone can kill easily!

I recently found out how methadone came to exist, it was created back during world war 2, a nazi officer was hooked on heroin and knew he would be transferred somewhere where he worried he could not get the drug, so he had German chemists come up with something similar to heroin, so he would 'stay well', methadone is what they came up with!!(wouldnt that be nice if we had the power to command chemists to do our bidding?...Id ask for a strong as Heroin med, that lasts at least 12-15 hours, that stopping its use does not result in horrible sickness...its 2013 now, we should be able to create something like this by now))

Hope this helps.

 

[teological]

It takes YEARS to build up a tolerance with methadone, and yes, if you take..say 15-20mg each morning, day after day, the feeling will NOT get weaker and weaker(like every other opiate out there), and will be consistent each day, I like that it is long-acting, a dose lasts anywhere from 3-5 hours.
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Fizzy, thanks for your input. Now I know I am flogging a dead horse here and repeating information, but I just want to confirm....SO if I do go on MMT (methadone) through the government, I will still be getting high daily on each dose? So, in effect, I am legally getting high everyday, only difference is I pay the pharmacist instead of my dealers? Can anyone else confirm this?

Thanks.

 

[Blind Melon]

Welcome to my life.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Are you wanting to get high daily or just enquiring whether methadone will get you high? If you want to get high then why even bother with a script because a script is for someone wishing to overcome their opiate addiction - n not to get high from it. I'm not judging you or having a go at you, just trying to get the bigger picture.

 

[balcony]

I am going to take a guess and say you hooked up with a dealer ( relationship wise). If that is the case, I would break off the relationship and move get a roommate or a place of your own that does not have an endless supply of opiates.

 

[fizzymk]

Fizzy, thanks for your input. Now I know I am flogging a dead horse here and repeating information, but I just want to confirm....SO if I do go on MMT (methadone) through the government, I will still be getting high daily on each dose? So, in effect, I am legally getting high everyday, only difference is I pay the pharmacist instead of my dealers? Can anyone else confirm this?

Thanks.

Well. it depends on your particular dosage, When I was started on Methadone, they gave me 5mg, I did not even feel it, so then they told me to take 10mg, I still did get much off that, finally, they told me to take 15 mg, and I felt pretty good from this, but my ex-GF could take half a 10mg pill, and it would nearly knock her out, she was nodding on 5mg, so everyones system is different, but YES, methadone is a narcotic and does make a person feel good from taking it(as long as you take the right amount of it). However it is not comparable to a Heroin rush(nothing beats that), but methadone still gives feelings of euphoria and takes away any body aches and pains.

Methadone is also one of the cheapest narcotics, my script is around $20. per month!!

One other thing, if you intend to use methadone AND still use Heroin here and there, methadone blocks out the H effect, so you either have to wait out the methadone half life (3-6 days), or just accept the fact ANY H you take when methadone is still in your body, will only take away WDs and not get you high, also have to be careful mixing the 2, as alot of people end up overdosing, as they arent feeling the H and keep taking more and more, they dont realize the methadone is blocking the effects, but the H is still effecting their body inside.

Good luck, feel free to ask anything else you may want to know about methadone too.

 

[Stargazer]

OP, I have to agree it's not fair for anyone to tell you whether or not you're an addict. I read your posts...I feel you. I think it's just your light-hearted "lol" kind of statements...when many of us have a $200.00/day habit, and cannot get out of bed and into the shower without a large dose of opiates, maybe that's what's upsetting or confusing some posters.

There are drugs you could do besides any mentioned....they may even be sold otc in your country. But, I'm not going to be the person to tell another human being how to aquire a bad habit, and more problems. The guy who I get my H from? He was supposed to be my friend. I have spent $50,000.00, yes fifty thousand dollars, to date on dope from my "friend" who makes $110.00 everyday off of me, for fifteen minutes of his time. I am going broke. I give a crap. I would never ever be the first person to turn someone on to a drug, nor would I wave drugs around an addict. Go on maintainence, go to your Dr., tell him to put you on something to relieve the anxiety and restlessness your feeling. And I don't mean some xanax that works for two hours...and you already know how fast you need more to get the same effect. Ask for a medication, non narcotic, that gets to the core of your anxiety. Find a good counselor that you really connect with, I am miserable this way. There is no fun in this.I think I just answered myself too. Best to you.

 

[Stargazer]

Sidenote: I was on methadone for about five yrs....it didn't work well for me because I'm an abberhant (sp?) metabolizer. I should've been "split-dosing" I was on 120mgday, I should've dosed on aboug 80mg in the morning, and the rest in the afternoon. Without fail, everyday at 4pm I would get sick...up all night pacing until 5am...I asked my counselor about it numerous times.

The irony of the whole damn thing is I was a model patient...not one hot urine ever etc. The Dr. that was the director of the clinic called me into his office and asked me "Why are you here?" I said 'chronic pain"....I HATED pills, etc. But pain won enventually. It's unbearable. Anyway I was prescribed oxycontin, and told it was non-addictive....as sick as that is I was smiling as I typed that last sentence. Well played Purdue, well played. You produced millions of addicts.

My point though, I saw hundreds of lives changed for the better. Heroin addicts that held down jobs, mothers able to be mothers again etc. So, I know all about methadone maintenance and think it's a good thing. It's not going to stop that anxiety though. Find out why you feel it, and try to put an end to the best you can.

 

[teological]

Are you wanting to get high daily or just enquiring whether methadone will get you high? If you want to get high then why even bother with a script because a script is for someone wishing to overcome their opiate addiction - n not to get high from it. I'm not judging you or having a go at you, just trying to get the bigger picture.

I want to get high daily, without going broke or doing anything illegal. I am thinking about bothering with a script, so I can leave the illegal rotation of acquiring drugs, I can save some money and also feel at ease that I do not have to WD if I do not want to...

Good luck, feel free to ask anything else you may want to know about methadone too.

Fizzy, see I was under the impression that you do not actually get high, but just maintain the WDs from occurring but still remain sober...now that I know the people on MMT are indeed getting some sort of glow/high (I know that it won't rush like heroin) I am thinking about going to my doctor...

I am going to take a guess and say you hooked up with a dealer ( relationship wise). If that is the case, I would break off the relationship and move get a roommate or a place of your own that does not have an endless supply of opiates.

I have more than one dealer, and I am particularly close with two of them on a personal level. I am not sure If I can break it off, the intense feeling of wanting to get high is very hard, very intense.

My point though, I saw hundreds of lives changed for the better. Heroin addicts that held down jobs, mothers able to be mothers again etc. So, I know all about methadone maintenance and think it's a good thing. It's not going to stop that anxiety though. Find out why you feel it, and try to put an end to the best you can.

Yeah, see if I do get some sort of a high off it every morning, it will fill in that getting high anxiety. All I need is something that gives me a good feeling, can be very weak, but I'll still be happy. I can not live sober, no way. I understand what you mean about people like you who have very hardcore habits getting frustrated...I am sorry, but I can guarantee that no one on this planet is more psychologically addicted to substances than me...not possible as I am a benchmark...trust me if I found heroin and could IV, I would be exactly as hardcore...I have that personality. I know why I feel it, I have had a hard life for decades...I need something at night at least.

 

[missmeyet?]

Well, I am not going to lie, but your statement seems accurate. Like I do not do the oxy because I am going to get sick and need to get well, I do my drugs for fun. I really enjoy taking a drug and playing a video game for the night or watching a movie, so yes, I am recreational. But why is this not a problem? I CAN NOT STOP. I can not play a video game, watch a movie or play with my pet dog unless I am high. I have quit all the sports I used to do so I could get high earlier in the day. If I can not get high, I feel like climbing the walls or run around in circles or blow my own head off.

The only time when I do not feel like getting high are the morning work days, once I get home, GAME OVER. It has been 5+ years with opiates and almost 10 years with all other drugs, how is this not a problem? Why am I NOT AN ADDICT? Cos I get high and try have fun? Hobby or not, once I am home at night, I need something to get high off....

Fizzymk, I think there is man. There is a benzo RC called etizolam and an opioid one called JWH I think.

All I need is a replacement drug so I can stop the god damn opiates, and then once I break the cycle maybe use them more sparingly, that is my hope. Today is day 3 clean off opiates and I have almost finished withdrawing... thing is DAY 1 - Phenibut + 300mgDXM DAY 2 6mg Xanax Day 3(today) Phenibut and 2mg Xanax with lots of ciggies....see what I mean, clean off OPIATES not drugs.

So MXE, does anyone have any idea of availability in Australia? (not sourcing, just give a general statement and experience).....I have also recently seen those new ANTI-ENERGY drinks with natural calming ingredients....if they indeed relax you, may have a winner. The high does not have to be intense, just a little more relaxed than being sober.....what you guys think?

Well, i think that the statement that Rybee made is way out of line. How many people start addiction in exactly the way the OP is describing? Many, many, many is the answer. I too, do not see how he is not at the beginning of addiction...when you cant stop, whether it is physical or psychological, then that is a facet of addiction.

My heart aches for you though, OP, because no matter which drug you choose in the end, they are all going to lead down the same road. I have no answers for you as I am an addict. I started, as you are were saying above about just getting a legal script from a doc, on a pain managament script for many years. Then due to many circumstances, including being on meds for 10 years and my tolerance greatly increasing, moving to a new state then having difficulties finding a doc willing to continue me on the same amount of meds,etc, etc, I am now also a heroin addict by way of IV. For me personally, there is no drug that will replace my habit, other than other opiates/opioids.

 

[qwe]

i got really high on methadone when i switched to MMT, at first, around 40mg. they let me go as high as i wanted to with the dose because i metabolized it quickly enough to feel a little sick at night. after a while i no longer was getting very high from it and i raised it to eventually 95mg. it was a while ago, i can't remember if i still got a "little relaxed" like you say you want from each dose after a long time on it or if it didn't do anything at all, but it's not like another poster said, it doesn't keep getting you really high for years, it does build tolerance.

eventually i switched to suboxone, which didn't get me high but prevented me from getting sick. i was able to taper that sorta easily.