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sekio said:
2-aminoheptane is actually a stimulant, strangely, so that may not be too far off.
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And it doesn't seem too large, so it's possible it could be attached to an aromatic compound and not effect the sublimity.
 
ShaggyFin said:
The thread started with a discussion about creating aromatic compounds via what I was calling "Beta Ketoning" and everyone keeps harping on me on for not ever correcting myself and saying "Adding a Ketone in the Beta position". I get it. I have been corrected.
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Sekio made several specific points about the chemistry you were discussing that you haven't engaged; I'd consider rereading his posts in this thread. Also, I think that the decision to fold in your topic (which was essentially a repost of a prior closed thread) with this thread made a great deal of sense: this thread is for discussion of random molecular structures posed with little rationale, which is essentially what you were doing.

ebola
 
Indeed DMAA is found in geraniums, so I can see the geraniol link.

The DMAA structure basically contains carbons linked in the same sort of pattern as amphetamine so it has a carbon that would match the beta position in amphetamine. So that is where TNW put a keto and nowhere else.

Neat man :)

@SF: why and where would you want to attach an aromatic compound to it - please explain...
 
ebola? said:
Sekio made several specific points about the chemistry you were discussing that you haven't engaged; I'd consider rereading his posts in this thread. Also, I think that the decision to fold in your topic (which was essentially a repost of a prior closed thread) with this thread made a great deal of sense: this thread is for discussion of random molecular structures posed with little rationale, which is essentially what you were doing.

ebola
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I will go back and read.

And I am not saying it was a bad decision to merge, I actually like the idea of people inventing their own things based on what I thought maybe could happen. Once I get my books and start theoretically playing with the Damascone and Myrcene Molecules, I hope that other people will find opportunities to play with structures from foods and plants they like. And we can have a future where drugs and alluring perfumes are one in the same.

thenightwatch said:
"sublimity" made me lol heh. it definitely got your point across. :) but the word you were looking for is "volatility" i believe.
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I understand that people talk a certain way in labs, but that scares people that hear about things made in labs. I understand this is pretentious but I want to make chemistry something that people are more comfortable with.

Solipsis said:
Indeed DMAA is found in geraniums, so I can see the geraniol link.

The DMAA structure basically contains carbons linked in the same sort of pattern as amphetamine so it has a carbon that would match the beta position in amphetamine. So that is where TNW put a keto and nowhere else.

Neat man :)

@SF: why and where would you want to attach an aromatic compound to it - please explain...
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That is awesome. So 2 natural compounds could end up working together if DMMA is natural.

Attaching it to an aromatic compound would make it where the user could just have a small vial and take "wafts" of the substance. That way we can have a culture surrounding it that is not too "junky-ish". They won't be tieing off and doing rails. They will just be taking a few little sniffs for some pep, like coffee.
 
I understand that people talk a certain way in labs, but that scares people that hear about things made in labs. I understand this is pretentious but I want to make chemistry something that people are more comfortable with.
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You're not going to do that by making it impossible for anyone to understand you and talking like ye olde alchemysts. The jargon of chemistry exists for a reason, there are some complex concepts that are touched on.
 
they're not going to allow much more on the market in the way of inhalant stimulants. i'm surprised Benzedrex hasn't already been pulled from the market.
 
sekio said:
You're not going to do that by making it impossible for anyone to understand you and talking like ye olde alchemysts. The jargon of chemistry exists for a reason, there are some complex concepts that are touched on.
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I understand there are certain names for certain things that make it where you can instantly understand what is happening. And when I get the books, I will all the sudden start using correct terms for different reactions, and talking about moles and all that bullshit.

I really don't want to stop using the word "Sublimity" though because having a class of "Sublime Drugs" is what I am aiming for over the next 20 or so years.

Also, adding the DMMA to an aromatic compound could give it better reach across the Blood Brain Barrier.

thenightwatch said:
they're not going to allow much more on the market in the way of inhalant stimulants. i'm surprised Benzedrex hasn't already been pulled from the market.
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Again, I understand the pretentiousness of what I am saying. But I hope to create a middle ground between the fragrance and drug markets. Women want to make people feel things with the way they smell, and we can do that now.
 
^ the structured i posted was based on DMAA, not DMMA btw.

re: women making people feel the way they smell.... i wonder if there are Oxytocin perfumes on the market.

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my molecule from earlier, now cyclized for added toxicity:

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thenightwatch said:
^ the structured i posted was based on DMAA, not DMMA btw.

re: women making people feel the way they smell.... i wonder if there are Oxytocin perfumes on the market.

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my molecule from earlier, now cyclized for added toxicity:

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I totally know they have Oxytocin, and Mavicine or something like that, and others. Even Damascone is supposed to be an extremely potent ingredient.

But let's put Oxytocin on Myrcene, then see what happens.
 
ShaggyFin: what do you think aromatic compounds are?

Can you give an example of an aromatic compound in the sense you meant?

By that I mean: why are you talking about taking wafts etc:

ShaggyFin said:
Attaching it to an aromatic compound would make it where the user could just have a small vial and take "wafts" of the substance. That way we can have a culture surrounding it that is not too "junky-ish". They won't be tieing off and doing rails. They will just be taking a few little sniffs for some pep, like coffee.
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Solipsis said:
ShaggyFin: what do you think aromatic compounds are?
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They are basically what we are talking about, minus the part where I said we should toy with the idea of adding things like 5-HTP to their extra spots, hence "Sublime Drugs".

Solipsis said:
By that I mean: why are you talking about taking wafts etc:
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I have been potentiating my Marijuana with Myrcene, so I was thinking "What if we slap THC and Myrcene together?" and that is what led me to the thoughts. THC is huge, and would probably be solid, but it would still have great ability to cross the BBB.

Then from there I thought about things like Opiod Peptide sniffers for addicts, instead of Methadone to get them high for a week.
 
Let me just lay it out anyway. It seems you are under the impression that aromatic compounds are chemicals that evaporate easily so that you can inhale them in wafts.

This is incorrect. Aromatic compounds are what they call chemicals that have a benzene-ring (also called phenyl ring) in their structure. Look up benzene ring.
The word you are looking for is ethereal or volatile.

Also will you finally abandon the idea of joining known active substance molecules together to create some sort of hybrid / siamese twins Frankenstein style? By now it has been explained countless times that is not how chemistry works.
Unless we are still doing things at random or just to have a laugh of course.

If you bind one chemical A with properties A to chemical B with properties B we do not get a chemical AB that has the properties of A and B added together. It forms a totally new chemical with - you can expect hardly related - properties C.
If you want to have the properties of A and B you just need to mix chemicals A and B together, this does not involve binding or any chemical reactions, just mixing like stirring.
 
^ indeed.

perhaps in simpler terms, shaggy -- whether or not a compound is "aromatic" in the chemical sense has nothing to do with whether or not it has a smell. "aromatic" as a chemistry term is different than "aromatic" in its other day-to-day usage.

there are aromatic chemicals that have no smell, and there are non-aromatic chemicals that reek.
 
Solipsis said:
Let me just lay it out anyway. It seems you are under the impression that aromatic compounds are chemicals that evaporate easily so that you can inhale them in wafts.

This is incorrect. Aromatic compounds are what they call chemicals that have a benzene-ring (also called phenyl ring) in their structure. Look up benzene ring.
The word you are looking for is ethereal or volatile.

Also will you finally abandon the idea of joining known active substance molecules together to create some sort of hybrid / siamese twins Frankenstein style? By now it has been explained countless times that is not how chemistry works.
Unless we are still doing things at random or just to have a laugh of course.
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I understand that we can not expect to put a 5-HTP molecule on a Damascone, and suddenly have liquid that smells like roses and makes you happy. But we can see what happens, and we can create designer smells. So I am down for it.
 
thenightwatch said:
^ indeed.

perhaps in simpler terms, shaggy -- whether or not a compound is "aromatic" in the chemical sense has nothing to do with whether or not it has a smell. "aromatic" as a chemistry term is different than "aromatic" in its other day-to-day usage.

there are aromatic chemicals that have no smell, and there are non-aromatic chemicals that reek.
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When I say "Aromatic Compounds" I just mean the materials listed as "Backbones" here.
http://theresearchplanet.blogspot.com/2014/03/aromatic-compounds.html
 
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