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I got pcPP from a vendor and quessing what it is?
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ebola?
Bluelight Crew
A search for the CAS number reveals: 1-(4-Chlorophenyl)piperazine,. Its human use is not well known, though there has been research on closely related piperazines.
Please tread with caution, and start your substance low.
ebola
negrogesic
Bluelight Crew
This does not look promising, but who knows, it might kill intestinal parasites.....
sekio
Bluelight Crew
The meta- version of this is infamous for being a member of the piperazine ripoff club. I suspect that this would produce similar effects i.e. headaches and nausea. Throw it out.
/navarone/
Bluelighter
Isn't that analogous to that feared trazodone metabolite? A shift in position 'could' change activity quite a bit but I still wouldn't expect anything safe or worthwhile from this one either.
What should you do with it? I dunno.
Try buying a guinea pig, put that crap in his water and wait till he starts tripping....LOL...he might like it and come back for more...HAHA! (Joking)
FlippingTop
Bluelighter
I personally loved mcPP, and so did all of my friends. Pink smileys...
Although many/most others despised it.
I have not been able to find it since though
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
I take trazodone all the time and I usually am nauseous the next day for sure. It also causes me to have tachycardia in the morning when its leaving my system at times.
I don't like piperazines. Never have. I only take trazodone because it is the only non-addictive sleep aid that actually works for me.
ebola?
Bluelight Crew
Off-topic:
Have you tried mirtazapine for such purposes? Its mechanism of action is pretty similar, but it isn't closely structurally related and doesn't metabolize to uncomfortable feeling piperazines.
ebola
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
Mirtazapine doesn't do a damn thing to me. 45mg doesn't make me even the slightest bit tired. 100-200mg of trazodone, on the other hand, and I can NOT stay awake even if I'm on speed.jaurk
Bluelighter
I am so jelly, I only just recovered from 30mg test of it 3 days ago.
So fucking tired the past few days, felt like I was light headed, bit of depersonaliztion, and became frightened/flight or fright response with any loud noises.
Was hoorrrrriiiiibblleee.
Anyways, sorry for going off topic
negrogesic
Bluelight Crew
^^^That is actually a rather typical experience; I have on more than one occasion seen 15mg induce 18-hour sleep in hypnotic/etoh/antipsychotic-hardened patients. I personally take up to 120mg/day of mirtazapine (without exception 45mg/day; but generally between 90-120mg in a single dose, h.s.). However, I have taken the drug for sufficient duration to render me highly-tolerant to the drug's hypnotic properties (other than an inability to sleep if I am entirely without the drug for ~72 hous). It remains however a powerful appetite stimulant, a feature that is loosely dose-dependent (but not in a linear fashion; perhaps NE-mediated?).
There are some individuals however, who truly find trazadone to be a superior hypnotic to drugs such as mirtazapine or non-CIV hypnotics such as ramelteon, etc. Perhaps differences in trazadone metabolism could be sufficient enough in certain individuals/spec. pops to explain the cases in which patients find next-day disturbances to be minimal or non-existent. On second thought, a metabolic abnormality of such magnitude as to suggest a significantly enhanced patient tolerability is either unlikely , or indicative that trazadone truly is a shitty compound.
Now that I am bored by my own reply, here is some clinical psychopharm trivia:
What some-what related drug (sharing some pharm activity and rough structural similar with trazadone, but of a widely agreed-upon uselessness), is occasionally prescribed to reduce complaints of bruxism caused by high-dose SSRI treatment? Remember this is a clinical p-pharm question, so the answer may not be readily found by some wikipedia search etc.......Last edited by a moderator:
greenberryhaze
Bluelighter
Necro, I would guess buspar, based on the uselessness description.
negrogesic
Bluelight Crew
Buspar is correct. An otherwise useless compound, buspar is sometimes written to ameliorate SSRI bruxism. It may be sloppy medicine, but i've seen much worse.....
