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I got high on coke and MDMA and gave myself phosgene gas poisoning when I hit a speed bump in my car

moonyham

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So this memory just zapped into my brain while I was reading about cocaine. I have only had a couple of experiences with it. In NZ it costs an arm and a leg(400$ a gram) so its more of extremely wealthy/very special occasion kind of drug.

I was invited to an after party by some customers at a club I worked at. They were very wealthy and shared their drugs with me which was MDMA and coke. I can't say for certain how much I did over the course of 2-3 hours I hung out with them, but enough to get extremely high. 3 or 4 quite large lines of coke that I struggled to get up my nose(I've never done lines that big) and maybe 150mg of MDMA if I had to guess.
Anyway I leave the party as I have a bed and girlfriend to get to, and start driving home. Now, the group that I was hanging out with - especially the girls, were very concerned I was going to drive. Equally I know that these girls wanted to fuck me so I took it with a grain of salt because they didn't want me to leave regardless. Looking back they were right and I shouldn't have been driving, but hey - live and learn... this was in my early 20's when I was a lot more reckless.
Like I said, I'm extremely high - driving is very fun and I'm speeding. The streets are empty, its 6am on a sunday morning. I wasn't familiar with these exact roads and before you know it I hit a speed bump that you should NOT hit any faster than 10-15mph/20-25kmh. It was a very steep and hard speed bump. Well I was going about 80-100kmh when I hit it and basically got air. It really took me by surprise as I didn't realise I was hitting a speed bump until it was under my wheels. If anyone saw this it would have looked fucking insane.

Well I manage not to crash the car and came to a stop. I was smoking a cigarette like a madman - had been since I started doing the coke, just chain smoking. There is a large amount of 'steam' coming from under the bonnet of my car and I pop it and get out to have a look - ciggy still in mouth. Now, the front end had really smashed hard down into the ground, pretty sure I bottomed out the suspension. By the way this is my girlfriends car! Haha fuck my life.
I couldn't see any damage to the radiator or hoses and couldn't make sense of the steam so I just hopped back in the car and started calmly driving home, keeping a keen on on the temperature gauge to make sure its not overheating.
Within a few minutes I start to feel quite fucked up. And it keeps hitting me harder. Hot flashes, cold sweats, blurry vision. I have to pull over and I do. As soon as the car stopped I just start vommiting profusely. My breathing was heavy and hard. I legit thought I was about to die.

It really reminded me of a mild opiate overdose but my vision was really bad on top. I couldn't really shake it and just kept driving home, got there and fell asleep. So I didn't think too much of this event, figured maybe the coke or mdma just hit me really hard - a chunk got dislodged in my brain or something, I dunno. I then proceed to share this story with my friend who happens to work on cars who then explains to me that the AC gas is what leaked out(explains why I didn't have AC anymore!) and that when AC gas hits a flame(like getting pulled over the ember of a cigarette when you take a drag) it turns into phosgene gas which.. is highly toxic, and causes all of these symptoms.

Heres a link about phosgene.


I always found this to be such a strange turn of events and that its such a fucked up way to give yourself serious poisoning. Be careful where you smoke, people!
 
Why do people decide to drive intoxicated is beyond me, it is endangering others and very irresponsible. Just get a fucking taxi next time.

Did you not read the story? Because they are young, dumb, and high on cocaine. This happened 10 years ago when I was a completely different person.

Curiously, I suppose you are perfect yourself. Sorry but I'm not, and can share stories of me being a fuckwit because I'm not a coward like most people who just pretend they were never a piece of shit.

Hope you are enjoying that view, up there on that high horse of yours.
 
Did you not read the story? Because they are young, dumb, and high on cocaine. This happened 10 years ago when I was a completely different person.

Curiously, I suppose you are perfect yourself. Sorry but I'm not, and can share stories of me being a fuckwit because I'm not a coward like most people who just pretend they were never a piece of shit.

Hope you are enjoying that view, up there on that high horse of yours.
Being an idiot is not a good reason to endanger other people's lives. You can kill yourself in a car crash all you want, but think about the others for a second maybe? If your relative was run over by a cocained out monkey on a car who just HAD to show off, would you accept ”he's young and stupid” as an excuse?
Anyway. Cool story. Felt a nice breeze on this high horse of mine. Thanks for sharing.
 
Being an idiot is not a good reason to endanger other people's lives. You can kill yourself in a car crash all you want, but think about the others for a second maybe? If your relative was run over by a cocained out monkey on a car who just HAD to show off, would you accept ”he's young and stupid” as an excuse?
Anyway. Cool story. Felt a nice breeze on this high horse of mine. Thanks for sharing.
Sorry, are you perfect or not?

Even though I admitted it was the wrong decision in the story, you still found the need to chime in with your hypocritical garbage mouth and repeat that as if you add any value. You don't.
 
This is a sign from God to be careful or you'll have to face some serious consequences if you keep this lifestyle. You should reconsider what you're doing, not judging btw. Just saying.
 
Sorry, are you perfect or not?

Even though I admitted it was the wrong decision in the story, you still found the need to chime in with your hypocritical garbage mouth and repeat that as if you add any value. You don't.
Yes, I am perfect. Literally a flawless being. I radiate golden light and joints light up themselves when I pick them up. J/k.
What reaction did you expect? This is a harm reduction forum. I always advocate for responsible use and being an ”aware” person in general. You are just frothing at mouth here because I said that young you was an irresponsible dumbass. Of course I am not perfect, but there is a very big difference between endangering yourself (never did this btw, I love this meat machine I'm piloting) and endangering others.
 
What part of my story endorsed driving while high? The part where I said I shouldn't have done it? Oh right.

Typical internet loser. Don't see many on this forum. You'd be better off on reddit.
 
This sort of fucks up the story a bit but the phosgene gas created by refrigerant exposed to an open flame is an HVAC repairman's urban legend.

It is impossible for the refrigerant 134a to form phosgene via open flame. It can form the toxic (but less toxic) phosgene relative carbonyl fluoride, but only in optimal conditions. So unless you're brazing a massively leaking HVAC system with a torch on a submarine submerged 900 feet underwater, it shouldn't be an issue.

If anything it was just the drugs, or maybe thr refrigerant, which can cause vomiting, but itself has pretty low toxicity.
 
This sort of fucks up the story a bit but the phosgene gas created by refrigerant exposed to an open flame is an HVAC repairman's urban legend.

It is impossible for the refrigerant 134a to form phosgene via open flame. It can form the toxic (but less toxic) phosgene relative carbonyl fluoride, but only in optimal conditions. So unless you're brazing a massively leaking HVAC system with a torch on a submarine submerged 900 feet underwater, it shouldn't be an issue.

If anything it was just the drugs, or maybe thr refrigerant, which can cause vomiting, but itself has pretty low toxicity.

Interesting. For me I struggle to believe it wasn't as described in my story. My vision was very blurry and it came on very quickly. For me that's the weird part. I'll have to research it more but all the symptoms I had match up with phosgene poisoning and I don't think it's likely to all be a confidence.

So, looking into it, I can only find confirmation that exposing freon to a naked flame/fire does in fact create phosgene.

"Phosgene gas is a byproduct of some refrigerants when they are exposed to an open flame, or extreme heat. Being extremely toxic in small amounts, phosgene formation was a real concern when traditional refrigerants (R11, R- 12, R- 113, R- 114 and others) decomposed."


Also, you have to realise I felt totally fine up until this point. Symptoms started minutes after getting face fulls of freon with a ciggy in my mouth. Cigarette embers are around 900C. Seems plenty hot enough to do it what I've described.
 
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Why do people decide to drive intoxicated is beyond me, it is endangering others and very irresponsible. Just get a fucking taxi next time.
I think we've all done it in the early stages. It's extremely selfish and should be punished very heavily. Sadly only regular or poor people recieve harsh sentences for DUI. If you're famous you don't even get tested or in trouble (see tiger woods multiple incidents, Nancy Pelosi husband the north dakota attorney general that hit and killed a oedestrian while wasted and no charged at all were filed against him, etc.)

I've seen one friend get his whole face shattered like glass (I wasn't in the crash).

A story that sticks with me from an AA meeting was of a 23 year old alcoholic thar did 5 years in prison for killing a pedestrian drunk. He has been clean since ...it really could've been anyone of us.
 
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Interesting. For me I struggle to believe it wasn't as described in my story. My vision was very blurry and it came on very quickly. For me that's the weird part. I'll have to research it more but all the symptoms I had match up with phosgene poisoning and I don't think it's likely to all be a confidence.

So, looking into it, I can only find confirmation that exposing freon to a naked flame/fire does in fact create phosgene.

"Phosgene gas is a byproduct of some refrigerants when they are exposed to an open flame, or extreme heat. Being extremely toxic in small amounts, phosgene formation was a real concern when traditional refrigerants (R11, R- 12, R- 113, R- 114 and others) decomposed."


Also, you have to realise I felt totally fine up until this point. Symptoms started minutes after getting face fulls of freon with a ciggy in my mouth. Cigarette embers are around 900C. Seems plenty hot enough to do it what I've described.
Forming phosgene or other similar halogenated carbonyl compounds due to the exposure of refrigerants to a heat source is mainly a cause of concern for firefighters. They work in situations where compressors can fail and large quantities of refrigerant (ie many kilograms) can be exposed to flame and convert to toxic byproducts.

It is very unlikely the steam you described was from any refrigerant, and even more unlikely that the conditions in the engine were intense enough (hot enough/chenically reactive) to form phosgene (or any similar compound). Finally if you were to be exposed to enough phosgene to cause the psychological effects you described, the damage to your lungs would be quite severe. You would not be able to ignore symptoms such as fluid in your lungs and severe shortness of breath, and these as well as severe fibrosis would be evident under examination from a medical doctor.
 
Forming phosgene or other similar halogenated carbonyl compounds due to the exposure of refrigerants to a heat source is mainly a cause of concern for firefighters. They work in situations where compressors can fail and large quantities of refrigerant (ie many kilograms) can be exposed to flame and convert to toxic byproducts.

It is very unlikely the steam you described was from any refrigerant, and even more unlikely that the conditions in the engine were intense enough (hot enough/chenically reactive) to form phosgene (or any similar compound). Finally if you were to be exposed to enough phosgene to cause the psychological effects you described, the damage to your lungs would be quite severe. You would not be able to ignore symptoms such as fluid in your lungs and severe shortness of breath, and these as well as severe fibrosis would be evident under examination from a medical doctor.

OK well I suspend a lot of belief in what you say when you claim that the 'steam' coming from the engine bay was not refrigerent. It most certainly was, as the AC unit had been smashed and no longer worked. And my radiator and all hoses connecting were fine. I took it into a workshop not that long after this incident and they said, along with the friend that a bunch of 'steam' like stuff coming up made complete sense and was no doubt the gas escaping from the AC unit.
I mean, there really isn't any other explanation for what happened here. You can disbelieve it all you like, but this subject probably hasn't been studied enough to definitively say no you definitely didnt experience phosgene poisoning. Pulling that gas through a cigarette.. I don't think you understand the mechanics of what is happening there. You are pulling the gas directly over a 900C+ ember that you then breath in.

Where is this data saying it takes kilos of this gas and extremely high amounts to cause problems? Everything I found said the opposite, that just tiny amounts of this can cause issues.

My lungs have been fucked for years. Maybe this is why. I can't say.
 
I don't know a whole lot about Phosgene, but I just watched this video the other day on it. And it does seem like a small amount can be dangerous. Here is the YouTube link if you are interested... Did you say this was a long time ago or relatively recent? If you are still experiencing negative symptoms I would recommend seeing a doctor and ask about possible exposure to Phosgene. (I'm not sure of your economic situation and if a doctor is affordable or not, I also have no idea how the New Zealand healthcare system works). Regardless, I hope that you make a full recovery and have good health.

Best wishes!
 
OK well I suspend a lot of belief in what you say when you claim that the 'steam' coming from the engine bay was not refrigerent. It most certainly was, as the AC unit had been smashed and no longer worked. And my radiator and all hoses connecting were fine. I took it into a workshop not that long after this incident and they said, along with the friend that a bunch of 'steam' like stuff coming up made complete sense and was no doubt the gas escaping from the AC unit.
I mean, there really isn't any other explanation for what happened here. You can disbelieve it all you like, but this subject probably hasn't been studied enough to definitively say no you definitely didnt experience phosgene poisoning. Pulling that gas through a cigarette.. I don't think you understand the mechanics of what is happening there. You are pulling the gas directly over a 900C+ ember that you then breath in.

Where is this data saying it takes kilos of this gas and extremely high amounts to cause problems? Everything I found said the opposite, that just tiny amounts of this can cause issues.

My lungs have been fucked for years. Maybe this is why. I can't say.
Did you put the hose in your mouth and suck? Diffusion over even a square meter will dilute the shit out of a gas (inverse squares and all).


Did you experience respiratory failure that led to your hospitalization? If not, its probably a drug induced panic attack from the anxiety of crashing a car on all the drugs you were on.

I guess ask your doc to look for lung fibrosis if you think it was phosgene. Tests won't hurt.
 
Did you put the hose in your mouth and suck? Diffusion over even a square meter will dilute the shit out of a gas (inverse squares and all).


Did you experience respiratory failure that led to your hospitalization? If not, its probably a drug induced panic attack from the anxiety of crashing a car on all the drugs you were on.

I guess ask your doc to look for lung fibrosis if you think it was phosgene. Tests won't hurt.

You seem to be confused with what you are reading. You realise there are varying levels to any poisoning right? I would be inclined to believe mine was on the lighter end of the spectrum.

Your panic attack theory doesn't really hold up. First, that's not really a problem for me. Second, I wasn't concerned about the car - it was already on its last legs and I wasn't stressing about it.

I was simply driving along, happy and high, and then these symptoms hit me like a truck. Fact that blurry vision was one of them tells me it wasn't a panic attack and completely lines up with phosgene poisoning.


I also had dropped the mdma hours previous and the coke was probably 45-60min prior to this event.

Not too sure why you are so certain it wasn't phosgene when all my symptoms line up with that.
 
You seem to be confused with what you are reading. You realise there are varying levels to any poisoning right? I would be inclined to believe mine was on the lighter end of the spectrum.

Your panic attack theory doesn't really hold up. First, that's not really a problem for me. Second, I wasn't concerned about the car - it was already on its last legs and I wasn't stressing about it.

I was simply driving along, happy and high, and then these symptoms hit me like a truck. Fact that blurry vision was one of them tells me it wasn't a panic attack and completely lines up with phosgene poisoning.


I also had dropped the mdma hours previous and the coke was probably 45-60min prior to this event.

Not too sure why you are so certain it wasn't phosgene when all my symptoms line up with that.
Hey, moony, not everyone is trying to attack you. They’re expressing concern.

Everyone play nice.
 
Hey, moony, not everyone is trying to attack you. They’re expressing concern.

Everyone play nice.
I didn't realise I was treating it like an attack? Simply giving retorts and responses to other peoples theories. Some of which are just plain stupid which they refused to back up when asked for more detail?

But if how I'm writing isn't polite enough, guess I'll just say accept someones opinion that doesn't hold water as fact and move on. It was a panic attack. I'm wrong. Don't be careful smoking cigarettes near leaking refrigerant gas. Everything was in my head and totally coincidental. Including blurry vision. The mechanic was wrong and knows nothing about cars.

The end.
 
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