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I feel sorry for you guys....

augustaB said:
It seems strange to me that safrole should be difficult to obtain in the US, particularly as the climate in the US allows certain plants with useful levels of safrole to grow. Maybe it will become possible to synthesize safrole one day....
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The sassafras trees in the southeast US -do- contain enough safrole in the root bark to be used for synthesis. Also, there are suppliers of sassafras oil in the U.S. whose oil contains 95%+ safrole. Sassafras oil that contains >90% safrole is treated the same as safrole by the DEA, but their threshold amount is a purchase of greater than 4 liters in a month. Not to say that one will never be investigated for buying less than that, but safrole is definitely not impossible to get in the U.S.

Also, MDMA can be synthesized by other routes than safrole, its just that safrole provides a very cheap and naturally-abundant starting material which is already pretty close to the desired product in structure.
 
*snaps from dream* wait...what? What did I just type? Holy hell..

Yeah the e scene in the states is completely fucked. Through and through. Even if its legit its weak presses galore and stepped on molly. I am rolling right now btw. On a 70/30 MDMA/MDEA mix I put together myself. 210mg later I am fucked off my ass with my lady friend. Holy lawd almighty right now...jesus...
 
^ Lol you crazy kid...



Correct me if I'm wrong Scureto but I don't think anyone is manufacturing sassafras oil/safrole in mass quantities like they are in Cambodia and other Asian countries... There is some don't get me wrong, just not in the same kind of massive amounts like the NL are getting
 
Oh yeah you're right, it isn't being cranked out on an industrial scale like the stuff in Cambodia. The trees they have are a lot more efficient of a source than the ones we have, and the DEA definitely puts a big damper on industial scale importing of sassafras oil. Basically its parallel to the MDMA situation - sassafras oil/safrole are here and obtainable, it just isn't as easy for us as it is for the NL peeps. Their government basically doesn't give a shit about trying to stop it. If only we could learn from them.
 
Folley said:
Again, it comes down to safrole and other precursors. In the US, they are HEAVILY controlled.... you can't get it unless you have some special Cambodian connection. A shit load of safrole is sent to the NL, in fact that's like it's first stop.... so they just have more chemists, chemicals and a larger market for pure MDMA than the US does. If we were as close to the NL and the UK is we would get all the same stuff too
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Without breaking the no chemistry rule, I'd like to point out that you're drastically underestimating the creativity of America's clandestine chemists. MDMA is quite producible.
 
I'd say it's because of that human instinct to screw people over. Besides that, we are a large country with plenty of small towns in between the major cities that have easier access to legit MDMA. I live in a not to large city and most of our stuff comes from the big cities a few hours away. I could go to one of those cities and get good stuff but it all boils down to who you know and I know people locally.

Also, my home state isn't to fond of the growing rave scene and goes out of the way to end it. I witnessed a DJ get his ass brutally beat by the police at a small rave in some local woods. So in places like Cali, where it's acceptable to be a raver, bad shit isn't as prominent.
 
When u think bout it there just aren't enough educated rollers in the USA. There's us on bl and those that used to roll ten yrs ago. 90% of the newbies don't know what rolling really is so therefore why would chemist produce something that the majority don't know about? Its all supply and demand if everybody that rolled was educated then the chemists would have no choice but to produce it unless they want to be broke. But they ain't broke with the shit there pumping out now because people are buying it. Not to mention I think the rave scene isn't as big as it used to be but then again u can blame that on the lack of mdma. Its a fucked up situation with no light at the end of the tunnel unfortunately.
 
Speaking as someone from the U.K I personally think MDMA isn't all that great. Give it a few years and the novelty will wear off.

At least the U.S have other great drugs. Such as high purity cocaine @ half the price of equivalent U.K stuff, PCP and methamphetamine.
 
Ohh yes cocaine is such a great novelty of a party favor you have to keep sniffing crap up your nose that is cut with baby laxative that gives you the shits all day and when your done shitting your running back to the bathroom to put a dirty rolled dollar bill up your nose that 10 million people held after not washing their hands after pooping or picking their nose or what have you. Then you are staying up until the sun comes up feeling like paranoid and looking like death warmed over and eventually you have a deviated septum and can spit olives out your nose at the barnum and bailey circus.
 
Won't even comment on the meth and pcp those drugs are just for a bunch of horses asses. Meth has the best qualities. Paranoia and loss of Teeth.
 
I feel sorry for yo mutha! On a serious note it seems like Europe is in completion to make the strongest pill while the U.S. is only worried about making money regardless of the chemical they sell as MDMA. That's why it's so shitty here, lack of resources and greed
 
SF2011 said:
From reading around this forum over the last year or so, I really feel sorry for the guys in parts of the USA and Canada who have never tried or can never get decent MDMA.

There is so much decent Mandy or MDMA (molly) crystal in the uk at the moment. I have just been to one festival in the uk that you find a lot of shit at. But I dont think I've been offered so much MDMA in my life. I'm saying lets say 15+ times in one evening, and that probably double or triple than what was about last year. And 80% of these were willing to give samples/tasters, with all of it bieng crystal. Colours and purity ranging from brown,white,grey,yellow,tanned.

It's the same with clubs in the uk as well, if you go to the right places you have no trouble finding MD, I'd say it's taking over mkat, coke and even ketamine. Anyone from the uk can agree with that I think.

I'm just saying this because they're are so many posts of people saying 'what are in these pills?' and people saying they can't get proper md. I do feel sorry for the parts of the us that say they find it hard, and why is it so scarce in the US? And so popular in the little island of the uk? I've even known people struggle to get rid of all of it because there is so much around.

The US is a bigger country.. and theres nothing about it seems. (In certain parts)

Any reason why?


EDIT: I dont live in the USA and i am simply asking why parts of the USA struggle so much. I am in no way proud, however i do appreciate what is available in the uk.
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hello

mdma is an illicit substance and the market is entirely underground so, while the laws of supply and demand still apply, it's hard to analyse the trends in any kind of truly meaningful way because reliable data is hard to come by.

be wary of anybody who claims to speak with authority on this subject - the nature of the market means that hard data is hard to come by and there are a lot of people who are content to extrapolate from statistically tiny samples and, from there, draw conclusions that are, by their very nature, faulty.

enjoy your overabundance while it lasts :)

alasdair
 
What a silly topic. Back and forth with the "you're stupid MDMA is everywhere" and "you're dumb it doesn't exist." The truth, like most things, is probably nuanced and in the middle.

Current/recent MDMA users probably make up around 5% of the U.S. population at the max. MDMA production is going to be quite finite simply based on this alone.

MDMA users and other drug users tend to be more liberal, open-minded people who are more frequently found in major urban areas and on the coasts. MDMA will be much more easily found here than elsewhere.

Certain groups of people will always have better access to quality MDMA simply on account of the degrees of separation they are from the source and who just happens to be within their network of friends and family. These people will have the first shot at the product in most instances, even though there are many more who would like to get their hands on it.

Basically, in summary: The U.S. is neither swimming in MDMA nor totally devoid of it, and thus as a finite commodity some will have access to it before others.
 
It is easily imported to usa too! People just need to look in the right places, if theres a drought in usa then some people could make big money taking from uk surely? Heck might move out there myself and do it! haha
 
I live in Belgium and like 95% of the pills here are very clean, I can't even imagine getting dangerous pills 8/10 times, wtf. I think I wouldn't even take (supposedly) XTC pills if I lived in USA. The worst i've heard of was a friend of mine having a 2C-B pill a while back (wish I took those pills cause 2cb sounds awesome :D). I think I had some 4-MA speed yesterday though, it only started to work after like 2 hours and I got extreeemely warm. Luckily I only had one tiny line because my it was the last we had. My friend was less fortunate, he felt pretty sick.
 
Cornishman said:
Speaking as someone from the U.K I personally think MDMA isn't all that great. Give it a few years and the novelty will wear off.

At least the U.S have other great drugs. Such as high purity cocaine @ half the price of equivalent U.K stuff, PCP and methamphetamine.
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It probably will wear off, but im not a crackhead and would even think about meth, pcp Etc.
 
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