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I feel like...Bluelight is a big science experiment

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un intentionally. Like...the dreaded shrine. It's like...we got this collection of drug users ALL around the world of all ages, walks, and phases in life. Some smoking joints, some banging grams of heroin every few hours. We get to know each other on here and then every now and then POOF. Like a fart in the wind; one of us just dissapears. Then a few days later we hear the bad news. It's like watching someone die. Knowing these people have serious ddictions and are going to kill each other eventually.

Are we REALLY helping them out by giving thme "harm reduction" advice? Or are we just making it easier for them to eventually kill themselves with a false sense of confidence. "Oh I'm shooting up with microns so everything is hunkey dorey". I can't explain it. But I really do feel like we're all test lab rats with our own little drugs and devices and we see who lives the longest and who comes to take there spots. We all say "Sorry to hear that" but in the BACK of our minds we're thinking "better you than me".

That's all i gotta say. I'm probably alone on this. I hope it doesn't offend anyone...actually..idc if it does. But it's not my intention.
 
If this website has saved even one person from doing something stupid id say its served a purpose
 
So in this experiment in the back of your mind you think "better you than me"? If it were an experiment I'd call it a success.
 
Shrooms00087 said:
So in this experiment in the back of your mind you think "better you than me"? If it were an experiment I'd call it a success.
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If you died before me...you fucking A I'd be thinking that.

And how is the experiment a success? What's the hypothesis being tested exactly?
 
The point is something altogether different isn't it? If a person dies and the reason is lack of restraint or lack of knowledge "better you than me" signifies you'll take the necessary steps to avoid the same causal effects. Or doesn't it?
 
There was a member here whom a lot of people tried to help and his memory still haunts me because I was probably the last BLer to talk to him and I empathized with his pain but it wasn't enough. As great as the internet is, sometimes knowing that words on a screen are coming from a real person just isn't the same as the physical presence of a real person telling you shit's gonna be OK. I have great respect for the folks in TDS who have reached out in the form of phone calls just to give a person in pain something more human to connect with than words on a screen, and knowing the lengths to which some people here have sacrificed their own free time to help others really makes it an insult to even suggest that BL revolves around giving people a slap on the bum and sending them on to their fate. If you have suggestions on how to prevent someone thousands of miles away from banging unfiltered pills, we'd all be interested in hearing that instead of some ignorant shit about the supposed nature of BL.
 
For every name in the shrine I've no doubt there's a dozen other lives saved through bluelight. Swings & roundabouts. Considering how many of us use, the shrine is really quite empty.
 
thujone said:
There was a member here whom a lot of people tried to help and his memory still haunts me because I was probably the last BLer to talk to him and I empathized with his pain but it wasn't enough. As great as the internet is, sometimes knowing that words on a screen are coming from a real person just isn't the same as the physical presence of a real person telling you shit's gonna be OK. I have great respect for the folks in TDS who have reached out in the form of phone calls just to give a person in pain something more human to connect with than words on a screen, and knowing the lengths to which some people here have sacrificed their own free time to help others really makes it an insult to even suggest that BL revolves around giving people a slap on the bum and sending them on to their fate. If you have suggestions on how to prevent someone thousands of miles away from banging unfiltered pills, we'd all be interested in hearing that instead of some ignorant shit about the supposed nature of BL.
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This is the philosophy thread correct? Anger and intolerance is the ugly cousin of ignorance. You may not agree with me but I still have my opinion. I am pretty cold though. So I can see why some people would take this in a bad way.

And honestly your guess is as good as mine how to stope someone thousands of miles away from hurting themselves. Just talking philosophy here.
 
80mg said:
And honestly your guess is as good as mine how to stop someone thousands of miles away from hurting themselves. Just talking philosophy here.
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The best guess would be to provide the information necessary to reduce "causal effects". Depression is a tricky subject in that you can't provide them with any information they don't already presuppose "things will better" etc. Reaching out then is the next best guess. All of which this site provides.
 
Mankind has been doing drugs for thousands of years, its in our nature. So sometimes getting someone to quit through "educational" or "legal" means just isnt going to work.
 
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80mg said:
If you died before me...you fucking A I'd be thinking that.

And how is the experiment a success? What's the hypothesis being tested exactly?
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How philosophical... So longevity is the be all and end all to living a good life? That's such an idiotic statement. I could think of so many counter points to that, but they're so obvious I wouldn't want to bother stating them.

Bluelight isn't an experiment, it's a site with a stated purpose. I have no idea what hypothesis you could come up with for it other than "we can provide an outlet for people with drug related interests or to share their knowledge, thoughts, and experiences" In that case the hypothesis has been proven tenfold. What other ones did you have in mind?
 
Life itself is an experiment, whether you are using or not. Are you suggesting that anyone knows for sure what is going on, or what the best way to live is? Everyone is flying blind, ultimately. It's one big question mark.

I haven't been here long but I don't view BL as an experiment. Saying so implies that it has a single aim with a projected outcome. Before I ever read a post here I thought the title "Blue Light" implied a light that people can come to congregate around before they go on their merry way.

The OP makes it sound like BL is an assistant to suicide or something. BL is not responsible for people's choices, it is simply here to help people have more information to help them make their choice. Considering how much BS propaganda is out there on drugs, along with how drug users are demonized, this place is an oasis in the desert.
 
80mg said:
Are we REALLY helping them out by giving thme "harm reduction" advice? Or are we just making it easier for them to eventually kill themselves with a false sense of confidence. "Oh I'm shooting up with microns so everything is hunkey dorey". I can't explain it. But I really do feel like we're all test lab rats with our own little drugs and devices and we see who lives the longest and who comes to take there spots. We all say "Sorry to hear that" but in the BACK of our minds we're thinking "better you than me".
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You don't really understand the purpose of or evidence supporting harm reduction, do you?
 
80mg said:
Just talking philosophy here.
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That made me laugh. Thank you haha


80mg said:
Are we REALLY helping them out by giving thme "harm reduction" advice?
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I don't really understand what you are trying to say. If you want to talk philosophically then you have to atleast make sense. Are you trying to say harm reduction does more harm than good through encouraging safe drug use?

And yes, hearing about an individual dying can make us rejoice in our own lives but I'm really confused as to what that has to do with anything. Saying people replace each other after they die is pretty simple to. What do you mean by "who comes to take there spots"?
 
if people were more isolated in their drug use, there may be more drug related problems.

blaming drug culture for use of a drug is similar to blaming the addict for use of his drug of choice.
 
The old "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" argument.

It's hard to gauge, because people will see what they want to see. Some will see someone acting in a more destructive manner than they are and think "well, I'm not as bad as that person" and feel safe escalating their use. Others will see the horror stories and realize where the road they're on leads and moderate their use. Knowledge on it's own is neither good or bad, but for myself, I feel more comfortable knowing than not.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
How philosophical... So longevity is the be all and end all to living a good life? That's such an idiotic statement. I could think of so many counter points to that, but they're so obvious I wouldn't want to bother stating them.
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I literaly NEVER said that. DA DUQ?



Foreigner said:
Life itself is an experiment, whether you are using or not. Are you suggesting that anyone knows for sure what is going on, or what the best way to live is? Everyone is flying blind, ultimately. It's one big question mark.

I haven't been here long but I don't view BL as an experiment. Saying so implies that it has a single aim with a projected outcome. Before I ever read a post here I thought the title "Blue Light" implied a light that people can come to congregate around before they go on their merry way.

The OP makes it sound like BL is an assistant to suicide or something. BL is not responsible for people's choices, it is simply here to help people have more information to help them make their choice. Considering how much BS propaganda is out there on drugs, along with how drug users are demonized, this place is an oasis in the desert.
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Nice.

Divine Moments said:
You don't really understand the purpose of or evidence supporting harm reduction, do you?
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No. I KNOW harm reduction is better than NO harm reduction. Im jsut stating it may cause a false sense of security to people like IV users who learn to filter better...yet there killing themselves slowly anyay and are still at HIGH risk of OD.

CrackAndScrabble said:
That made me laugh. Thank you haha


I don't really understand what you are trying to say. If you want to talk philosophically then you have to atleast make sense. Are you trying to say harm reduction does more harm than good through encouraging safe drug use?

And yes, hearing about an individual dying can make us rejoice in our own lives but I'm really confused as to what that has to do with anything. Saying people replace each other after they die is pretty simple to. What do you mean by "who comes to take there spots"?
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No. What I mean is do you think the false sense of security through them thinknig "well its not AS dangerous IS infact a dangerous thing in itself? Make sense?

qwe said:
if people were more isolated in their drug use, there may be more drug related problems.

blaming drug culture for use of a drug is similar to blaming the addict for use of his drug of choice.
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Didn't blame culture. Blame the false sense of security by letting them think "HEY!Ill livel oner doing it this way" from a BL post instead of us being more like "no...its just bad to do in general" and offer hr more practical and MORE safe.

n3wt said:
The old "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" argument.

It's hard to gauge, because people will see what they want to see. Some will see someone acting in a more destructive manner than they are and think "well, I'm not as bad as that person" and feel safe escalating their use. Others will see the horror stories and realize where the road they're on leads and moderate their use. Knowledge on it's own is neither good or bad, but for myself, I feel more comfortable knowing than not.
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FINALLY! Someone who get's what my theory was.
 
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