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Opioids I don't want to live without fentanyl

tibberous

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I don't want to live without fentanyl.

Or more simply: I don't want to live.

Im 39. I was almost a millionaire by 30. Had a bad breakup, started using drugs, blew all my money, had a stroke but got screwed on disability. I tried to work, but can't do anything really worth anything. I tried sales and made under 30k my first year. It wasn't enough to afford my fentanyl habit, so I quit, fentanyl and work. I got clean for like 2 months, and wanted to kill myself every single day. Even when I was "recovered" I couldn't think.

So, I got on methadone. I'm on 70mg, and still get dopesick unless I do about 5 bags on top of it. But I'm still depressed, which is weird, because I wasn't depressed on fentanyl. I was happy, I was working - it did what no antidepressant could.

But I can't afford it. It is so fked up. Fentanyl is legal with a prescription, I need it for depression so I won't kill myself (which I tried to do twice, not counting the 7 times I've been narcan'd). But I can't get fentanyl prescribed for depression. I can only get methadone, because it's "the same thing" as fentanyl. Except it doesn't get you high, or make you feel better, or apparently treat depression. So why can't I get fentanyl if it's the same thing as methadone??

But it also isn't the same thing. The short life of fentanyl means you can do a bag when you're upset or tired, but you give your receptors a break at night. So you don't like become numb to it. Methadone is like supposed to "keep you good 24/7", but I don't think anything really works like that. What it does seem to do is screw up your tolerance, so you need just as much fentanyl on top of the methadone as you would if you didn't have it (and God forbid you get narcan'd, because that stuff blows away the methadone. Honestly, that shit should be illegal. I've been narcan'd 7 times, and especially this last time, I would have been better off dying. I'd rather die than be narcan'd. I saved a girls life, but with CPR, and her heart didn't stop, so really just mouth to mouth a few times and sitting her up. I didn't make her dopesick af and stuck in a hospital).

But anyway, I don't know what to do. I don't have kids of my own, but I have a girl I like and I love her kids like my own. I said I wanted to die, but really what I mean is id rather be dead than broke, dopesick, useless and miserable. I should have got $2,400/mo in disability, but a judge denied me, and in so doing he basically killed me. I had Bitcoin but those are gone, along with my real estate. And I have a criminal record, so I can't even work a job for idiots, like police officer or caretaker or something.

I need about $40/day to feel okay . That used to be less than a weeks work. But now, it's more than I make all month. So I basically spend half the month bedridden, on methadone but still feeling like shit, and the other half spending almost all my money on dope. I wish I knew this is how my life would have ended up - I had 30k when I got out of prison, and perhaps should have tried to find like bulk fentanyl powder on the dark web or something. But now I'm broke.

I thought about dealing fentanyl, but I don't have a consistently good connect. It seems crazy I'm going to kill myself (best case, or worst case, live 20-30 miserable years and still die from old age) if I can't get the right chemical to put up my nose. But that's biology, people died for tens of thousands of years for want of insulin. It's actually a miracle something exists that can make you feel so good you can be alone with nothing and no hope and still be happy. Or if not happy, at least not wanting to cease existing. But society is screwed up; we create a miracle drug, and then idiots ban it through violence. Or perhaps idiots isn't the right word - it's probably a few of the rich and powerful (who can still buy as much as they want) that tell the masses it's evil and dangerous so they can then get the average joe to sell their soul for a few hundred bucks of chemicals. After all, they give away crappy, super addicting methadone for free; but fentanyl, you got to pay for. Of course, if you're rich, you can get it delivered as fast as a pizza.

I just don't know what to do. I wish I had learned organic chemistry. "Fentanyl" actually has several analogs, and then their are other opioid antagonists, like isotonitzenes. Im not even sure if you'd need to make anything, it seems like you can just buy small "samples" of fentanyl with a sigma-aldridge account to "calibrate" your testing equipment. At least that's what I need a 10 dose vial of pure fentanyl solution for. It just makes me sick to see the DEA destroy kilograms of fentanyl, when 1 is probably all I'd need my whole life. And while poor people across the world die in unbearable pain. Though I guess I should be counted among them, since if I end up killing myself, it will literally be because I couldn't bear the pain. God I love fentanyl though. That's how I want to die. I want to get high, then just wait for like an hour, then shoot a video saying goodbye, then just do a couple more grams and be gone. It might *look* like a violent, painful way to die, but I've been brought back enough to know, you feel nothing. That like gasping for air and shit, that is your body dying - your brain is off. You're not even asleep, you're just gone. It's so peaceful. You never feel it coming. You only wake up in hell if someone narcans you.

I wonder how many times that girl I saved has sat there dopesick. Or tricked for a bun. I felt like such a hero when I "saved" her, but all I did was condemn her to this same hell I'm still too scared to escape. And why? Because everyone I love is here. 4 people. That's it. And really 1. If she died, I'd kill myself tomorrow. But she hasn't, so I just wait. And suffer, and wonder if I should have let that girl die in my arms. I wish I could die in hers. But she wouldn't understand it was peaceful - so I'll die alone. I just wish I could have enough fentanyl for the rest of my life.
 
I relate to a lot of what you are saying and have experienced a lot of the same life situation and also look forward to dying.

The only thing I don’t share with you is the hatred of methadone. Methadone is plenty for me and I believe will always do the trick if I need it. But it’s all I’ve used in the last decade and also gotten down to points where I was totally clean so my tolerance is very low. With a low tolerance methadone is plenty.

I’ve been heavily dependent on fent way in the past but never though bupe or methadone didn’t fill the void. It always satisfied me. But I was always more looking for physical pain releif not opioid euphoria.

As for not wanting to live….i don’t have that figured out. I hate life even if things are going well and I’m just existing for the sake of my wife. So I wish I had better advice on that for you.
 
Sounds like you are on a sub therapeutic dose of methadone for your needs. I'm not saying that a higher dose will do the same for you as unlimited fentanyl but it may give you more stability and peace. I think you need to come clean to your prescriber with a view to significantly increasing your dose which at least may mean you don't have the same necessity to get out and score every day.
 
The methadone clinic I go to will only increase your dose 5mg at a time with a max of 10mg a week. And that is if you don't miss, which I do, because they close at 9am on Saturday. The only time I'm not sick is if I'm doing dope on top of methadone. I missed Friday and Saturday, so now they might even cut my dose, but I probably need like 100-150mg, and I'm on 75 :(
 
For better or for worse, thank you for sharing your story and giving me a great reminder of why it’s not worth it


Far as the ‘done, you’re just going to have to continue to increase until you stabilize. Advocate for yourself and insist on it. Most clinics in the US are still way more liberal dosing wise than most of the rest of the world. 75 is a great dose for someone on heroin, not fent though. I agree that you will, at a minimum, need above 100. Make sure you get a peak and trough test if your clinic allows for split dosing for fast metabolizers. I cannot overstate this part enough. Where I’m at in the USA, most clinics do this, so bring that up with your counselor. Get your vitamin D checked and start supplementing it

The purpose of this drug is to keep you well, while you pick up the pieces of the mess ya made. It is a long acting opioid agonist that creates a stable blood level, occupying your downregulared receptors and preventing withdrawal. This is documented and known by literally every medical professional or even anyone who’s been on it. When at a stable dose, and then ultimately weaned off down to like the 5mg mark resulting in virtually zero discomfort depending on the person

You’re talking about using fent real quick when you’re upset so your receptors take a break at night (lmao not how it works at all, you should look up what fat solubility means, it is pharmacologically relevant to your methadone as well) and that you’ll kill yourself if such and such. You talk about narcan needing to be banned.


Get therapy. Your entire mentality and approach to life is what has to change above all, bro. Only then are the pieces going to be oriented in a way that will allow you to put them back together. You, right now, have the resources at your disposal.

I sympathize with your struggle and we all need to vent so don’t take it the wrong way or nothing but I find a lot of your defeatist and cynical whining downright insufferable if not offensive to my sensibilities during some points. That’s a part of this all, so I don’t really fault you for it

All that being said, best of luck, seriously. Stay at the clinic, get stabilized on a HIGH dose. Build a recovery network on here or with folks at the clinic or meetings, keep an OPEN mind, and start picking the pieces up. You clearly did something right if you really had six figures put away before age 30


Or don’t, continue to spin your wheels, ultimately resort to dealing and catch a 20 year sentence when someone you sell to OD’s and they link it back to ya. I am going to go have peanut butter ripple ice cream and enjoy the rest of my night
 
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