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Opioids I don't want to live without fentanyl

tibberous

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I don't want to live without fentanyl.

Or more simply: I don't want to live.

Im 39. I was almost a millionaire by 30. Had a bad breakup, started using drugs, blew all my money, had a stroke but got screwed on disability. I tried to work, but can't do anything really worth anything. I tried sales and made under 30k my first year. It wasn't enough to afford my fentanyl habit, so I quit, fentanyl and work. I got clean for like 2 months, and wanted to kill myself every single day. Even when I was "recovered" I couldn't think.

So, I got on methadone. I'm on 70mg, and still get dopesick unless I do about 5 bags on top of it. But I'm still depressed, which is weird, because I wasn't depressed on fentanyl. I was happy, I was working - it did what no antidepressant could.

But I can't afford it. It is so fked up. Fentanyl is legal with a prescription, I need it for depression so I won't kill myself (which I tried to do twice, not counting the 7 times I've been narcan'd). But I can't get fentanyl prescribed for depression. I can only get methadone, because it's "the same thing" as fentanyl. Except it doesn't get you high, or make you feel better, or apparently treat depression. So why can't I get fentanyl if it's the same thing as methadone??

But it also isn't the same thing. The short life of fentanyl means you can do a bag when you're upset or tired, but you give your receptors a break at night. So you don't like become numb to it. Methadone is like supposed to "keep you good 24/7", but I don't think anything really works like that. What it does seem to do is screw up your tolerance, so you need just as much fentanyl on top of the methadone as you would if you didn't have it (and God forbid you get narcan'd, because that stuff blows away the methadone. Honestly, that shit should be illegal. I've been narcan'd 7 times, and especially this last time, I would have been better off dying. I'd rather die than be narcan'd. I saved a girls life, but with CPR, and her heart didn't stop, so really just mouth to mouth a few times and sitting her up. I didn't make her dopesick af and stuck in a hospital).

But anyway, I don't know what to do. I don't have kids of my own, but I have a girl I like and I love her kids like my own. I said I wanted to die, but really what I mean is id rather be dead than broke, dopesick, useless and miserable. I should have got $2,400/mo in disability, but a judge denied me, and in so doing he basically killed me. I had Bitcoin but those are gone, along with my real estate. And I have a criminal record, so I can't even work a job for idiots, like police officer or caretaker or something.

I need about $40/day to feel okay . That used to be less than a weeks work. But now, it's more than I make all month. So I basically spend half the month bedridden, on methadone but still feeling like shit, and the other half spending almost all my money on dope. I wish I knew this is how my life would have ended up - I had 30k when I got out of prison, and perhaps should have tried to find like bulk fentanyl powder on the dark web or something. But now I'm broke.

I thought about dealing fentanyl, but I don't have a consistently good connect. It seems crazy I'm going to kill myself (best case, or worst case, live 20-30 miserable years and still die from old age) if I can't get the right chemical to put up my nose. But that's biology, people died for tens of thousands of years for want of insulin. It's actually a miracle something exists that can make you feel so good you can be alone with nothing and no hope and still be happy. Or if not happy, at least not wanting to cease existing. But society is screwed up; we create a miracle drug, and then idiots ban it through violence. Or perhaps idiots isn't the right word - it's probably a few of the rich and powerful (who can still buy as much as they want) that tell the masses it's evil and dangerous so they can then get the average joe to sell their soul for a few hundred bucks of chemicals. After all, they give away crappy, super addicting methadone for free; but fentanyl, you got to pay for. Of course, if you're rich, you can get it delivered as fast as a pizza.

I just don't know what to do. I wish I had learned organic chemistry. "Fentanyl" actually has several analogs, and then their are other opioid antagonists, like isotonitzenes. Im not even sure if you'd need to make anything, it seems like you can just buy small "samples" of fentanyl with a sigma-aldridge account to "calibrate" your testing equipment. At least that's what I need a 10 dose vial of pure fentanyl solution for. It just makes me sick to see the DEA destroy kilograms of fentanyl, when 1 is probably all I'd need my whole life. And while poor people across the world die in unbearable pain. Though I guess I should be counted among them, since if I end up killing myself, it will literally be because I couldn't bear the pain. God I love fentanyl though. That's how I want to die. I want to get high, then just wait for like an hour, then shoot a video saying goodbye, then just do a couple more grams and be gone. It might *look* like a violent, painful way to die, but I've been brought back enough to know, you feel nothing. That like gasping for air and shit, that is your body dying - your brain is off. You're not even asleep, you're just gone. It's so peaceful. You never feel it coming. You only wake up in hell if someone narcans you.

I wonder how many times that girl I saved has sat there dopesick. Or tricked for a bun. I felt like such a hero when I "saved" her, but all I did was condemn her to this same hell I'm still too scared to escape. And why? Because everyone I love is here. 4 people. That's it. And really 1. If she died, I'd kill myself tomorrow. But she hasn't, so I just wait. And suffer, and wonder if I should have let that girl die in my arms. I wish I could die in hers. But she wouldn't understand it was peaceful - so I'll die alone. I just wish I could have enough fentanyl for the rest of my life.
 
I relate to a lot of what you are saying and have experienced a lot of the same life situation and also look forward to dying.

The only thing I don’t share with you is the hatred of methadone. Methadone is plenty for me and I believe will always do the trick if I need it. But it’s all I’ve used in the last decade and also gotten down to points where I was totally clean so my tolerance is very low. With a low tolerance methadone is plenty.

I’ve been heavily dependent on fent way in the past but never though bupe or methadone didn’t fill the void. It always satisfied me. But I was always more looking for physical pain releif not opioid euphoria.

As for not wanting to live….i don’t have that figured out. I hate life even if things are going well and I’m just existing for the sake of my wife. So I wish I had better advice on that for you.
 
Sounds like you are on a sub therapeutic dose of methadone for your needs. I'm not saying that a higher dose will do the same for you as unlimited fentanyl but it may give you more stability and peace. I think you need to come clean to your prescriber with a view to significantly increasing your dose which at least may mean you don't have the same necessity to get out and score every day.
 
The methadone clinic I go to will only increase your dose 5mg at a time with a max of 10mg a week. And that is if you don't miss, which I do, because they close at 9am on Saturday. The only time I'm not sick is if I'm doing dope on top of methadone. I missed Friday and Saturday, so now they might even cut my dose, but I probably need like 100-150mg, and I'm on 75 :(
 
For better or for worse, thank you for sharing your story and giving me a great reminder of why it’s not worth it


Far as the ‘done, you’re just going to have to continue to increase until you stabilize. Advocate for yourself and insist on it. Most clinics in the US are still way more liberal dosing wise than most of the rest of the world. 75 is a great dose for someone on heroin, not fent though. I agree that you will, at a minimum, need above 100. Make sure you get a peak and trough test if your clinic allows for split dosing for fast metabolizers. I cannot overstate this part enough. Where I’m at in the USA, most clinics do this, so bring that up with your counselor. Get your vitamin D checked and start supplementing it

The purpose of this drug is to keep you well, while you pick up the pieces of the mess ya made. It is a long acting opioid agonist that creates a stable blood level, occupying your downregulared receptors and preventing withdrawal. This is documented and known by literally every medical professional or even anyone who’s been on it. When at a stable dose, and then ultimately weaned off down to like the 5mg mark resulting in virtually zero discomfort depending on the person

You’re talking about using fent real quick when you’re upset so your receptors take a break at night (lmao not how it works at all, you should look up what fat solubility means, it is pharmacologically relevant to your methadone as well) and that you’ll kill yourself if such and such. You talk about narcan needing to be banned.


Get therapy. Your entire mentality and approach to life is what has to change above all, bro. Only then are the pieces going to be oriented in a way that will allow you to put them back together. You, right now, have the resources at your disposal.

I sympathize with your struggle and we all need to vent so don’t take it the wrong way or nothing but I find a lot of your defeatist and cynical whining downright insufferable if not offensive to my sensibilities during some points. That’s a part of this all, so I don’t really fault you for it

All that being said, best of luck, seriously. Stay at the clinic, get stabilized on a HIGH dose. Build a recovery network on here or with folks at the clinic or meetings, keep an OPEN mind, and start picking the pieces up. You clearly did something right if you really had six figures put away before age 30


Or don’t, continue to spin your wheels, ultimately resort to dealing and catch a 20 year sentence when someone you sell to OD’s and they link it back to ya. I am going to go have peanut butter ripple ice cream and enjoy the rest of my night
 
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I’m assuming you are in the U.S? In Canada we have a lot more options for addiction maintenance here but it may be available if you ask your prescriber… here for opiate maintenance they offer Methadone, Suboxone, and Kadian - which is long acting Morphine Sulfate. They don’t like to prescribe it as much or offer it because it’s the same as using any other type of pain pills but they do if you ask and especially if you have a legitimate reason. Myself I can’t take methadone or suboxone for health reasons so I was always able to get the Kadian. And it’s closer to a natural opiate (morphine) so that may help with the depression. Just a thought for you hopefully it helps. We are also able to get (in BC and ONT) a daily dispensing of either Dilaudid or Oxycodone to take home which they call a “safe supply” fentanyl alternative. They’ve gotten a bit more strict on that though now for anyone new who wasn’t in the program a few months ago because people were selling them for Fentanyl. Crazy. Hope things get better for you.
 
Long acting morphine for ORT --- I would say that would be the most healthy and logical option of the three. Haha im sure you are legit but I would become allergic to sub and methadone real quick if those were the 3 options. The old trick in the US was "Im allergic to codeine" So hydro or better please. Than again alot of ppl honestly believed the histamine release was an allergic reaction. My mother for example. "No everyone gets itchy that is morphine not allergy, have a half a benadryl than just chill"
 
Also don’t beat yourself up about missing days and shit, I know you said you were worried that they might lower your dose but unless it’s a money issue or something if you keep usisng fetty on top of methadone they will advocate for you to INCREASE your dose not lower it. They want you in their support, graces, system, control whatever you want to call it. Clinic folk always insist on being on hundreds of mg of methadone a day than any amount of illegal street opiates. Their whole livelihood is based on keeping you in treatment taking their juice or suboxone while silmultaneously getting counseling, often drug tested and seeing their doctor it’s a whole package deal. Most clinics will lighten up eventually and allow you to just pick up your meds with more and more leeway but it surprised me that it only took roughly 6, 7 months to get weekly takehomes.

Yeah I wish I could get my meds like a prescription from a pharmacy for a months of meds including suboxone but let’s be real here most doctors prescribing suboxone do it as a specialty rolling in the dough usually also doing the drug testing circle jerk racket with the labs also so they all know we’re addicts . Even going the pain management mill route has it’s own system of control over you and constant hoops for you to have to jump through to repeatedly make us question if it’s even worth it at points, but having a legal supply can only help your chances. If you get in more trouble it looks better that your trying. Besides this shit is tough while they judge plenty it’s usually ourselves who we beat up the most about it
 
Holy shit. I’m so fucking glad I got off dope dudes. Jesus fucking Christ. What good fortune to have tried real delectable hard and then to get out having only had a single batch of heron that was definitely cut with fent. It was very much like constantly being dead or incarcerated. I remember being very happy with myself but if I had to think about how much energy I had to expend to get to the point where I could be a living being just having a day, sun on my skin, warmth coming from outside my body and not making me immediately ov err heat and have to throw up.

Idk man. I miss the way I used to think everything was okay and that it would all work out back then. And in a way it kind of did.

But it took so much labor to get off of opiates. It was fucking insane trying to get off.

Finally being able to. Being off of them. Taking a dabble here or there. Getting violently sick. Remembering all of everything and how hard it all was to get through. It’s insane.
 
I like my low dose oxys with k pins, fent' scares the fuck otta' me, as does heroin and meth. I know I'd fall in love with any of them and it wouldn't go well long term.
 
Hey man,

I can totally relate. I had started off on H, then blues, then moved onto whatever is now in what the locals call “boy”. Mostly fent, carfent, or some analogue. How do I know? My 7 or 8 trips to the hospital. One day I got high and pulled over my car. Got out and walked down the middle of the interstate which is 2-3 lanes each way. Had thought about dying plenty but never did it. Have been baker acted and marchman acted several times as well. That should tell you I’m in FL right there. After the trip down i4, they asked me if I wanted to harm myself when I sobered up and I said no. Which I now don’t. Things have been shitty. A while ago I moved to ga for a woman that I was with for 4 years and could not get her to fully commit. Ended up losing my job, moved back to Fl and fell into this shit since then. All I can say is this. Things get better. Having someone to talk to you that won’t pass judgement that you can just spout off on really helps. I hit up some N.A. meetings but didn’t seem to help with me talking but I loved hearing the other stories. Not going to lie, I do fent or a form daily myself. Helps with anxiety now but I’m not as reckless. You also have to find something to do that interests you. For me, I work in IT so I’ve been wanting to get into web development so I started reading into it. Find a class on something that interests you. You can get student loans. Fuck Ive owed the govt 25k for them and havent paid shit lately and they will still give me them. 5k here with my lack of income the past year. So you need to find something to take your mind off what is causing you the grief in your life. Don’t find something that will take your mind off dope, because guess what? You won’t. My last od oct 24’. I got something for my birthday right and it didn’t do shit so got a little more. Did a tiny bit and wham I’m in the hospital after the cops came and narcan’d me and sent me on my way with the emts. I get home a day later and find the little bit I had left and do a tiny bit and guess where I went again? So it was a total of about a week in the hospital. Happy birthday to me!!! lol. Anyways, I really wish you nothing but the best. This is my first post on blue light since the old site back in the 90s so…if you want to chat or anything and that goes for anyone, feel free to dm me. As we use to say in the rave scene…peace love unity and respect…
 
Hey man,

I can totally relate. I had started off on H, then blues, then moved onto whatever is now in what the locals call “boy”. Mostly fent, carfent, or some analogue. How do I know? My 7 or 8 trips to the hospital. One day I got high and pulled over my car. Got out and walked down the middle of the interstate which is 2-3 lanes each way. Had thought about dying plenty but never did it. Have been baker acted and marchman acted several times as well. That should tell you I’m in FL right there. After the trip down i4, they asked me if I wanted to harm myself when I sobered up and I said no. Which I now don’t. Things have been shitty. A while ago I moved to ga for a woman that I was with for 4 years and could not get her to fully commit. Ended up losing my job, moved back to Fl and fell into this shit since then. All I can say is this. Things get better. Having someone to talk to you that won’t pass judgement that you can just spout off on really helps. I hit up some N.A. meetings but didn’t seem to help with me talking but I loved hearing the other stories. Not going to lie, I do fent or a form daily myself. Helps with anxiety now but I’m not as reckless. You also have to find something to do that interests you. For me, I work in IT so I’ve been wanting to get into web development so I started reading into it. Find a class on something that interests you. You can get student loans. Fuck Ive owed the govt 25k for them and havent paid shit lately and they will still give me them. 5k here with my lack of income the past year. So you need to find something to take your mind off what is causing you the grief in your life. Don’t find something that will take your mind off dope, because guess what? You won’t. My last od oct 24’. I got something for my birthday right and it didn’t do shit so got a little more. Did a tiny bit and wham I’m in the hospital after the cops came and narcan’d me and sent me on my way with the emts. I get home a day later and find the little bit I had left and do a tiny bit and guess where I went again? So it was a total of about a week in the hospital. Happy birthday to me!!! lol. Anyways, I really wish you nothing but the best. This is my first post on blue light since the old site back in the 90s so…if you want to chat or anything and that goes for anyone, feel free to dm me. As we use to say in the rave scene…peace love unity and respect…
Absolutely
 
I don't want to live without fentanyl.

Or more simply: I don't want to live.

Im 39. I was almost a millionaire by 30. Had a bad breakup, started using drugs, blew all my money, had a stroke but got screwed on disability. I tried to work, but can't do anything really worth anything. I tried sales and made under 30k my first year. It wasn't enough to afford my fentanyl habit, so I quit, fentanyl and work. I got clean for like 2 months, and wanted to kill myself every single day. Even when I was "recovered" I couldn't think.

So, I got on methadone. I'm on 70mg, and still get dopesick unless I do about 5 bags on top of it. But I'm still depressed, which is weird, because I wasn't depressed on fentanyl. I was happy, I was working - it did what no antidepressant could.

But I can't afford it. It is so fked up. Fentanyl is legal with a prescription, I need it for depression so I won't kill myself (which I tried to do twice, not counting the 7 times I've been narcan'd). But I can't get fentanyl prescribed for depression. I can only get methadone, because it's "the same thing" as fentanyl. Except it doesn't get you high, or make you feel better, or apparently treat depression. So why can't I get fentanyl if it's the same thing as methadone??

But it also isn't the same thing. The short life of fentanyl means you can do a bag when you're upset or tired, but you give your receptors a break at night. So you don't like become numb to it. Methadone is like supposed to "keep you good 24/7", but I don't think anything really works like that. What it does seem to do is screw up your tolerance, so you need just as much fentanyl on top of the methadone as you would if you didn't have it (and God forbid you get narcan'd, because that stuff blows away the methadone. Honestly, that shit should be illegal. I've been narcan'd 7 times, and especially this last time, I would have been better off dying. I'd rather die than be narcan'd. I saved a girls life, but with CPR, and her heart didn't stop, so really just mouth to mouth a few times and sitting her up. I didn't make her dopesick af and stuck in a hospital).

But anyway, I don't know what to do. I don't have kids of my own, but I have a girl I like and I love her kids like my own. I said I wanted to die, but really what I mean is id rather be dead than broke, dopesick, useless and miserable. I should have got $2,400/mo in disability, but a judge denied me, and in so doing he basically killed me. I had Bitcoin but those are gone, along with my real estate. And I have a criminal record, so I can't even work a job for idiots, like police officer or caretaker or something.

I need about $40/day to feel okay . That used to be less than a weeks work. But now, it's more than I make all month. So I basically spend half the month bedridden, on methadone but still feeling like shit, and the other half spending almost all my money on dope. I wish I knew this is how my life would have ended up - I had 30k when I got out of prison, and perhaps should have tried to find like bulk fentanyl powder on the dark web or something. But now I'm broke.

I thought about dealing fentanyl, but I don't have a consistently good connect. It seems crazy I'm going to kill myself (best case, or worst case, live 20-30 miserable years and still die from old age) if I can't get the right chemical to put up my nose. But that's biology, people died for tens of thousands of years for want of insulin. It's actually a miracle something exists that can make you feel so good you can be alone with nothing and no hope and still be happy. Or if not happy, at least not wanting to cease existing. But society is screwed up; we create a miracle drug, and then idiots ban it through violence. Or perhaps idiots isn't the right word - it's probably a few of the rich and powerful (who can still buy as much as they want) that tell the masses it's evil and dangerous so they can then get the average joe to sell their soul for a few hundred bucks of chemicals. After all, they give away crappy, super addicting methadone for free; but fentanyl, you got to pay for. Of course, if you're rich, you can get it delivered as fast as a pizza.

I just don't know what to do. I wish I had learned organic chemistry. "Fentanyl" actually has several analogs, and then their are other opioid antagonists, like isotonitzenes. Im not even sure if you'd need to make anything, it seems like you can just buy small "samples" of fentanyl with a sigma-aldridge account to "calibrate" your testing equipment. At least that's what I need a 10 dose vial of pure fentanyl solution for. It just makes me sick to see the DEA destroy kilograms of fentanyl, when 1 is probably all I'd need my whole life. And while poor people across the world die in unbearable pain. Though I guess I should be counted among them, since if I end up killing myself, it will literally be because I couldn't bear the pain. God I love fentanyl though. That's how I want to die. I want to get high, then just wait for like an hour, then shoot a video saying goodbye, then just do a couple more grams and be gone. It might *look* like a violent, painful way to die, but I've been brought back enough to know, you feel nothing. That like gasping for air and shit, that is your body dying - your brain is off. You're not even asleep, you're just gone. It's so peaceful. You never feel it coming. You only wake up in hell if someone narcans you.

I wonder how many times that girl I saved has sat there dopesick. Or tricked for a bun. I felt like such a hero when I "saved" her, but all I did was condemn her to this same hell I'm still too scared to escape. And why? Because everyone I love is here. 4 people. That's it. And really 1. If she died, I'd kill myself tomorrow. But she hasn't, so I just wait. And suffer, and wonder if I should have let that girl die in my arms. I wish I could die in hers. But she wouldn't understand it was peaceful - so I'll die alone. I just wish I could have enough fentanyl for the rest of my life.
I can heavily relate to this. I’m one of the freaks who sought out fentanyl online back when you could get in its pure form, a decade ago. Imagine how shitty it was once that disappeared.

I’ve since replaced it with nitazenes (which are even more cost effective), but I STILL dream about fentanyl. I daydream about it, I have genuine sleeping dreams about it. The street trash never EVER compared to having a pure load of HCl crystal, and using tweezers to measure out a dose that won’t immediately kill me.

I’m still using tweezers with the nitazenes, but it’s not the same. And those just got banned in China like fent did.

I never should have jumped back into this life.
 
I can heavily relate to this. I’m one of the freaks who sought out fentanyl online back when you could get in its pure form, a decade ago. Imagine how shitty it was once that disappeared.

I’ve since replaced it with nitazenes (which are even more cost effective), but I STILL dream about fentanyl. I daydream about it, I have genuine sleeping dreams about it. The street trash never EVER compared to having a pure load of HCl crystal, and using tweezers to measure out a dose that won’t immediately kill me.

I’m still using tweezers with the nitazenes, but it’s not the same. And those just got banned in China like fent did.

I never should have jumped back into this life.

I’m sorry. I would offer a platitude or something but I think it’s better for me to just advocate for the core tenet of “never should have jumped back into this life.” Which is another way of saying “I deserve more than this.” And you do. And it’s out there for you somehow someway some avenue exists towards your liberation. I know you will find the path beneath your feet. Just keep an eye out for it.
 
Why not try switching to a safer, less tolerance increasing opiate like dilaudid? Or even good ol morphine which is what i use. Fent has no euphoria anyway it felt like the shit increased my depression i had at the time ffs
 
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