I dont think its a joke....do you?

Trancefuzion.....I was not aware there WAS a counterpart....maybe I should search and find it so I can post it up in a positive light. And yes, paradox and Ashke are right if ne one finds themselves in the light....er dark rather, of "real raver love" they arent a raver and I feel very sorry for them.
LATER!
PLUR!
stepper69
 
Satire is wasted on those unburdened with a sense of humour.
 
i don't find this letter funny
i find it to be "harsh reality"
and tha peepz who are saying "this is so cruel and not funny, PLUR and hugz to all of u" are simply being naive
i like raving, but i can't ignore the fact that the things mentioned in this letter are TRUE
 
I think some of it is funny...
But i'm twisted.
Then again i can't stand ppl who get all bent outta shape over everything sacred and dear to them being the subject of satire.
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Ciao...
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It sounds to me..
that this was not intened as a joke...
maybe....
the person who wrote this was an ex raver..
who did sleep around ...
who did steal..
who did deal....
or maybe its some B*tc* thinking it would be a joke...
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thats what i think...
if it matters
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Oh man Mr.Sticky,again.
Smack bang,hammer on head!
Sorry guys but man,some of of that shit is fuck'n true.
Id have to say as Sticky puts it,some jaded ex-raver,who never knew PLUR.
Thestepper69,i dont want to be giving you the message that i thought it was funny,i actually thought it was a load of crap.The parents with the BMW,and selling drugs to pay for her abortion,i do have to say it poped out my eyes and cracked me up.Sorry!
First let me say ive seen that.So he wasnt make'n it,but selling it!
It just made me jet back and realise.No like Sticky said.A hard dose of reality.Its sad but there is a dark side.Just stay happy and keep away from it
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I have to say this because i dont want to sound like the negative.Last Dec 98,for 4 0r so years before that date,all i did was sit around and smoke cones.Even stoped listening to techno.Before that all i used to live for was raves,raves,raves.and some other odd little things.In Dec 98 i realised id been missing something in my life.It wasnt E's,cause E's whernt actually my drug of choise,back then.IT was Raves,techno,and most of all DANCING.Being abule to cut sick infront of hundreds of people you dont know,and not have a worrie in the world.Only a smile on your face,and wicked people around you,parcing you water!
This year I have to cut down on my egg taking,but im sort of afraid.What im actually afraid of is leaving the sceen,cause raving and techno,are apart of my life,its a culture,which i feal so comfortable in.
I hope i havnt offended anybody,sorry I didnt mean to.I love Raves,I love Ravers.I went to my first rave when i was 15.Im now 25.Yeah raves have changed but like you all say,PLUR,is still there,Strong
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Why the hell do I still go then.Cause there FUCK'N ACE.Keep spreading the plur to all the others and it will stay alive.Its true.Someone must have been doing it while i was away from it,because it never left
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pEacE LovE aNd HappinEss
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Chaos
 
i think AcidBurn and people like him are the reason why things like this letter are emerging.people that don't take this scene seriously are the ones who make this letter a reality.
it seems to me people like this are just looking for a place to fit in, the latest trend to be a part of.maybe they were outcast in school and now want to be "the cool guy with all the drugs"to make up for their inferiority they suffered in school.people who don't take our scene seriously won't respect it and will only use it to their advantage(to sell drugs or impress their friends by introducing them to the newest trend).
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ACIDBURN ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DOWNFALL OF OUR SPIRITUAL CULTURE!"
"serious people don't take drugs and dance all night,they wear busines suits",
i have never heard such BULLSHIT!were not the Native Americans serious as they smoked their pipe and and engaged in ritualdances to cleanse their soul. people who wear business suits in are world are usually full of it! they pretend to preoccupy themselves with their so-called careers so they won't have to think for themselves and so they can go on pretending that their not scared about the true meaning of life.
the true purpose is of life is emerging upon many cultures on earth. and as we take people on,the masses are forming.and soon you idealstic republicans will be the minority and you'll be forced to do the unthinkable.
TO THINK FOR YOURSELVE!TO BE CREATIVE AND NOT TO DEPEND ON SOME FAKE SUPPORT SYSTEM CALLED A GOVERNMENT!
the day is comin AcidBurn,all true spirits will come together(even if you're forty and have a family,so long as you're soul is straight),and all the non-balievers will be cast aside.
people wake up!don't let people like AcidBurn discourage you!WE ARE DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE AND WILL BE REWARDED IN THE GATES OF ZION!
peace & blessings-vinse
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jars will not perserve me
and ceilings are nothing
but silly imaginations for those afraid to fly
 
i don't usually consider myself a cynic, but i think i agree with acidburn on this one. i think it's good to have the PLURR ideal, and the share the practice, but i think the main result/objective of PLURR is good-vibed parties, meeting neat people, and generating memories to cherish. i don't think it's going to win over the world.
i like you and your posts, vinse, but i think maybe you need to switch to decaf and get some overdraft coverage on your reality account.
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j/p
where i disagree with acidburn (and deep) is in the humour assessment. everyone has a different sense of humour, and i DO enjoy satire, but this list was TOO dark and TOO bitter. yeah, some people think movies like "Very Bad Things" and "Welcome to the Dollhouse" are hilarious. i just think they're dark. i prefer humour in the vein of Dennis Miller, the Coen bros., and a lot of the old brits. Andy Kaufman blurs the line.
yeah, there's some truth in that list, just like there's some truth lurking in the bottom of every stereotype and cliche. but that doesn't make them funny (or even generally true). i dunno. didn't make me laugh. not my style of 'humour'.
i don't have experience with e-hoes, and i've never known anyone who went to raves to hook up, but i'll take your word that it goes on a lot. those kind of people sound less like ravers and more like "people who go to raves", aka, people who go to massives. to avoid them, try going to smaller parties, desert parties, forest parties, renegades, etc. massives can be a lot of fun, but my favourite parties didn't even have fliers.
i was surprised that someone is so anti-raver as to write this list, it makes a little more sense to learn that this was in response to something else. and i agree with ashke - you'd think there are better targets for such abuse, than a group whose primary characteristic seems to be "friendly".
 
"people who wear business suits in are world are usually full of it! they pretend to preoccupy themselves with their so-called careers so they won't have to think for themselves and so they can go on pretending that their not scared about the true meaning of life." - vinse
"Serious people dont do a bunch of drugs and dance like weirdos all night; they wear business suits." - Acidburn
CRAP CRAP CRAP
I wear a business suit every day at work. I'm serious when I'm at work. Little do the majority of my colleagues know that I do a bunch of drugs and dance like a wierdo every weekend. All of you ravers would be very surprised just how many people who wear business suits actually attend raves, or take pills. There are way more than you realise. Even I'm surprised by the number of people I meet in the corporate environment who are ravers or E-taking PLUR type clubbers.
As for those corporate people who don't take pills, sure, I get the shits with the corporate culture and the way a lot of the people take themselves way too seriously. However, a person who focusses on their career has my utmost respect...these people are driven by what they feel will make them happy in their life. What they view as success (money, position, social status) is different to what we view as success in our lives (happiness, peace with the world and our friends) but they are striving to achieve goals nonetheless. The majority of thse people are also incredibly focussed on their health (ie fitness, gym) and the majority of them are also as focused on their personal relationships and family (although I do admit not all). These are people who feel that they are achieving something with their life. If this is what makes them happy, let them be. Not every person is drawn by the drug culture, nor should they have to take drugs to be seen as a whole person, or a caring PLUR type person. PLUR does exist in the world of those who have never dropped a pill. They just don't have a name for it.
Don't assume anything about anyone, in particular by the clothes they wear for work. Work and play are two completely separate things and don't make the mistake of combining the two. Next time you're at a rave, look around for the older people (they are there...really) and ask them what they do for a living. You'd be very surprised. And don't forget.....most of you that are uni students right now will probably end up somewhere in the corporate culture at some stage of your lives. And it's really not that bad.
miss apple
 
MISS APPLE-Lets not lie to people about the corporate cut-throat, political BS, game playing environment *I* know it to be. We cant ass-u-me that all corporations are well to be like yours is. You couldnt tell me anything that makes a corp a good, healthy, fun place to work. The corp environment is nasty...if you dont play the political game that everyone who moves up in the corp world, you can expect to stay at or around entry level your whole life. Miss Apple, I dont want to offend you in any way, but the corporate world can suck on my left tit and make the right one jealous. You may feel a sense of accomplishment with money, position, and social status while your still healthy, but, answer me this question: Are you going to think all that stuff is important when you are on your deathbed, or your life is flashing b4 ur eyes? Look, I know we are totally off of the subject but I too work in the corporate environment, but, I couldn't disagree w/ you more. The only reason I am here is for my own survival....I NEED MONEY TO SURVIVE...just like 95% of the people in the world. But I feel that a pretty good majority of corporate people are OK, and I have no problem w/ them(usually bottom of the pile bluecollars). But I do have a BIG problem with people much higher on the "ladder". If these people were nemore fake they wouldn't even exist....lol. Corporations suck, the people(for the most part) that run them suck, and anything that you may accomplish in the corporate environment means absolute shit in the end. This may sound a bit on the morbid side, but in the past 4 or 5 years I have found myself on a spiritual journey in preparation for the next. In fact what you accomplish, and how you happen to accomplish it, may hinder your standing in the great beyond, no, I didnt say your going to hell(there prolly isnt even a hell...lol), I am not saying that it WILL hinder your standing, but you wont be looked at in a better light because you got junior VP in three years at your precious bullshit corp. Bottom line, corps, and most all other "stimuli" are good at blinding you from the truth in life. I know so many people who work here (united airlines) that this is all they do and I feel sooo sorry for them cuz the sheeps wool has been pulled over their eyes, and now they have no true direction, just this f'ed up circle of madness called corp. Day in, day out life. Wow, what a life, come to work and go home, repeat 5 times weekly until retirement, by that time you are so far lost off of the true path it is almost impossible to get back on it. Go right ahead and become complacent (sp?) w/ the corp, after all that is what they want, while I figure out alternate routes to achieve the same thing.
LATER!
PLUR!
stepper69
 
Stepper69....I think you may have missed my point. I completely agree with you on all counts about the corporate world. I hate it. I, like you, am here to earn money to pay for my real life....my life outside of work.
My whole point was to treat people as individuals.....don't assume that someone in a business suit doesn't spend their time away from work 'on a spiritual journey'. You and I are obviously members of the corporate world that we hate so much...just because we need the money and fell into this type of job. It's what we were pushed towards at school. But we are obviously not going to fall prey to it's clutches. I don't want to be "junior VP in three years at your precious bullshit corp", as much as my boss wants me to work towards that. Career...objectives....goals...where will you be in five years time? This isn't for me...I don't care where I am as long as I'm happy. But my point was that this is what makes some people happy. I admire someone who has goals like that and achieves them. I often wish I was as motivated. But I'm not. The people who succeed in the corporate world are people who are excited by the thrill of the chase, they are competetive, they are fucking smart. I could be like them if I could deal with the fake bullshit at the top of companies that you so aptly described. But for me, the negativy, the selfishness, and the falseness shown by these people far outweighs the rewards of being a "successful career woman". (I should say at this point though that my manager and mentor, who has made his way up the corporate ladder very quickly, is incredibly intelligent and has an amazing business sense, is one of the most caring and understanding men I know. Some of his ideas are a bit out of whack but his most important things in his life are his people. This may sound wierd but even though I know he is nice to his people because he knows they help him get where he is, he gives them the utmost respect and loyalty. A rarity I know...but these sort of PLUR people do exist in the corporate world). Others in the corporate world are exactly like us...and some of them don't have the courage to leave a secure job that pays for their lifestyle. As much as we hate it, the corporate world pays fucking well. I can't think of anything I would prefer to do that would adequately fund my current lifestyle. But, I also always said to myself that I would never work in a job I hated just for the money. Never.
So last week I resigned. I'm heading off overseas on my clubbing/raving/bluelighter meetup tour of the world. I need to explore more about me, about the world, about life, about people. The corporate world is not for me, as it obviously isn't for you. But when I get home...what do I do then? Hopefully I'll be able to come home with an answer.
miss apple
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i love it how all the older kidz find it funny and all the new-er kidz think its in poor taste---
i LOVE IT (personally)i should print it out and show it to all my friends --- they'll be able to "take the joke"
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Miss Apple....You are a very sweet person. I wish there were people like your mentor at my work environment. I admire you for your sense of adventure, i mean for leaving your job to go out and start figuring things out for yourself, truly admirable. I am trying to find ways to do the same thing, for the rest of my life. Sorta like Kain on 'Kung Fu'...lol...
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. I know that any given moment COULD be my last, and I really need to do something meaningful to me. I just need to find the means and come up w/ a method. Hopefully that is soon in my future.
W33k4p4u9-Yeah I admit 6 years in the scene isn't a very long time. However, if I had been in the scene for 60 years that "joke" would not make me even slightly chuckle. You LOVE "real raver love" huh? Well laf til ur hearts content....Hope you and ur friends laf ur asses off. I think its sad, and a sign of what America is all about.
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Its not a joke...but its not untrue either.
i know a bunch of 3 girls who do exactly what that supposed "joke" reads, and no-one that meets them, talks to them or knows them is impressed whatsoever. People that arent ravers, or are not too familiar with the whole rave culture WILL get the wrong idea on what its all about if they read that letter. I do agree with acidburn, i dont go to raves to be serious, and i dont see why anyone would, the whole PLUR ethos should be part of everyday, not just when your out dancing and tripping/peaking off the planet...BUT as i mentioned before, think about someone who is a little bit clueless, perhaps someone just curious or someone looking for an excuse to bag people...whats that "joke" going to say to them?
...That all ravers are always fucked up on drugs, 24-7, 366 days a year?
...that pretty much everyone has slept with everyone else in a venue for the above premise?
...that everyone in the rave culture is completely and utterly clueless as to what reality is, what it could be or what its isnt?
Need i go on with the thoughts they could have?
My real qualm with that joke is how much of a dangerous statement it is to make in such a public and controlled medium. A "joke" like that is a media delite, Any news reporters needing a story and willing to completely and utterly misconstrue a whole generation of happy, carefree and loving people, go ahead and seize the day, theres all you need to trash basically everyone on this board (and alot of people who arent on the net, let alone this board) in public, TV, radio, papers...even a nice big headlining spot on an internet news site. I could see a whole news special, complete with semi-convincing (to the general public) actors and makeup going to air prime-time...now wont THAT be something that calms parents minds!
whoever wrote that letter has serious issues, and needs therapy. I also wonder if the person who wrote that letter has even BEEN in the situation that they described to be able to make such bold judgment and stereotype people in such a way.
I know i must be babling, but that post seriously pissed me off !! Its just the net, But I am insulted, my friends that have read that are insulted, and i know that the majority of bluelighters would be deeply insulted by that joke!
Andromeda
i guess all we can do is hope that doesnt get to be part of a chain e-mail!
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Thestepper69- I don't take any offense to what you were saying, in fact; I think you missed what I was trying to say. I'm actually a very positive person about alot of things. I'm just a little numb I guess to the negitive people in the world. I just looked at that letter as someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're saying, or is so jaded themself they could bring down something as positive(at least the way you feel) as raving and rolling. I honestly love the life I have on weekends, compaired the "responsible" life I have during the week. Friday night hits, I drop a few and head to the clubs. I just don't take anyone else or their opinions too seriously. I take care of my friends, make a few new ones, and I don't shit on anyone else. I wouldn't let that letter bother you, and take it at face value. Its someone elses opinion, and obviously you don't agree with it. That shows something positive about you. I would just not worry about it anymore. All stress does is kill your roll
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hey all you kids. i'm new here.. tigger told me about this site so i'm just checking it out.. first of all, i think all of you are totally awesome!! was reading all your messages and stuff and can't help but be drawn to this conversation as i've been thinking alot about this lately..
but basically what i've come to realize is that we create our reality. like whatever we believe in will come true. look at it from a micro level- if a kid has been told from the age of 3 by his parents that he is useless, an asshole, and so forth, he will eventually come to believe that and he will grow up to be an asshole and so forth. so for those people who are kinda pessimistic about the rave culture- yeah, if you BELIEVE that the raves can't be anything more than a good party, that the rave culture is NOT a movement, then yeah, that WILL become true... on the other hand, if you believe that the rave culture is a utopian movement, then at the very least you are giving it a CHANCE for it to become reality- ... all i'm saying is that we CAN'T be negative... because then we already lose... as long as we keep our hopes, our positivity,our vibes going, then there is still a chance that our society will change for the better... i really hope you all understand what i'm saying... (i'm not that good with writing- i'm more of a speaking person if you know what i mean) i'm not saying that we shouldn't be realistic..we SHOULD know what's going on around us but at the same time not be discouraged by the darker side to things... we have to be realistic and know that as with EVERYTHING else, there's a good side and bad side... so just accept it and move on.. just don't ever contribute to the negativity around us...ok, i think i'm rambling here but oh well.. just bear with me.
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as for that letter about "raver love"- well, i found that at first i was offended by it but then later on i just was feeling sorry for the person who wrote it because obviously he/she wasn't touched by the same thing that i or any of you kids were touched by... think about how awful it must be for that person to live like that- to not feel plur, and so forth.. i dunno... i just wish whoever wrote it the best cuz he/she obviously needs some luv...
anyhow,
peace, love, smiles and hugs,
sunflower
ps. sorry about this long message.
 
Sunflower:
absolutely NO reason to apologise. Your post was rather deep, almost profound. In fact, you are very right, in my expierience.
This is what the board is for. it's for speakin your mind, getting your thoughts out there. Meeting with other people of similar tastes, and ideas/ideals. So keep it up!
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"Like a shooting star,
Accross the midnight sky!"
-BANG!
PaRaDoX -and PLUR for all!
 
Reading that is like having a knife stuck through your heart or something. _How_ could anyone be so awful
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Its twisted and sick and nasty
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Maybe someone should send an email around the mailing lists containing a modified version of what rave love is. Might _enlighten_ a few people along the way heh
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Okay since Ive now reread the _whole_ thread again and not skimmed some bits can someone post the original? Would that be ok? Im just curious cos balance is kind of the best thing and all that. Eer yeah - sorry for not reading properly guys :/
Nas
 
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