I don't really know why I'm making this thread

whatever you do AVOID weed at all costs.... if you have mental illness trust me...

you need to find a GOOD psych dr... dont judge all drs by just seeing one bad one....

i would avoid all drugs, see a doc, get food, water, sleep, and exercise daily
 
@whippa Yeah, it's all in my head.. I wanna try some sort of drug to help. The last psychiatrist I went to was referred to by my doctor.

@cire I smoke a lot of weed and it helps my mood. I want to try another I think.
 
I don't agree that weed will necessarily make you crazier. I mean hell, here you can get it prescribed legally for depression. I think it just depends on the person. For me if I smoke a lot of weed without anything else it messes with my paranoia sometimes. I've found tho if I smoke on my xanax I never get the paranoia or social anxiety, I just feel nice and sedated. I read somewhere that benzos can dimish the psychedelic effects of weed so that might be why.
 
Try reading the most recent thread I started and see if it helps you at all. My ideas and thoughts have cured my depression, as well as a girls I know in real life, so I have hope it will help others!
 
I read it and it sounds like it was written by someone who hasn't been or isn't clinically depressed. What would suggest someone with schizophrenia do, just learn to love themselves and do some yoga? That might be a drastic example, but there's pretty good evidence that depression can be caused by chemical imbalances in the brain.
 
Depression’s Chemical Imbalance Explained

By Rick Nauert PhD Senior News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on November 10, 2006

For over three decades, scientists have attributed a chemical imbalance in the brain as the source of major depression. Now, a new study provides an explanation of how this “chemical imbalance” occurs.

Major depression is a disease that impacts approximately 5% of people globally. For over 30 years, scientists believed that monoamines– mood-related chemicals such as serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine– are low in the brain during major depressive episodes. This is commonly referred to as a “chemical imbalance”. However, no one had ever found a convincing explanation for monoamine loss, until now.

This study by the Canadian-based Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH) is published in the November Archives of General Psychiatry.

Dr. Jeffrey Meyer investigated whether brain monoamine oxidase A (MAO-A) — an enzyme that breaks down chemicals like serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine– was higher in those with untreated depression. The results showed that in major depression MAO-A was significantly higher in every brain region that the scientists investigated. On average, MAO-A was 34% higher.

According to Dr. Meyer, “In major depression, higher levels of MAO-A is the primary process that lowers monoamine levels. Having more MAO-A leads to greater breakdown of key chemicals like serotonin.”

This study by the Canadian-based Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH) includes a detailed new monoamine model of depression, based upon this work as well as four previous publications from Dr. Meyer and collaborators at CAMH.

Said Dr. Meyer, “A key barrier to making advances in treating depression is a lack of precise disease models. Having disease model is like having a map. Once you have that map you can really begin to understand how an illness like depression works, and offer more targeted and effective treatment.”

A second part of this new model is that monoamine transporters have an important role in removing monoamines away from active sites. Having more of a monoamine transporter is not helpful as it removes more monoamine — for example if one has more serotonin transporter, one would additionally lose more serotonin during depression.

“An important aspect of our advanced monoamine model is that individuals with depression lose chemicals like serotonin and dopamine at different rates based upon transporter density. This helps explain why one person with depression may experience loss of appetite while another may not. And some people have more severe symptoms than others,” said Dr. Meyer.

This advanced monoamine model of depression is a huge step forward in the disease frontier. It brings the study of mental illness closer to the advancements seen in research into physical illness such as cardiac disease, and offers one of the most comprehensive disease models in mental illness.

The next step for researchers will be to investigate why MAO-A levels are raised in the brain and consider prevention strategies. Prevention strategies are critical — according to the World Health Organization, major depression is currently the fourth leading cause of death and disability and is expected to rise to second by the year 2020.

Source: Centre for Addiction and Mental Health

http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/11/09/depressions-chemical-imbalance-explained/398.html
 
I've had intense depression, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder. All of which caused me to feel unbearable pain, start abusing heroin, and start thinking of ending my life. The key theory that I started to practice and live which then destroyed all of these negative afflictions was simply to have unconditional acceptance & forgiveness of everything that has ever happened to me, I've done to others, or will be done in any way, shape, or form with me involved in the present+future. This is how I now love myself completely. I never feel stress any more, I no longer have any fears. The only negative thing is I sometimes get anxiety over how totally FREE I feel from previous mental self-made restrictions.


If chemical imbalances are the cause of depression & other mental illnesses than I propose that these imbalances are simply caused by the individual investing too much time,thought, and energy into experiencing negative emotions and not positive ones. As I know that is what I used to do.
 
Well if what you're doing is working for you great, but I don't really buy that you can simply out-think yourself out of clinical depression when it can be caused by genetics and chemical imbalances in the brain.
 
If chemical imbalances are the cause of depression & other mental illnesses than I propose that these imbalances are simply caused by the individual investing too much time,thought, and energy into experiencing negative emotions and not positive ones. As I know that is what I used to do.

So what would your advice be for someone with severe schizophrenia? Simply stop thinking negative thoughts? Just ignore the voices? 8) Maybe an extreme example, but I think it still fits my argument.
 
@ziggo I've had a read through your thread and it's all true. Although it may not seem it as I'm replying to a thread of self-pity I try to do those things most of the time. I know that I need to let go of this darkness, and accept the situation as it is, but I can't seem to do it. I try and I try, and to this day I keep trying, it's not like I'm even empty, I'm full of pain, I remember the sweet boy I used to be even when I was down or sad, and now I'm just this grumpy, apathetic, callous blob of sorrow. All I want to do is let go of the pain I'm holding, to just accept everything as it is, and I try all the time, and I know it's not meant to be easy, but I just can't seem to do it. I don't know what to do, and I'm not expecting some magic pill to fix everything, I just think it might help me, it might turn my thoughts into feelings. I don't know. Everything is so confusing and I'm just lost.
 
@nutty I've been reading up on SSRI's and MAOI's tonight, because I was unclear of what they exactly did and I now have a very very simple understanding. That was a good read, and it just reinforces my thoughts that I should try some form of medication.. It also worries me, that my thoughts get very negative/dark/bad at times, as do my feelings, and it just can't be good for me at all. Watch this if you'd like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dmYT83ZKY&feature=related
I also saw a video of a lecture by a neurologist and he was talking about how when you're depressed for a long time, your body gets used to the chemicals, so when you try to make yourself happier your spinal chord sends messages to your brain to stop making the chemicals or to release MAO's or something of the sort because it's used to the chemical imbalance.

To both Ziggo and Nutty, I appreciate both of you trying to help, and I really don't want you to fight. You both have valid points, and your last post is irrefutable, but Ziggo's philosophy/thoughts/way of life are valid, and can work for a lot of people, not that I can say I'm enlightened but others are.
 
So what would your advice be for someone with severe schizophrenia? Simply stop thinking negative thoughts? Just ignore the voices? 8) Maybe an extreme example, but I think it still fits my argument.

I would just accept that I have schizophrenia, and hopefully be able to live my life without worrying about my schizophrenia all the time because of this. Also forgive myself for all the pain I've caused or will cause because of this altered perception I have(severe schizophrenia).
 
I would just accept that I have schizophrenia, and hopefully be able to live my life without worrying about my schizophrenia all the time because of this. Also forgive myself for all the pain I've caused or will cause because of this altered perception I have(severe schizophrenia).

Lol... You act like they have a choice whether to worry about having schizophrenia or not. Have you ever seen someone or talked to someone that had it when they are off their meds vs when they're on them? The difference is night and day. The likelyhood that someone with schizophrenia will somehow go on to live a happy successful life without medication is slim to none.
 
@nutty I've been reading up on SSRI's and MAOI's tonight, because I was unclear of what they exactly did and I now have a very very simple understanding. That was a good read, and it just reinforces my thoughts that I should try some form of medication.

Yea, give it a shot. Just know that it's basically trial and error. Not all meds work for everyone. Unfortunately I haven't really been successful with any of the meds I've tried yet for depression besides wellbutrin. But I didn't like how it made me feel jittery and irritable. Right now I'm just on xanax which helps a lot with my sleep and temper lol. It doesn't do as much for my depression, although I do think it helps some due to the fact that it helps some of my other symptoms.
 
@cire I smoke a lot of weed and it helps my mood. I want to try another I think.

Hi Death, I am late to this thread, sorry. How are you feeling today?
I just caught this comment you posted the other day and I feel that I must reply. Weed may be improving your mood for the period while you are high, however marijuana is quite well-known for exacerbating mental illness in some people (not all people, but some). It is entirely possible that your depression has been gradually getting worse because you smoke a lot of weed. Depending on how much you smoke and how frequently, STOPPING smoking weed could also make you feel a lot worse because you may experience psychological withdrawals from it. But it really is something to be aware of, that the pot could possibly be a factor in your current psychological state. What do you think? Is it possible that you could consider cutting down your usage to see if it helps?

Also, I know you mentioned that you've seen a psychiatrist before and he was a dick (I agree, the psychiatrists I've seen before have also been completely fucking useless). And you've also seen a couple of psychologists? In my personal experience psychologists are generally more effective because they actually talk through your issues and teach you methods of coping with your thought patterns. It's sometimes a longer process of treatment than say, prescribing medication. But in my opinion the effects of psychological therapy are generally longer-lasting, as opposed to the relative quick-fix of psych meds. The other thing to keep in mind is that although the two psychologists you saw in the past didn't really seem to be of much benefit to you, sometimes it can take seeing a few different psychologists before you find the right one for you (they are all humans with personalities of their own of course, and sometimes they can clash or not mesh well with their patients, it's only natural). If you're up for giving it another try with a therapist, I would recommend you try another psychologist, NOT another psychiatrist.

Either way, best of luck with whatever you decide to do, and keep us updated <3
 
@n3ophy7e I have quit just to see how it goes, and although it didn't seem to change much in my general mood, I'd always find myself wanting to get away from my negative feelings, wanting to be uplifted. I know it's not good for me, and I use it to feel better, and I honestly owe my life to it. I don't depend on it much anymore, and I could stop now for instance, but I usually want an out to the way I'm feeling and I usually have a bowl when I can. I just don't like having my usual feelings. If I do try any medication I'll stop smoking weed because I don't think I should while I'm on something, not for the risk of Serotonin Syndrome or anything like [because I don't think that'd happen from weed] that just because I think it could lessen the potential of their aid. As well as stopping other drugs.
Regardless of whether I go on meds I'm actually taking a month off drugs from today [excluding anything I get prescribed within that time]
I don't think the weed has made it worse, and I know at times it's helped immensely, only to have something happen to send me spiraling back down. These days it doesn't do much to help after the effects wear off, unless getting to sleep counts, I used to have these deep thoughts on my life while I was high that'd make me look at things objectively and help sort shit out, but that hasn't happened in a long time, which could be from the lack of problems in my physical life and the one problem I'm always trying to fix.

He diagnosed me with completely fucking ridiculous shit and wouldn't even acknowledge my depression.. I can't speak on which are more effective but I think some form of medication to help me is what I'm in need of, as well as talking to somebody I can connect with to an acceptable level about everything and just trying to sort shit out. I don't know which I'll see, I honestly think I need more than just will power/thoughts and whether that thought itself is the reason why or not is irrespective right now.
I'll keep you guys updated.
Thanks to everyone for the comments <3
 
I usually want an out to the way I'm feeling and I usually have a bowl when I can. I just don't like having my usual feelings.

I totally hear ya man, because I have been there myself.

I just want you to remember that we are HUMAN. Humans have feelings, sometimes we have good emotions and sometimes we have really really bad emotions. But it's okay. We are supposed to feel these things. If we feel depressed or overwhelmed or helpless or scared, sure it feels really shitty but it's actually quite normal to feel those things, and we can't keep constantly running away from those feelings by blocking them out with substances. Don't be afraid to face those negative emotions head-on and investigate what is causing you to feel that way in the first place. Because after all, emotions are always caused by something, they don't just happen for no reason, you just need to find out what the reason is and then work on finding a solution. If you keep ignoring what the cause is, you will always have these negative thoughts/emotions occurring.

Between 2003-2006 I was taking a shit-tonne of drugs (mainly MDMA) on a weekly basis just to escape my emotions. I didn't even realise what I was doing at the time, why I was doing it, and what problems it was causing. Then when I became clinically depressed and developed a serious eating disorder (caused by chemical imbalances in my brain, which were caused by my drug use) I immediately turned towards anti-depressants to try and make me better again. I'd become so accustomed to using substances of any description in order to get a quick-fix/"band-aid" for my problems. I tried therapy as well, but it just seemed like too much hassle and too much effort to get me back to a state of normality. Pills (anti-depressants) seemed like such an easier, quicker and more convenient option.

I started seeing a psychiatrist (the one I mentioned earlier who was useless) and he prescribed me some really potent anti-depressants, which brought on an entirely new set of problems for me. I only lasted on them for about 4 months before I tapered off them myself and just never went back to see him. I haven't been on any meds since then and although I'm still tackling my emotional problems on a daily basis, I'm no longer just trying to mask them with drugs/meds.


Of course you are entirely free to make your own choices about the treatments that you pursue from here, and if you try anti-depressants I really hope you find one that works well for you. But I just hope that you're keeping an open mind about everything psych/drug-related, and not just looking for an easy answer. In my experience with psychological problems, a good, long-lasting solution is never the easy one. You've gotta WORK for it. But it's so worth it in the end :)
 
the idea that true mental illness can be beat by "thinking positively" is pretty outrageous ...

some people really do need mood stabilizers... and other assorted schizoid meds..

get physical exercise 1hr every day and come back to me 1 month later and tell me the results
 
the idea that true mental illness can be beat by "thinking positively" is pretty outrageous ...

I don't think anyone in this thread has been implying that mental illness can be treated just with "positive thinking"...?

You're 100% right about the exercise thing though, regular exercise has been shown to improve mood and to stabilise emotions.
 
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