I can't f***ing sleep!!

[ro4eva]

I don't drink alcohol...like at all (I had a very severe addiction/dependency to it for 3 years...7 months sober now )

Isn't serequel an anti-psychotic? Will it make me gain weight? Or have other side-effects?

I find easing up on the Oxy and taking a Xanax at night helps.

You could be onto something there. I find morphine sulphate is much more sedating than oxy. Oxy tends to actually give me a buzz for the first 2 or 3 hours and THEN sedate me.

Congrats regarding staying away from booze.

Seroquel is an atypical antipsychotic. It can definitely cause significant weightgain, and is contraindicated in obese and/or type 2 diabetic patients. However, one low dose (low doses are prescribed off label for insomnia) shouldn't be enough to cause any weightgain issues. Plus it's not habit forming (at least IME).

P.S. - One of the reasons why Oxycodone is so popular is because it's really fun, but it's not very sedating. I know people who use it socially and stick with morphine/heroin/methadone when alone.

 

[RobotRipping]

^still it causes night terrors and nightmares for a bunch of people, including me. As well, once you're using seroquel to sleep every night for more than a month, good luck getting to sleep without it if you decide you can't handle the side effects anymore.

The only people that should be taking seroquel are people with symptoms of positive schizophrenia who have tried other medications already that didn't help. or stim/psych users who want to knock themselves out a few times per month. I say this having been prescribed seroquel for 2 months, fucking hated it, switched to hydroxyzine, much better IMO.

 

[bunge]

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This. without a doubt.
Seroquel is a chemical sledgehammer, it will knock you out but can do some real damage longterm. There seems to be a trend with doctors at the moment of prescribing it before exploring all other options.
I would even pick olanzapine before seroquel...and thats saying something!

Hey RobotRipping hope your having a good saturday night. Ive got a box of 25mg hydroxyzine in my box of tricks.lol Never gave them a proper go bit hear they work well with an opiate.
How much hydroxyzine would you use with a low-end opiate like dihydrocodeine?

 

[RobotRipping]

Hydroxyzine doesn't combo with codeine well.as it prevents conversion to morphine not sure if dihydrocodiene has that issue.try a Google search and thx have a great night as well

 

[dreamyworld]

Seroquel sucks, i take 200mg of the xr but haven't ever gone a day without it, i wonder if i'd be able to sleep without it. Hmmm

 

[ro4eva]

^still it causes night terrors and nightmares for a bunch of people, including me. As well, once you're using seroquel to sleep every night for more than a month, good luck getting to sleep without it if you decide you can't handle the side effects anymore.

I was on 100mg every night for 12 weeks for severe insomnia and I never, not once experienced night terrors or nightmares. And I didn't have a problem sleeping after stopping the stuff because it was making my blood sugar spike. And it'll depend on him (everybody reacts differently) as to what side effects will bother him the most.

The one side effect I recall the most was this nasty hangover-type feeling each morning.

The only people that should be taking seroquel are people with symptoms of positive schizophrenia who have tried other medications already that didn't help. or stim/psych users who want to knock themselves out a few times per month. I say this having been prescribed seroquel for 2 months, fucking hated it, switched to hydroxyzine, much better IMO.

I disagree. I feel that anyone who is desperate to get some sleep should try it as needed, as a last (or 2nd last perhaps before moving onto barbs) resort.

Seroquel is a chemical sledgehammer, it will knock you out but can do some real damage longterm. There seems to be a trend with doctors at the moment of prescribing it before exploring all other options.

Yes, it is a nasty drug. My first shrink did exactly that (Rx'd it first). If I knew then what I know now about it, and recalling what he told me about the drug when prescribing it - I probably would have assaulted him. Some of these quacks are a real piece of work.

That being said, I'd use it again (very sparingly) to help me sleep if absolutely nothing else was working. That's also taking Zyprexa into account, which I was also on for roughly 6 weeks before deciding my first shrink didn't have my best interests in mind (I noticed him writing my prescription with a "Seroquel" pen, and his prescription pad was on top of an "Effexor XR" clipboard - another drug he Rx'd me at first).

Re. nightmares - I found that whenever I used diphenhydramine (used in OTC sleep aids) to help me sleep, I experienced some of the most vivid nightmares ever. However, I am also willing to accept that others probably do not have any nightmares while using it. So again, it really depends on the person.

Oxy8_8 might find Seroquel works well, and with minimal side effects. Or, worst case scenario, Nueroleptic Malignant Syndrome?

 

[RobotRipping]

the nightmares are linked to the anticholinergic effects of AH or something like that.

anyway that's good you didn't experience nightmares/terrors but OP has already mentioned he experiences them without seroquel, since antihistamines have some sort of link with causing these things, i think my advice is still valid and makes sense.

the majority of people hate seroquel, it causes dysphoria, raises heart rate, can cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, restlessness, agitation and a bunch of other terrible effects including lack of concentration/focus/grogginess the next day. These aren't side effects that only happen to .15% of the population, they are quite common. Though i don't have stats to back that up.

Given the list of side effects, no one should take seroquel for sleep every single night. Yeah sure, 1-4x/month no big deal but i'm not talking about that. And that's a terrible worst case scenario lol, doesn't that show you that it's a terrible medication?

of course it depends on the person but seroquel isn't your regular old sleep aid, it's a fucking train hitting you at 1000m/h. Mirtazepine is a solid sleep aid but the side effects of weight gain make it shit for that purpose. Same thing with seroquel, which also causes weight gain anyway, among its many other pleasant side effects.

 

[laCster]

obviously drugs arent working for you anymore dude. you need to try other natural methods to get to sleep like exercise and meditation. all u need to do is exercise for 15mins a day and t will greatly help you sleep. also, one thing that i have found that helps is to do some medwiatation/streatching/yoga 15-20 mins before i go to bed. it doesnt need to be anything fancy, just do some stretches and stuff and just focus on your breathing. deep breaths also help you go to sleep. breath in for 4 secs, hold it for 7, and exhale for 8 secs. repeat 2-3 times and it should have you feeling relaxed. also, the foods you eat will also help you go to sleep. many people think that eatin before bed is bad cuz it will cause you to gain weight, but a light healthy snack consisting in foods packed with tyrptophan will help you sleep better. you want to mix slw digesting carbs with protein from dairy so that you arent woken up early because of a growling tummy. try almonds and greek yogurt or cottage cheese, or cheese and crackers. or fruit and yogurt. 95% of the serotonin procured by your body is made in the gut, eating foods high in tryptophan will increase your sert productions becau tryptophan is converted in one step to sert and then is converted to sert. also, try having a routine before bed that letd your body know it is time for sleep which includes the snack, meditation.yoga, breathing, ect....
another important part is to make sure you dim the lights 1-3 hrs befoe bed. when light shines on your eyes your body decreases melatonin production, thid is true for even synthetic light from TV, lights in your house, cell phone, computer, ect... make sure you dont do anything too stimulating before bed IE check your emails or BL or video games. contrary to popular belief, reading a book before bed will stimulate your brain too much, especially if it isd a rivoting story that you are interested in, same thing with counting sheep. next time you get in bed just focus on your breathing or listen to calming music without too many lyrics or heavy riffs. if you are lying in your bed for more than 30 mins and you cannot get to sleep, get out of bed and do something !!!!!! laying in bed wide awake will progam your body to think that you are supposed to be wake in bed..

whatever the case may be, DRUGS ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING!! it is time to try something different dude..

hope i helped,
-laC

 

[bunge]

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Good post!
I can attest to the snack before bed and stretching.
The breathing exercises are something i frequently do while in bed. Breathe un for a count of 3, hold for 2 and out for 4. I usually repeat this 7 or 8 times and then i literally feel relaxation wash over me.
The main thing not to get too fustrated with lack of sleep, the body will force itself to sleep when it needs too. Theres only a handful of rare conditions/illnesses that cause dangerous insomnia and chances so its alot more likely that a lifestyle change would help the most.

 

[ro4eva]

...the majority of people hate seroquel...

Hate's a strong word for me, but I certainly don't enjoy taking it either.

...no one should take seroquel for sleep every single night. Yeah sure, 1-4x/month no big deal but i'm not talking about that. And that's a terrible worst case scenario lol, doesn't that show you that it's a terrible medication?

Aye, it is a terrible medication, given the possible side effects - short term, and long. Again though, if I were desperate to knock myself out somehow because nothing else works and I'm on the verge of becoming delirious due to severe sleep deprivation, then I'd use it very sparingly. But that's because - for whatever reason IME - it's the most tolerable neuroleptic for me. And that's in comparison to the others I've been on which includes Zyprexa (Olanzapine), Risperdal (Risperidone), Clozaril (Clozapine), and one more which I don't remember.

 

[theantiadult]

i think serouel works better and has less side effects than many other similar drugs.kava and melatonin would help u sleep and reduce anxiety in general.