• Philosophy and Spirituality
    Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Threads of Note Socialize
  • P&S Moderators: JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

I believe in Nothing

I'm not saying that I don't want to learn. I am saying that no matter what the subject, the more i learn about it, the clearer it is to me that it is all bull shit. All labels, or opinions, or illusions. Nothing is absolutely true. So i can't see the point in investing myself in any philosophy or religion when in the end I know that I am just lying to myself.

I certainly don't think that this way of thinking is easier. It's hard to get up every day when you can't find meaning or truth in it. I think of it as a phase rather than my life outlook. And that is the point of this thread...I want to get out of this phase but I dont think i can lie to myself.

are there any extreamly cynical philosophies?

has anyone been in my position and moved on?
 
There's skeptical postmodernism and affirmative postmodernism.

You can know everything is false and be sad about not finding anything.

Or you can play around with all the fake stuff and make neat cool stuff, like radiohead. :\
 
its all in your head.........

boths sides as in beleiving and trusting in a beliefe to make your life make more sense and give it more purpose, untill u find something wrong with it then u loose your beleife and your back to point zero.both sides, one is believing the other isnt.dissbeliefe also happens when your a kid and u dont take anything seriously, u dont belive in anything but what u experience, and no illisions.i also agree that there can be as many sides as there are people though,but every person will most likely share beliefes in order to make it stronger and more reliable.

N shit
 
I don't see why people get so disheartened when they find out that they have been lying to themselves for their entire lives. Essentially, it opens up infinite possibilities for you to explore. People bitch about their life being meaningless and such, but I tend to see things a bit more positively. Without any external "truth" you don't have to worry about fucking up and getting life "wrong". Just make up some stuff to go by and when it stops working skip to something else. People taking life to seriously is what makes them such boring, downer assholes.
 
The only reason everything is "relative" is because we experience it with a conciousness and a capability of choice.

In this life you have choice.... the choice to do "anything!!!"....(of course within the contraints of your mortal body and societys restrictions) but at the end of the day the ability of choice gives us an infinite array of choices.... just because you cant take a particular course of action it does not mean your choices are restricted.... they are still infinite.

Everything isnt "nothing"
Everything is everything... everything simply "is"...

Thats why I prefer Taoist teachings to pure buddhism.... buddhists believe in nothing... Taoists believe in everything...

At the end of the day choice stops "nothing" from occuring.... how can you believe in nothing when you are consciously and actively persuing that path??? you are doing something so nothing cannot exist.

Buddha smiles because he knows the world is nothing...
I smile because I know the world is everything and I have unlimited choices within this amazing playground of life...
 
Once you believe in nothing, or the emptiness of all things, you can create your own reality for yourself. So, what do you want to be? You can be it because there are no limits to nothing. How do you want to feel? You can feel anything if you want to, because nothing inhibits you. Nihilism is a great gateway to happiness because at last you are not bound by anything. You have the ability and mindset to turn nothing into whatever you choose. No one can choose things for you, or manipulate you, or affect you if you don't want them to, because you are just as empty as they are. The material world isnt concrete anymore, because all things fade. Quit your job, and start living the way you want to live, be the way you want to be, because nothing can stop you, if everything is nothing. Your choice will be the entirety of your reality, and all you have to do is decide what you want, and realize it.
 
^
looks like an expanded definition of chaos, you must agree that we need certain moral limits that someone much wiser than us must emply, that being the reason that we are basically grown into society without a choice, it's believed to better for us. There will always be those of us that are not willing to exept this, the history of our time makes it upsetting that the majority of them go un-noticed. But if people use religeon to seek happiness and your conscience choice makes you happy, go for it
 
Last edited:
bleedingheartcommie said:
I'm not saying that I don't want to learn. I am saying that no matter what the subject, the more i learn about it, the clearer it is to me that it is all bull shit. All labels, or opinions, or illusions. Nothing is absolutely true. So i can't see the point in investing myself in any philosophy or religion when in the end I know that I am just lying to myself.

I certainly don't think that this way of thinking is easier. It's hard to get up every day when you can't find meaning or truth in it. I think of it as a phase rather than my life outlook. And that is the point of this thread...I want to get out of this phase but I dont think i can lie to myself.

are there any extreamly cynical philosophies?

has anyone been in my position and moved on?
Click to expand...

Ever thought of believing in science? My former atheistic views were based on the fact that science would eventually explain it all.......

IF u think about it..............Science is still very young.......and who is to say it has an actual maturity or a finite potential?

Science's potential and possiblilites are infinite......

Anyone care to refute?
 
JTNOLA5211 said:
Ever thought of believing in science? My former atheistic views were based on the fact that science would eventually explain it all.......

IF u think about it..............Science is still very young.......and who is to say it has an actual maturity or a finite potential?

Science's potential and possiblilites are infinite......

Anyone care to refute?
Click to expand...

The thing about science is that it can answer the how question but not the why question. I think that science will become increasingly more complex and the data will keep piling up, but it will never get around to filling in the meanings of things because it has no way to answer those kind of questions.
Also, science is empirical (based on the assumption that sensory data is correct and the absolute truth). This means that it is as fallible and limited as our senses are.
Also, as old theory is replaced with new theory, the science of the future will probably be alot different to the science of now, but still no truer.

Bleedingheartcommie- I think your sense of hopelessness comes from the fact that you've always believed in things in the past and always had that to fall back on. Now you don't have that luxury. Now you're learning that nothing in life is that certain and you have to get used to it. And I think you will. Let's just say it's all a part of growing up ;)
 
_high_life_ said:
now i feel like i kno too much about this world and its ways that it really depresses me.i realize that me being alive is in this society is just a real let down since the world isnt really as great as i used to think.
Click to expand...

I would agree 110%. I'm a nihilist, and there are times when I wish I wasn't. It's strange how you look for the freedom but when you get it you wonder if you weren't better off in the lies. I guess you trade one burden for another.

Also, there are some great posts here, particularly the science and "how" one. Fits well as I head off to Biochem.
 
I guess you trade one burden for another.
Click to expand...

It's funny that so many people regardless of beliefs/spirituality seem to consider life as being some kind of burden...

lets just think about that for a minute...

what is a burden?
an obligation perhaps?... a heavy load to be carried throughout life?
what is this load exactly? freedom?...choice?...conciousness?

Arent these good things????
Arent these things the very hopes and ideals we cherish and stive for? Since when is freedom and choice a problem???

When the opposite to "life" and "living" is never being able to experience this world around us... never having "opportunity" or never having observed this amazing world what choice do you really have but to embrace life? It is something that we have been granted and should be thankfull that our conciousness (whatever that might be) was chosen to be alive.

Why does life have to be such a problem? It doesn't...embrace life...it is there for the taking...

no?
 
punktuality said:
...it is there for the taking...

no?
Click to expand...

lol Are you French?

Among the things I don't believe in....

choice
&
Freewill


Our past events and expiriences determin what choices we make. (our future)

Choice and free will are things that we have made up in order to justify meaning.....I see humanity as the playing out of atomic energy.......and consciousness as a byproduct....anyone else?
 
ok...lets imagine that we unequivically believe that we have no choice...
cant you just sit back and enjoy the ride?

I like the approach of Taoism...
Its like... the universe is going to do what its doing one way or another... you can either fight it (which you cant) or sit back and go with the flow.
When you sit back and follow "the way" that the world unfolds...it is amazing to watch everything fall into place so perfectly.

Whilst we may not have choice (thats a whole other debate) we do have a conciousness capable of observation... and the light in whcih we observe this world can make all the difference.
 
WhyzFool said:
Once you believe in nothing, or the emptiness of all things, you can create your own reality for yourself. So, what do you want to be? You can be it because there are no limits to nothing. How do you want to feel?
Click to expand...


Not exactly. To do that you need to believe it is possible to gain something greater then your current state. You also need to know how to create your own reality, and how to rid yourself of attachments, fear, anger etc. That takes dedication, intent and research.
 
bleedingheartcommie said:
but seriously.. reality, emotion, morality, truth, happiness ....they are all completely relative to culture, history, and perception. There is no absolute truth if truth is relative
Click to expand...


I actually feel the opposite. Your emotional state, fears, addictions and all that define a lot about how you see the world and function in it. It directly effects perception.

Culture and history is something else entirely, it is the meaning we attach to symbols, based on various influeces in our environment. But its ultimately upto us as to how we respond to those symbols. Marketting does create certain responses, to trigger action, but its upto you whether you fall for it or not. Your always in control, whether you believe it or not. You view does kinda lack some responsiblity, to say your are the way you are cause of your upbringing or whatever, and therefore have no control over your responses to the triggers in life. I think that actually you have full control, you know who you are, and you know how you think. You can change that if its has a negative influence.
 
Choice and free will are things that we have made up in order to justify meaning.....
Click to expand...
If we have no free will, no choice, you're overlooking the fact that it could not have been any other way.

I see humanity as the playing out of atomic energy.......and consciousness as a byproduct....anyone else?
Click to expand...

Not me. It doesn't make sense.

ok...lets imagine that we unequivically believe that we have no choice...
cant you just sit back and enjoy the ride?
Click to expand...
I'd imagine that we cannot choose to enjoy the ride if their is no free will to make a choice. If there is no free will, the people who believe in free will didn't choose to believe that any more than the people who don't believe in free will chose their beliefs.
 
Last edited:
Create your own ideals. Make your Self.
Click to expand...

Ah, Nietzsche revisited. I don't like his solution much at all.

Anyway, I've been in your position. The way out isn't to start picking up beliefs that are obviously false. The way out is to go even deeper, and start asking yourself whether you still hold falsely limiting assumptions about time and space, about who you really are. Some time in meditation will make these false boundaries rise to the surface, and you can then discard them. Eventually you may see past your questions, although there is ultimately no answer to cling to except this life as it is lived. It doesn't have meaning, which is a limited human concept compared to the action of the infinite, but it is a beautiful dance to experience. When the person living the life is no longer terrified, isolated, and limited in time and space as a separate ego, there is peace.
 
I believe I'm stuck in a logistical loop. I see nothing creating everything, so therefore it is god. But perhaps the big bang explosion of light was everything condensed, then expanding to create the universe. Shouldn't that explosion be god, and us resulting from this? That contradicts the nothing statement of it being god. Creation sucks.


Prescription religions are so attractive, kinda like a burger compared to a vegan meal. Which makes you live longer?
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top