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I asked for ecstasy, he said he has molly
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That's why the slangs are such BS, they merely confuse things.
MDMA refers to a Shulgin-approved abbreviation for an actual chemical name. That *should* be clear enough. Powder, pressed in a pill, doesn't matter.
Likewise, I think in an idea world, the slang (ecstasy, molly, etc.) should all refer to the same thing that everyone really wants. Which is MDMA. If the active ingredient is something different, no matter how similar it is, it should not be called the same thing. I know dealers will misrepresent, but that's only because that's the way the illegal marketplace works. It should not be *accepted* as fact.
If you went to a pharmacist for Xanax (alprazolam) and the pharmacist gave you Valium (diazepam) instead, would you be happy? No. But if the pharmacist world acted like the current drug dealer marketplace, the pharmacist would be selling random tablets as "benzeys" that could be Xanax, Valium, Klonopan, or garbage benzodiazepines like phenazepam, mixed in with random barbiturates and maybe an antipsychotic piperazine every now and then for good measure. *facepalm*
Even though your points are vague, I don't see how your saying anything different than I am. Please bear in mind that it wasn't me who got hung up on technicalities and semantics. I said ecstasy are adulterated with contaminants, and everyone jumped on my back for calling it ecstasy.
Yes, realistically ecstasy (or any drug) may have some impurities, but if the primary ingredient isn't the drug it's named after than it's disingenuous to call it that drug. I think most would agree that if a MDMA pill had 1% (or even 50 %) MDMA you couldn't rightly call it ecstasy.
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Fundamentally I am in agreement. Please though for the love of god read my posts and understand that due to several different factors:
Inability to identify the contents
Different regions
Unstandardized black market
Lack of knowledge in respect to drugs and their colloquial terms
It's nearly impossible to use the correct slang all the time. I'm sure each ecstasy user has consumed contaminated pills and enjoyed them while under the impression that they are ecstasy.
As the first poster on this page said, the only way to prove ecstasy is adulterated and not really ecstasy is with a test kit.
2 a morbid aversion to colors.
3 an album by a Brazilian dj called GUI borrato.
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Fundamentally I am in agreement. Please though for the love of god read my posts and understand that due to several different factors:
Inability to identify the contents
Different regions
Unstandardized black market
Lack of knowledge in respect to drugs and their colloquial terms
It's nearly impossible to use the correct slang all the time. I'm sure each ecstasy user has consumed contaminated pills and enjoyed them while under the impression that they are ecstasy.
As the first poster on this page said, the only way to prove ecstasy is adulterated and not really ecstasy is with a test kit.
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Holy shit dude you really are serious haha. If I bought weed and got home and it was oregano do we call that weed? If I want crack and I get home and I find out its a piece of drywall do we call that crack? (Both of which has happened to me many years ago grrr) your ignorance my friend is the reason why when people ask for ecstacy they get anything and everything other than MDMA. Educate yourself!
StrutterGear
Bluelight Crew
Err since I get fifty threads a day with stupid threads like "should I take molly, MDMA or XTC?"
THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.
Notice how I just call it MDMA to avoid confusion amongst less educated members of the site, who think they are different substances.
Ill crack the books sir, ill educate myself so one day I can be so educated in the hopes that I will reach your complex level of intelligence.
Even if you do get crack, it's most likely not 100 percent cocaine. Even marijuana is contaminated a lot of the time. Unless there is a guideline to what purities drugs have and labels according to that, than me, and everyone the fuck else in this planet is allowed to call any substance whatever they want. I don't even know why I reply to posts like yours, when you clearly haven't read the whole thread.
To the moderator:
Since you are given the job of helping people without discrimination, I find it quite sad that you call people "less educated" and "stupid". This is an international forum and you should be the one educating yourself on local slang. Just because people have different slang to what you have in the UK it doesn't make them any lesser. In each persons respective country or city they are certainly not the same, as several users have pointed out. Your an arrogant individual who thinks that because he's in a position of power every word that you write is gold set in stone. Do yourself a favor and get off your high horse.
Typical British arrogance.
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StrutterGear
Bluelight Crew
I'm insulted you think I don't help out the less informed considering the work I put into this forum. You're a new member so I don't expect you to have realised. If you can show me one post cunting somebody off for being "less informed" right off the bat I'd like you to show me it. I was new to MDMA at one point so I NEVER chastise those who are in the position I once was.
It's only when people refuse to accept the facts, like yourself, by suggesting ecstasy is a drug all of it's own. Just because you're used to something not being the real deal does not mean it isn't. No amount of wiki pages you drum up will change that. Like I said before, a drought and some fake pills does not suddenly make ecstasy not MDMA.
I'll let your putrid insults slide since I'm busy doing my dissertation and I'm a nice guy.
It's funny how stupid has all of a sudden changed to less informed. Are you trying to prove something by saying you have a dissertation? I am in medical school and I don't bitch about having to post here. If you have time do it if you don't then don't. I know the facts pretty damn well thanks.
I know that ecstasy is MDMA but I accept the fact that sometimes it isn't or partially is.
I live in the real world not lala land and as I said before that applies to every illicit drug where it is a fact that most of them are adulterated yet their colloquial names don't change.
Another fact is you called people stupid and uneducated and yet you deny doing so.
It is also another fact that others share the same notion internationally that ecstasy is reference to tablet form of MDMA contaminated or not, and another fact is that many people refer to MD or Molly or MDMA as MDMA in crystal form or powder form. Wikipedia has sources to those claims so when you might have time away from your dissertation please check them out. So when people ask you "should I take Molly XTC or MDMA" did it once cross your mind to not label them as stupid and accept that in their respective cities, countries, or states they might be referring to tablets, crystals, or powder. My answer would be: "even though ecstasy, MDMA, and Molly should be the same drug I think what your dealer was referring to is ecstasy in tablet form of MDMA and Molly as crystal form, try asking your dealer to clarify as slang terms can vary world wide."
Fact I never said ecstasy is a drug on its own or that ecstasy is not MDMA. Your logic is twisted and backwards. I was merely pointing out that 'ecstasy' tablets often have contaminants and that its impractical and impossible for every person to know every ingredient in his pill. As folley pointed out "ecstasy could be ecstasy or ecstasy could be shit."
You say your a nice guy but I don't buy it, you come off as an arrogant know it all. You put a lot of work in this forum but you've revealed your true self in this thread. Why would I want to go further than here to know who you really are regardless of what you have done and will do. You have a god complex which If I were you would want to address with someone.
I know that ecstasy is MDMA but I accept the fact that sometimes it isn't or partially is.
I live in the real world not lala land and as I said before that applies to every illicit drug where it is a fact that most of them are adulterated yet their colloquial names don't change.
Another fact is you called people stupid and uneducated and yet you deny doing so.
It is also another fact that others share the same notion internationally that ecstasy is reference to tablet form of MDMA contaminated or not, and another fact is that many people refer to MD or Molly or MDMA as MDMA in crystal form or powder form. Wikipedia has sources to those claims so when you might have time away from your dissertation please check them out. So when people ask you "should I take Molly XTC or MDMA" did it once cross your mind to not label them as stupid and accept that in their respective cities, countries, or states they might be referring to tablets, crystals, or powder. My answer would be: "even though ecstasy, MDMA, and Molly should be the same drug I think what your dealer was referring to is ecstasy in tablet form of MDMA and Molly as crystal form, try asking your dealer to clarify as slang terms can vary world wide."
Fact I never said ecstasy is a drug on its own or that ecstasy is not MDMA. Your logic is twisted and backwards. I was merely pointing out that 'ecstasy' tablets often have contaminants and that its impractical and impossible for every person to know every ingredient in his pill. As folley pointed out "ecstasy could be ecstasy or ecstasy could be shit."
You say your a nice guy but I don't buy it, you come off as an arrogant know it all. You put a lot of work in this forum but you've revealed your true self in this thread. Why would I want to go further than here to know who you really are regardless of what you have done and will do. You have a god complex which If I were you would want to address with someone.
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StrutterGear
Bluelight Crew
Comedy gold my friend.
Show me where I called anyone stupid? I called dealers idiots, which 90% of the time they are. Misinformed to the max and will say whatever to get you to buy their product. Show me where I said people on this forum are stupid. I never denied saying people were uneducated with regard to MDMA, I said I don't chastise them. I said show me where I chastise these people and you have failed to provide this evidence. This is because it does not exist.
What do you think I have to prove by saying I'm doing my diss? Other than the fact I'm too busy to be dealing with your over the top responses, which is why this will be my last response to the matter.
Because of the wide ranging "slang terms" which are INTERCHANGEABLE not stand alone, we try to get people to refer to it as MDMA/MDA only. This is in the forum rules, if you have a problem then take it up with the admins.
God complex my ass mate, sort it out.
Show me where I called anyone stupid? I called dealers idiots, which 90% of the time they are. Misinformed to the max and will say whatever to get you to buy their product. Show me where I said people on this forum are stupid. I never denied saying people were uneducated with regard to MDMA, I said I don't chastise them. I said show me where I chastise these people and you have failed to provide this evidence. This is because it does not exist.
What do you think I have to prove by saying I'm doing my diss? Other than the fact I'm too busy to be dealing with your over the top responses, which is why this will be my last response to the matter.
Because of the wide ranging "slang terms" which are INTERCHANGEABLE not stand alone, we try to get people to refer to it as MDMA/MDA only. This is in the forum rules, if you have a problem then take it up with the admins.
God complex my ass mate, sort it out.
By saying people have stupid threads your implying that there stupid. I'm not the one who has a problem with slang terms, you are. How can you deny help to an individual confused by slang terms just because ecstasy may mean something else where they live, which your right ideally it is wrong but its not harm reduction. If I came here and asked you to clarify why my dealer is offering me ecstasy tablets or MDMA your going to deny me help because in your world they mean the same thing. All of a sudden your agreeing with me that slang terms are interchangeable, which is what I've been stressing from the beginning.
Bottom line is you think I'm in disagreement with you which I'm not, but you decided to jump on my back for calling ecstasy tablets adulterated and contaminated, which according to ecstasy data they mostly are.
You don't want to comment further on the matter because you acknowledge that your wrong and you chose to try and belittle someone to provide you with a false sense of grandeur. It's a shame that an arsenal fan can behave like this. Hiding behind admins, rich.
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Folley
Bluelighter
Strutter, you're doing great. You've said nothing wrong, this Choomb is just getting ridiculous.
PILLS can be adulterated, yet ECSTASY is MDMA. If a pill has no MDMA, it is not ecstasy. It can be CALLED ecstasy, but that doesn't make it pure anymore than me selling you a sack of shit and calling it gold makes you rich.
"Molly" is called a "purer" form of the drug because it is that, it is crystal that is not mixed with pill binders and dye. That makes it more pure... does that make it MDMA? NO.
PILLS can be adulterated, yet ECSTASY is MDMA. If a pill has no MDMA, it is not ecstasy. It can be CALLED ecstasy, but that doesn't make it pure anymore than me selling you a sack of shit and calling it gold makes you rich.
"Molly" is called a "purer" form of the drug because it is that, it is crystal that is not mixed with pill binders and dye. That makes it more pure... does that make it MDMA? NO.