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I asked for ecstasy, he said he has molly

I rest my case. If we're going to pursue your logic then heroin shouldn't be called heroin since its mostly cut unless you have ties to the Taliban, cocaine shouldn't be called cocaine, and every other street drug that dealers step on dozens of times.
 
Wow this thread really goes to show people these days have no fucking idea and are ignorant, no offence to anyone though.

Ecstasy, generally refers to pills but can be MDMA powder, SHOULD be either MDMA or MDA... the only variation there is and should be were all back in the old school raving days the 90's when presses were always, 99% of the time MDMA or MDA, the variations were a combo of MDMA and MDA, sometimes MDEA and sometimes a tiny bit of amphetamine... Also no references to back this up but IIRC they used to plauy around with the synth to get different ratios of isomers but it was mostly just the racemic MDMA.

Ecstasy nowadways more often than not isnt just MDMA/MDA as it should be, if you do get an MDMA pill enjoy the fuck out of it, more often than not its cut with meth most commonly, then as said before piperazines, ketamine, 2C-x series and methylone etc

The problem is people these days just want something that gets them fucked, chances are they have never had real MDMA and they think they are rolling on pipes... it annoys the fuck out of me people need to educate themselves and STOP buying shit presses.
 
MollyFein74 said:
Wow this thread really goes to show people these days have no fucking idea and are ignorant, no offence to anyone though.

Ecstasy, generally refers to pills but can be MDMA powder, SHOULD be either MDMA or MDA... the only variation there is and should be were all back in the old school raving days the 90's when presses were always, 99% of the time MDMA or MDA, the variations were a combo of MDMA and MDA, sometimes MDEA and sometimes a tiny bit of amphetamine... Also no references to back this up but IIRC they used to plauy around with the synth to get different ratios of isomers but it was mostly just the racemic MDMA.

Ecstasy nowadways more often than not isnt just MDMA/MDA as it should be, if you do get an MDMA pill enjoy the fuck out of it, more often than not its cut with meth most commonly, then as said before piperazines, ketamine, 2C-x series and methylone etc

The problem is people these days just want something that gets them fucked, chances are they have never had real MDMA and they think they are rolling on pipes... it annoys the fuck out of me people need to educate themselves and STOP buying shit presses.
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Finally, a voice of reason
Here's another thread on a random forum who seem to understand more than these kids thinking they're getting pure MDMA

http://www.psychonaut.com/synthetics-user-related/37526-ecstacy-vs-molly.html
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/656666-quot-Molly-quot-Methylone-straight-from-the-dealers-mouth

I think that^ thread should clear things up about how dealers feel about how they name their product. "Molly" is interchangable with "ecstasy" or "thizz" or "Mandy" or "smackerz" or what ever other bull shit term people come up with. Even if they sell it as MDMA, which they probably will if you ask, it most likely isn't. Well, in America at least.




Back in the days you could trust when someone said they had pills or crystal, now the only thing you can trust is a reagent reaction.


Reagent kits can be found here: http://dancesafe.org/node/14312







There is a lot of fuss over something we all agree on, ecstasy can be MDMA, or it can be complete shit. Only a reagent will tell you what it REALLY is.
 
MDMA has become widely known as "ecstasy" (shortened to "E", "X", or "XTC"), usually referring to its street pill form, although this term may also include the presence of possible adulterants.

The term "molly" (or "mandy" in the UK) colloquially refers to MDMA in powder or crystalline form, usually implying a higher level of purity.[3]

Another concern associated with MDMA use is toxicity from chemicals other than MDMA in ecstasy tablets. Due to its near-universal illegality, the purity of ecstasy is unknown to the typical user. The MDMA content of tablets varies widely between regions and different brands of pills and fluctuates somewhat each year. Pills may contain other active substances meant to stimulate in a way similar to MDMA, such as amphetamine, mephedrone, methamphetamine, ephedrine, caffeine, all of which may be comparatively cheap to produce and can help to boost overall profits.
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Stop getting cute, if you want to keep arguing technicalities I'm willing to go as long as you want. Since when were you the authority on what should be called ecstasy or what shouldn't.
 
Chromophobia said:
Yes, but unfortunately it is no longer that. Ecstacy used to be the slang for MDMA. Now it's slang for a pill that could include x,y,z ingredients.
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Just cause your area has a lot of crap pills doesn't make ecstacy ketamine or other shit.

Come to the Netherlands. Nobody here uses pure mdma, everybody has good pills ;)
 
Netherlands is one of the biggest producers and exporters of ecstasy tablets in the world, how could you expect less. I've been to Amsterdam, many people use crystal, many people use tablets. I have friends who are excellent cooks and export from Canada all over the United States. So I'm happy with the product here. Thanks.
 
Chromophobia said:
Netherlands is one of the biggest producers and exporters of ecstasy tablets in the world, how could you expect less. I've been to Amsterdam, many people use crystal, many people use tablets. I have friends who are excellent cooks and export from Canada all over the United States. So I'm happy with the product here. Thanks.
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Most in amsterdam ask for ecstacy and get MDMA tablets, exactly what they asked for and expected. In the US and Canada many are asking for ecstacy and hoping for MDMA, they are not hoping for some sort of adulterant are they? So again Ecstacy = MDMA Your going absolutley no where with this are you, you wont be told. Your willing to go as long as you want, quoting random websites and posting topics of "MDMA vs Molly" which is exactly the same thing? Good luck im over it
 
Chromophobia said:
Netherlands is one of the biggest producers and exporters of ecstasy tablets in the world, how could you expect less. I've been to Amsterdam, many people use crystal, many people use tablets. I have friends who are excellent cooks and export from Canada all over the United States. So I'm happy with the product here. Thanks.
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Indeed, ecstasy tablets. And guess what our pills contain.. mdma!

No meth or whatever kinda crap you have.. ecstasy pill = mdma

Just cause your street dealers call other drugs ecstasy doesn't make it true.
 
The dispute is whether or not adulterated ecstasy tablets can be called ecstacy. It's just an argument over terminology. Just as my quote from Wikipedia says, even if the tablets are adulterated they can be called ecstacy. Heres an example, if your pill is 99 percent ecstasy and 1 percent caffiene, does it no longer qualify as ecstacy. Even standardized pharmaceutical pills have inactive ingredients, and every illicit drug has adulterants, does that mean you stop calling heroin heroin, or dope, or methamphatamine meth, or ice, or oxycodone oxy, absolutely fucking not. Maybe in utopia where every ecstasy tablet is 100 percent pure MDMA with no contaminants ecstasy shall be reffered to as MDMA. But in reality, thats absolutely impractical because most people dont have test kits and arent carrying them around to festivals or their dealers house or a house party. The dispute isn't who has better ecstasy tablets. A simple search on ecstacydata.org can reveal that.

IME from living in Canada, Europe, and the US, people refer to tablets as ecstacy, and crystal as MDMA. I went to an American high school in Dubai when I was young and I have friends from all over Europe and especially the UK, in LSE, queen Mary's, Bristol, and friends in holland in The Hague or Amsterdam, I have to tell you everyone shares the same consensus.

Ecstasy=tablet of MDMA with or without contaminants
Molly or MDMA=crystal MDMA.




Mattnotrik, learn some grammar ffs.
 
Chromophobia said:
Ecstasy=tablet of MDMA with or without contaminants
Molly or MDMA=crystal MDMA.
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Still doesn't make any sense.

Some dealers call their methylone molly, does that make molly mdma with other stuff? No, molly=mdma, ecstasy=mdma in a pill form.
 
Ecstasy=tablet of MDMA with or without contaminants
Molly or MDMA=crystal MDMA.
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Both are Slang terms so by their very definition are specific to local groups or regions there is no correct definition in the English Dictionary as a result there is no specific answer to either term.
 
futura2012 said:
Both are Slang terms so by their very definition are specific to local groups or regions there is no correct definition in the English Dictionary as a result there is no specific answer to either term.
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I couldn't agree more. It's not only specific to regions but it differs from province to province, state to state, or city to city.
 
Chromophobia said:
IME from living in Canada, Europe, and the US, people refer to tablets as ecstacy, and crystal as MDMA. I went to an American high school in Dubai when I was young and I have friends from all over Europe and especially the UK, in LSE, queen Mary's, Bristol, and friends in holland in The Hague or Amsterdam, I have to tell you everyone shares the same consensus.
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That's why the slangs are such BS, they merely confuse things. :p

MDMA refers to a Shulgin-approved abbreviation for an actual chemical name. That *should* be clear enough. Powder, pressed in a pill, doesn't matter.

Likewise, I think in an idea world, the slang (ecstasy, molly, etc.) should all refer to the same thing that everyone really wants. Which is MDMA. If the active ingredient is something different, no matter how similar it is, it should not be called the same thing. I know dealers will misrepresent, but that's only because that's the way the illegal marketplace works. It should not be *accepted* as fact.

If you went to a pharmacist for Xanax (alprazolam) and the pharmacist gave you Valium (diazepam) instead, would you be happy? No. But if the pharmacist world acted like the current drug dealer marketplace, the pharmacist would be selling random tablets as "benzeys" that could be Xanax, Valium, Klonopan, or garbage benzodiazepines like phenazepam, mixed in with random barbiturates and maybe an antipsychotic piperazine every now and then for good measure. *facepalm*
 
Dreams said:
I'm not sure what the nuance is. I always thought Molly and Ecstasy were both slangs for MDMA. The only two times i took E were in a different country while I was on vacation. So, I'm asking around through friends etc. I've never researched the different kinds of pills, but when I asked if they had any logo or color, some seemed clueless or maybe a little bit surprised that I would ask for these details.
I guess I could always buy a testing kit, but if I don't, what should I ask the seller to get a better idea of what I'm getting?
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in this context it's slang. around where i live molly is powder (could be in capsules) and ecstasy would be in pill form.
 
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