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I’m full blown relapsed.

Fingers crossed for u mate.
They're going to hold onto my position for me, it'll be a new contract because it'll be a good.couple weeks (at least I think) and Ive got next to no hours put in. Theyre pretty supportive of me trying to get well and made some suggestions where I can go. If I show up with a doctors note later on saying I'm well, I'm welcome to come back and start over again.
 
They're going to hold onto my position for me, it'll be a new contract because it'll be a good.couple weeks (at least I think) and Ive got next to no hours put in. Theyre pretty supportive of me trying to get well and made some suggestions where I can go. If I show up with a doctors note later on saying I'm well, I'm welcome to come back and start over again.
So what u gonna do? U ready to quit
 
Alex, the sooner you realize that you are not special you’re not one off you are not unique, the sooner you’ll get real and, if you want it get clean.
Alt, sounds like you’ve been self diagnosing all your life. How’s it worked out for you? Be honest now.
We are drug addicts Plain and simple no splitting hairs. Common symptoms are as follows.
When things are going great in your life, when you should be content. Yet you can to throw a grenade in the works.
If, When looking in the mirror, what you see is never good enough. Once again honesty is imperative here.
If you have hard time accepting compliments or praise.
And finally, and most importantly I believe, if your psych/doctor has prescribed a plethora Of nerve and psych meds, and oh my god they haven’t worked, you’re just a fucking addict. Me too welcome to the club.
Now, are you going to be like me and waste a shit load of time, come to the slow painful realization that you’ve been this way longer than not, and even living to the ripe old age of 100, you’ll neverUndo all the damage, or retrain your brain.
Fuck it all. Give up. You’re an amateur boxer that keeps getting knocked the fuck out, but keeps climbing in the ring with all Tyson hoping for a victory.
 
They're going to hold onto my position for me, it'll be a new contract because it'll be a good.couple weeks (at least I think) and Ive got next to no hours put in. Theyre pretty supportive of me trying to get well and made some suggestions where I can go. If I show up with a doctors note later on saying I'm well, I'm welcome to come back and start over again.

YES. Glad it went that way. Now follow through and get right asshole! ;)
 
Good. Stick to only the adhd medication. That shit is worlds better than unlimited meth doses. Vyvanse should be enough for the adhd + getting out of the meth headspace.
 
I have told my job today everything. Addictions,
mental health, health problems with autoimmune disease screwing me up this year and all. I am asking if they can help me in any capacity and retain my job while I get help. I can't show up to this job high, I just can't. It's not safe for me or the company. I need to get help and stop this.
I believe in you, man!
 
Alex, the sooner you realize that you are not special you’re not one off you are not unique, the sooner you’ll get real and, if you want it get clean.
Alt, sounds like you’ve been self diagnosing all your life. How’s it worked out for you? Be honest now.
We are drug addicts Plain and simple no splitting hairs. Common symptoms are as follows.
When things are going great in your life, when you should be content. Yet you can to throw a grenade in the works.
If, When looking in the mirror, what you see is never good enough. Once again honesty is imperative here.
If you have hard time accepting compliments or praise.
And finally, and most importantly I believe, if your psych/doctor has prescribed a plethora Of nerve and psych meds, and oh my god they haven’t worked, you’re just a fucking addict. Me too welcome to the club.
Now, are you going to be like me and waste a shit load of time, come to the slow painful realization that you’ve been this way longer than not, and even living to the ripe old age of 100, you’ll neverUndo all the damage, or retrain your brain.
Fuck it all. Give up. You’re an amateur boxer that keeps getting knocked the fuck out, but keeps climbing in the ring with all Tyson hoping for a victory.
i was sober for quite awhile (6 months) when I got my full diagnoses, by a psychiatrist. Idon't self diagnose anything I wish didn't have conccurrent disorder. My meds don't work now because I barely take them and take meth instead. They're an absolute lifesaver when I'm sober and taking them properly.

Otherwise, thank you I appreciate the input. I mostly agree.
 
For a long time meth user, 6 months of abstinence the mind isn’t healed, just keep that in mind. Not coke or weed we’re talking about
 
And if they worked, why the relapse?
Because meds don't cure, they treat. Because I and my addiction are not defined by my psych issues and what meds I take. That's ridiculous.

Something like autism can't even be treated to any significant degree. The others There's no guarantee with meds, or else no one would have a problem with any med they take for anything, ever.

Many, many addicts have concurrent disorders.
 
Damn man. Meth sounds scary as shit. I relate as long term opiate addict your mind is not right in 6 months even. But he is still in his 20's so has hope. Brain will recover fast.

It's certainty a gift your job is backing you too. Don't let them down.
 
Because meds don't cure, they treat. Because I and my addiction are not defined by my psych issues and what meds I take. That's ridiculous.

Something like autism can't even be treated to any significant degree. The others There's no guarantee with meds, or else no one would have a problem with any med they take for anything, ever.

Many, many addicts have concurrent disorders.
But it comes down to which came first the chicken or the egg.
And the success rate of recovery dropped dramatically, and continues to, with the whole dual diagnosis culture. Look up the data for yourself. It’s all about money, the more that’s wrong, the longer they can bill your insurance. Created so that “ problem addicts” can continue to qualify for 5 more useless trips to rehab. If the new thinking keeps you sick and profitable til they throw dirt on you, mission accomplished. Addiction treatment is a bigger business than cancer research, when my mother was dying from it at 59 yrs old, i was told by a specialist that 1. There probably is a cure long found and 2. That it will never be revealed as too many people would be out of work.
You’re a machinist. Use a lot of precision tools to do your job. When deciding which to purchase, do you go with proven brands ( starrett, Kennedy) or go with the latest, with no track record for durability or reliability?
Research what’s worked, usually it’s the least pleasant to do, the least flashy. The least complicated. The most hands on.
Clocks ticking cousin, and we all know that our dope makes it fly.
 
But it comes down to which came first the chicken or the egg.
And the success rate of recovery dropped dramatically, and continues to, with the whole dual diagnosis culture. Look up the data for yourself. It’s all about money, the more that’s wrong, the longer they can bill your insurance. Created so that “ problem addicts” can continue to qualify for 5 more useless trips to rehab. If the new thinking keeps you sick and profitable til they throw dirt on you, mission accomplished. Addiction treatment is a bigger business than cancer research, when my mother was dying from it at 59 yrs old, i was told by a specialist that 1. There probably is a cure long found and 2. That it will never be revealed as too many people would be out of work.
You’re a machinist. Use a lot of precision tools to do your job. When deciding which to purchase, do you go with proven brands ( starrett, Kennedy) or go with the latest, with no track record for durability or reliability?
Research what’s worked, usually it’s the least pleasant to do, the least flashy. The least complicated. The most hands on.
Clocks ticking cousin, and we all know that our dope makes it fly.
I appreciate the sentiment. You do clearly have my best interest in mind. That being said, although I have concurrent disorder I need to impress that I deal with mental health as a separate issue from the addictions. Or I don't excuse myself on addiction because If it anyway. It's one of my main drives to be able to deal with my head in part by eliminating the meth, one leads to the next.

Thank you though. Yes, I will go with what I know is researched and what I personally know has been effective for someone like me.

I've been sober before as long as 10 months and 6 a couple times as my bests. I know where I went wrong and where I was doing right and don't discount those periods as failures because I relapsed. I know what I live with and what I can't too.

You put way, way too much weight on my statements about having mental health issues and have presumptions about what I think as if I think I'm special or that I think it's all about psych and meds. I don't think that way. I also don't ignore substantial parts of my total issue with addiction AND mental health being 2 separate components, concurrently.

No it's not a scam to keep people in rehab, and even if it is I'm under no such illusion buying into some propaganda to get my business. What business?

I'm not headed to rehab. I am getting lots of outpatient support though. I'm in a peer support group with meetings, and now after months of persistence applying, a staff member of a forum with a harm reduction ethos which I truly believe in. I'm reducing the harm by quitting meth.

Although I've definitely put thought into going back to rehab, as it is now not a single agency is getting a dime from me or my time insofar as a rehab. What I am invested in is researched, and relevant to my personal situation and others like me. I know what to do, I just haven't done it fully or permanently yet.

I can't convince you mental health is real. I can tell you that by disregarding the entire field, and saying what you say about this money (that I'm not even spending)... you push conspiracy, ignore research, and you also weigh the mental health issue in my situation on trying to quit far heavier than I do though.
 
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I appreciate the sentiment. You do clearly have my best interest in mind. That being said, although I have concurrent disorder I need to impress that I deal with mental health as a separate issue from the addictions. Or I don't excuse myself on addiction because If it anyway. It's one of my main drives to be able to deal with my head in part by eliminating the meth, one leads to the next.

Thank you though. Yes, I will go with what I know is researched and what I personally know has been effective for someone like me.

I've been sober before as long as 10 months and 6 a couple times as my bests. I know where I went wrong and where I was doing right and don't discount those periods as failures because I relapsed. I know what I live with and what I can't too.

You put way, way too much weight on my statements about having mental health issues and have presumptions about what I think as if I think I'm special or that I think it's all about psych and meds. I don't think that way. I also don't ignore substantial parts of my total issue with addiction AND mental health being 2 separate components, concurrently.

No it's not a scam to keep people in rehab, and even if it is I'm under no such illusion buying into some propaganda to get my business. What business?

I'm not headed to rehab. I am getting lots of outpatient support though. I'm in a peer support group with meetings, and now after months of persistence applying, a staff member of a forum with a harm reduction ethos which I truly believe in. I'm reducing the harm by quitting meth.

Although I've definitely put thought into going back to rehab, as it is now not a single agency is getting a dime from me or my time insofar as a rehab. What I am invested in is researched, and relevant to my personal situation and others like me. I know what to do, I just haven't done it fully or permanently yet.

I can't convince you mental health is real. I can tell you that by disregarding the entire field, and saying what you say about this money (that I'm not even spending)... you push conspiracy, ignore research, and you also weigh the mental health issue in my situation on trying to quit far heavier than I do though.

Progress, not perfection. Sounds like you're on the right track and have a plan. Keep it up brother.
 
I recently picked the habit up again also after maybe 4-5 years. I've known of a few people through years of lurking here and this community is really special.

I'm laying in the dark and actually need to try and get some sleep.
 
I recently picked the habit up again also after maybe 4-5 years. I've known of a few people through years of lurking here and this community is really special.

I'm laying in the dark and actually need to try and get some sleep.
Sorry to hear of your relapse. Get yourself some rest and dust yourself off, you'll get through it and all of us are here for support should you need to speak to anyone about anything.
 
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