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Hypertension & blood pressure; drugs to treat. (Split from benzo thread)

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Is there any dangers or complications in combining methamphetamine and benzo's specifically alprazolam with a low dose through out the high?
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I'm not keen to suggest using uppers and downers together whatever the combo, unless of course this is to reduce the negative impacts of having had too much of a stimulant, but that's not to suggest this should be a matter of course. In saying that, I can't recall any specific concerns re that combo, but I'll dig around and see if I can find anything.

If meth gives you anxiety but you fell you have to indulge, I'd suggest you look for another stimulant, or think about reducing your intake. As I've gotten older I've found nearly all stimulants produce anxiety at lower and lower dosages - even caffeine. Part of this is no doubt related to blood pressure, which may not be the case for you. It's probably worth checking though
 
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Thank you very much all.

Ever since the first time I have tried meth it has given me anxiety, I can still enjoy it, I just have found that low dose benzo's or consistantly drinking takes away that anxiety and will lead to me having a much better time without many reduced effects.

Yeah caffiene gives me horrible anxiety, and cigarettes. If I have weed/cigarettes and caffeine in one day I am a wreck.

I think last time I was tested I had slightly abnormal blood pressure due to trying to put on weight and eating full fat everything. Maybe this is adding to it?
 
Well, weight can definitely affect BP. I found when BP and HR go up (with or without stimulants), the condition will make me anxious, rather the other way around.
 
^ive definitely been noticing that trend while my blood pressure and heart rate have been high over the last 6-8 months. my meth intake has been at basically nil, ive used maybe 3-4 times in that period off the top of my head (i could check a thread in TDS to make sure) so it hasnt been relative. im not over weight so that isnt an issue either. its probably a combination of me having been on opiates for 6 years now as well as my GAD; so hypertension and GAD.

my doctor is looking to start me on coversyl long term to see if that helps out since ive had success short term with it before. my high BP seems to come and go and i havent been able to find what the trigger of it is yet. or im not yet willing to admit its the binging on morphine and other opiates:\
 
Jakeperson, I'm very much the same with amphetamines.

With MDMA I'm completely anxiety free (as one would expect) but meth/amp. sulfate give me fucking horrible paranoia and anxiety on the comedown; to the point where I avoid them as much as possible.

Drinking on the comedown does help, but I'm not a big drinker and I have usually run out of alcohol/don't want to drink any more by the time I'm coming down.

A small bump of K on a meth comedown works very well, I can tell you that much :)
 
I think I had it when I had an endoscopy a few years ago. If so I remember nothing
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That would be right. I was given fentanyl after hypnovel (despite my asking if I could experience the fentanyl on it's own - purely for pharmacological evaluation of course ;)

What I found quite confusing after waking was how the nurse knew to bring me a black coffee with half a sugar. I was pretty sure I hadn't been asked this before going under.
When I asked her how she knew that's how I have my coffee, she replied that I'd just told her, and that I'd been conscious for 3-4 minutes. I was quite wobbly on my feet for a good 20 mins later, and certainly couldn't have driven, yet no-one asked how I was getting home.

Personally, I can't see what the rec value of hypnovel would be, but each to his own I suppose. To me, stupefying drugs like this are no better than poisons (without the physical pain) but that's probably because benzos as a whole hold no rec value to me. As can be imagined, Midazolam could be used as a DRD as Rohypnol has been, so I'm sure there would be panic if importing it became popular.
 
phase_dancer said:
What I found quite confusing after waking was how the nurse knew to bring me a black coffee with half a sugar. I was pretty sure I hadn't been asked this before going under.
When I asked her how she knew that's how I have my coffee, she replied that I'd just told her, and that I'd been conscious for 3-4 minutes. I was quite wobbly on my feet for a good 20 mins later, and certainly couldn't have driven, yet no-one asked how I was getting home.
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a bit OT, but thats crazy they didnt ask you if you had a lift lined up or anything. did they simply discharge you right after your procedure?

a few months back when i took my friend in for a small surgical procedure they put him down with a fent/midaz cocktail and wanted to keep him back for a couple hours after to keep observation of him and made sure that he was leaving with someone and wasnt driving himself. his mother came, who is a nurse, and they reluctantly let her take him without keeping him for observation. the first thing they made my friend do after signing him in and everything was make him hand his keys over to me.
 
Maybe this should be split into another thread. I took my partner to have his wisdom teeth out, not too sure what he was given but he was awake for about 30min and told me later he didn't remember any of what he was told/the convo I had with him. Now here's the kicker, they made him pay for the surgery (not the anesthestist), of ~$300 during this time, but before I was there. They didn't rip him off but he was obviously out of it and they orgaised payment during this time. :S
 
thanks hoptis:)

has anyone had any experience with using coversyl to control high blood pressure long term or short? particularly im looking for people who have been on opiate treatment at the same time as well.

the only medications im on are MsContin (extended release morphine) and tramadol. i sporadically use benzos on top as well but no more than a couple of days at a time. i have been smoking marijuana pretty heavy over the last 6 weeks as well. only other recreational drug i use is meth and that is months apart. i have also used cocaine about 4 times in the last month as well.

ive been experienceing high blood pressure on and off for about the last 18 months, particularly around the end of last year when i was using IV meth pretty regularly. during that time i thought the meth was triggering it. my meth use has been extremely low over the last 12 months so ive pretty much eliminated that as the cause because it still comes and goes for a few weeks at a time mainly.

i have been on opiates for the last 6 years through prescription. i eat healthy and do some light exercises a few times a week but wouldnt consider myself fit, but by no means am i unfit. im only 24
 
Thanks hoptis

leftwing, I've been on a diuretic (Indapamide hemihydrate aka Natrilix) for the past few months and it's helped my hypertension immensely. I can't begin to describe the difference. My BP was quite often above 170/90 and an average over 4 weeks was 144/ 85. Even after hard work or exercise, systolic was usually still in the low 140's. Now I'm averaging 133/80 and falling, and as said, it's a well felt improvement. I did break my normal rule on xmas day and indulged once. I felt fine; BP and HR were up slightly, but not alarmingly and I thought I was "cured". Lots of food and booze also went down that day, and once the alcohol wore off the dreaded racing heart started. I managed sleep without assistance, but it wasn't easy. No wish to repeat.

I can't comment on Coversyl with any expertise, but I'm always a bit wary of ACE inhibitors. At the very least you should have a thorough CV evaluation IMO. I would recommend a diuretic if you weren't taking opiates as aside from general weakness, you could suffer orthostatic hypotension, which can be very unpleasant and dangerous if it causes fainting. However there is a combination treatment "Coversyl Plus" which combines Perindopril and Indapamide. The synergising effect means a lower dose of each is incorporated than when each is taken alone (monotherapy).

Diuretics do have their downsides though. Potential for hypokalemia and similar conditions is always there. Coversyl plus may reduce the risk somewhat due to the effect of perindopril on abundance of angiotensin II which results in higher plasma K levels. Perhaps it's worth asking your Dr.
 
my BP has been maxing out at around what yours were, the lowest i've been at the doctors when he's checked me was around the 140/85, basically around the borderline. i've yet to go about getting a BP monitor from the pharmacy and make a log of it. mainly the typical male thing of "if i dont address it, it's not really there" and because it comes and goes. today the initial lethargic effects have struck up and i'm also in the start of minor opiate wd symptoms while i stabilise after a morphine bender (again8)). and sometimes it's easy to confuse the wd symptoms with the high BP symptoms ie weakness, racing heart, lethargy.

fainting hasn't been too much of an issue, though there have been a few instances i have. at the time i'd been extremely dehydrated and hadn't been eating well and usually while i was using heavy.

thank you for your suggestions, the coversyl plus is something i've been meaning to bring up(who can't not think about them with those ads they play on tv), though my doctor has been on holidays this last month and doesn't get back until late january. hence my binging; not having my urine tests or pill counts. the CV evaluation is something i'll bring up when he gets back as well.

i guess i should mention im also taking 75-100mg of baclofen a day, a muscle relaxant
 
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Sameria said:
Jakeperson, I'm very much the same with amphetamines.

With MDMA I'm completely anxiety free (as one would expect) but meth/amp. sulfate give me fucking horrible paranoia and anxiety on the comedown; to the point where I avoid them as much as possible.

Drinking on the comedown does help, but I'm not a big drinker and I have usually run out of alcohol/don't want to drink any more by the time I'm coming down.

A small bump of K on a meth comedown works very well, I can tell you that much :)
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Weird, i get no anxiety off stims. I get extreme anxiety off acid and shrooms and most psychedelics. I drink after coming off stims sometimes to help with the comedown but i find that i can drink almost any amount and id still not get drunk.
 
hypertension, yesterday it was 135/100.

i'm at a point where its triggering panic attacks again, so it's getting pretty serious and i've started seeing a naturopath who's given me Proxan* figured to try and go a more natural way reducing my BP rather than straight jumping into another bottle of pills to rely on. but i digress.

*Proxan is a 5htp capsule which includes this
100mg 5-Hydroxy-tryptophan
100mg S-adenosyl methionine
100mg dl-Phenylalanine
50mg potassium phosphate (monobasic)

i'm also looking into Honokiol/Mulungu Extract and should be able to report on Phenibut soon for relief of anxiety as a by-product of the high BP.

i've yet to start the 5htp (got it yesterday) because i'm using tramadol for the next 2 weeks before i get my morphine refilled. i'm also going to decrease my morphine over the next couple of months while i keep my BP monitored.

once my docotor gets back at the end of the month the intention is to do a months log of BP and get the CV checkup.
 
today when i saw him he gave me a beta blocker, generic name Atenolol though i can't start it until next week after i see my orthopedic specialist next wednesday. he doesn't want me on a diuretic. ill give the beta blocker a go in the mean time until i can start the 5htp when i'm back on morphine.

in the mean time, because of my anxiety and panic attacks he's written me another script of valium to help calm me down when i'm experiencing the worse part of the palpatations. i was reluctant of the valium but at this stage it's something i'm willing to take short term at least, even though he has suggested it may be better me bein on it long terms again. 15mg through the day has settled me down immensley today even though i can still light palpatation, my anxiety is rid. i don't want to be dependent on benzos again.

my reading was 141/98 today with HR of 86
 
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the reason i'm taking tramadol is because i ran out of my morphine script early this month - it's my usual opiate treatment (i'm dependent on opiates as well as an addict). i have spare tramadol scripts from the past which i use in times like this and procure panadeine forte from my dr as needed for breakthrough.

once i see my ortho he will either keep me on morphine or maybe swap to oxy according to my dr. i prefer morphine for a few reasons, though i have no problems with oxy.

i'll using the 5htp for depression and anxiety problems and help relax me at night. phenibut is something else i should be getting to use for the same reasons at the 5htp.

thanks for your input:)
 
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^just so we don't drag this off topic, feel free to send me a PM with any questions and i'll get back to you. you can PM moderators even though you're not yet a bluelighter, so shoot me a PM:)
 
dunno if ive read the thread title wrong but if you have high blood pressure ask your doctorb for clonidine
 
^ i get enough constipation from my morphine, even with a high fibrt and fruit diet, to even consider clonodine

maybe if i were in wd's, yeah;)
 
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