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Opioids Hydromorphone (Dilaudid)

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Legitjohn

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I need a bit of help, I'm am a super experienced drug user, from opioid pills and cocaine as a teen hustler to fentanyl and crack/cocaine shots as a homeless. I've been through it all. Recently I got sober, I'm two years in with only one or twice use of fentanyl. My goal is to be able to get high (very occasionally) without using fentanyl so I'm working on lowering my tolerance. I currently have kadian(XR morphine) and Dilaudid(hydromorphone) prescribed. Tell me how I can take 50 Dilaudid 8mg pills in one handful and not feel anything????? Nothing at all. And it's not a joke I think my last try was 40 pills. I got so fed up I felt I was wasting my pills like I can get at least 100 usddollars for 40 Dilaudids around here. And when shooting them I can only fit 16 8s into a syringe, the fat ,3ml syringe. And I still feel NOTHING. The liquid becomes SUPER THICK and I was wondering if anybody can teach me how to make a more concentrated Dilaudid liquid iv. Or should I just give up?? It seems like fentanyl ruined my tolerance for opioids 100%. I'm so discouraged and I really wish I could just feel the warm rush like the old days. Does any body else have the same problems I'm having and is there anyway to get around it?? I'm hoping somebody knows how to make a super concentrated liquid iv with Dilaudids and I'll keep trying to lower my tolerance in the mean time. Please help me if you can :(
 
Legitjohn said:
I need a bit of help, I'm am a super experienced drug user, from opioid pills and cocaine as a teen hustler to fentanyl and crack/cocaine shots as a homeless. I've been through it all. Recently I got sober, I'm two years in with only one or twice use of fentanyl. My goal is to be able to get high (very occasionally) without using fentanyl so I'm working on lowering my tolerance. I currently have kadian(XR morphine) and Dilaudid(hydromorphone) prescribed. Tell me how I can take 50 Dilaudid 8mg pills in one handful and not feel anything????? Nothing at all. And it's not a joke I think my last try was 40 pills. I got so fed up I felt I was wasting my pills like I can get at least 100 usddollars for 40 Dilaudids around here. And when shooting them I can only fit 16 8s into a syringe, the fat ,3ml syringe. And I still feel NOTHING. The liquid becomes SUPER THICK and I was wondering if anybody can teach me how to make a more concentrated Dilaudid liquid iv. Or should I just give up?? It seems like fentanyl ruined my tolerance for opioids 100%. I'm so discouraged and I really wish I could just feel the warm rush like the old days. Does any body else have the same problems I'm having and is there anyway to get around it?? I'm hoping somebody knows how to make a super concentrated liquid iv with Dilaudids and I'll keep trying to lower my tolerance in the mean time. Please help me if you can :(
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Do you happen to be on methadone as well?
 
Legitjohn said:
I need a bit of help, I'm am a super experienced drug user, from opioid pills and cocaine as a teen hustler to fentanyl and crack/cocaine shots as a homeless. I've been through it all. Recently I got sober, I'm two years in with only one or twice use of fentanyl. My goal is to be able to get high (very occasionally) without using fentanyl so I'm working on lowering my tolerance. I currently have kadian(XR morphine) and Dilaudid(hydromorphone) prescribed. Tell me how I can take 50 Dilaudid 8mg pills in one handful and not feel anything????? Nothing at all. And it's not a joke I think my last try was 40 pills. I got so fed up I felt I was wasting my pills like I can get at least 100 usddollars for 40 Dilaudids around here. And when shooting them I can only fit 16 8s into a syringe, the fat ,3ml syringe. And I still feel NOTHING. The liquid becomes SUPER THICK and I was wondering if anybody can teach me how to make a more concentrated Dilaudid liquid iv. Or should I just give up?? It seems like fentanyl ruined my tolerance for opioids 100%. I'm so discouraged and I really wish I could just feel the warm rush like the old days. Does any body else have the same problems I'm having and is there anyway to get around it?? I'm hoping somebody knows how to make a super concentrated liquid iv with Dilaudids and I'll keep trying to lower my tolerance in the mean time. Please help me if you can :(
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If you can knock that tolerance back down, it would definitely be your best bet. I remember being on that program with the d’s and the kadian as well as methadone and it was the same for me. I had to use strong street fetty to cut through the opioids in my system, and it was a miserable existence
 
Hey @Legitjohn :) First off, major kudos for getting off of the Fentanyl. That is huge. Make sure you give yourself credit for that.

Opioids were my drug of choice, so we probably have had a lot of similar experiences. I lived in Cambodia for a while when I was teaching and I had essentially unlimited Heroin for the first time in my life. I could use as much as I wanted and still eat and pay the rent. I got to a point where I was using 3-4g of relatively pure Heroin every day, intravenously. All I felt was numb. I didn't feel good, bad or anything. There was no color, emotion or anything.

I was using higher and higher quantities trying to break through this wall. It only made me feel more numb. I eventually felt trapped. I came to the realization that the only two options were to reduce my tolerance or to keep feeling nothing. I ended up reducing the dosage on my own volition. The only way I would be able to enjoy Opioids again would be to unsaturate my body and mind.

I eventually got to a point where I was using ~1.5g Heroin per day. This is still on the far end in terms of the maximum amount I could use and still receive benefit. I'm pretty sure that if I were to make all of the right decisions, my optimum dosage would be ~500mg - 750mg pure Heroin per day, perhaps even less. You have to find a sweet spot.

Your mind is going to tell you from experience that the solution to any problem in life is to use more Opioids. You need to get that out of your head.

If you're looking for a return to that warm rush, positive effects and good feelings, you will need to reduce your tolerance. This doesn't have to be painful or miserable. The large quantities you're trying to use right now aren't making you feel better anyway, they're just going to waste.

I'm not sure what best works for you. You can either reduce each dosage without changing your frequency. You can also do stuff like "On Wednesday, I'm only going to do 2 shots instead of 3. Whatever works best for you, find ways to reduce your tolerance. Once you are at this wall, there isn't a viable way of getting the effects you want from Opioids. You can potentially use enough Fentanyl to sedate you/knock you out, but I think you'll agree that this experience is far from the desired experience from an Opioid, like the experiences you remember.

With your Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) literally by the handful, you know you have access to something that many of us around the developed world can only dream of. For a lot of folks, Hydromorphone is their favorite Opioid (it's my number 2). I'm not saying you're ungrateful, just reminding you to be grateful. It's easy for us to become complacent and forget what we've got.

If you do the leg work, reduce your tolerance at a comfortable but consistent rate, you could have access to the holy grail of Opioids, in huge quantities for the foreseeable future. To start using Fentanyl when Hydromorphone is available is like punching God in his testicles or her titties respectively. It really is that bad dude.
 
Keif' Richards said:
Hey @Legitjohn :) First off, major kudos for getting off of the Fentanyl. That is huge. Make sure you give yourself credit for that.

Opioids were my drug of choice, so we probably have had a lot of similar experiences. I lived in Cambodia for a while when I was teaching and I had essentially unlimited Heroin for the first time in my life. I could use as much as I wanted and still eat and pay the rent. I got to a point where I was using 3-4g of relatively pure Heroin every day, intravenously. All I felt was numb. I didn't feel good, bad or anything. There was no color, emotion or anything.

I was using higher and higher quantities trying to break through this wall. It only made me feel more numb. I eventually felt trapped. I came to the realization that the only two options were to reduce my tolerance or to keep feeling nothing. I ended up reducing the dosage on my own volition. The only way I would be able to enjoy Opioids again would be to unsaturate my body and mind.

I eventually got to a point where I was using ~1.5g Heroin per day. This is still on the far end in terms of the maximum amount I could use and still receive benefit. I'm pretty sure that if I were to make all of the right decisions, my optimum dosage would be ~500mg - 750mg pure Heroin per day, perhaps even less. You have to find a sweet spot.

Your mind is going to tell you from experience that the solution to any problem in life is to use more Opioids. You need to get that out of your head.

If you're looking for a return to that warm rush, positive effects and good feelings, you will need to reduce your tolerance. This doesn't have to be painful or miserable. The large quantities you're trying to use right now aren't making you feel better anyway, they're just going to waste.

I'm not sure what best works for you. You can either reduce each dosage without changing your frequency. You can also do stuff like "On Wednesday, I'm only going to do 2 shots instead of 3. Whatever works best for you, find ways to reduce your tolerance. Once you are at this wall, there isn't a viable way of getting the effects you want from Opioids. You can potentially use enough Fentanyl to sedate you/knock you out, but I think you'll agree that this experience is far from the desired experience from an Opioid, like the experiences you remember.

With your Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) literally by the handful, you know you have access to something that many of us around the developed world can only dream of. For a lot of folks, Hydromorphone is their favorite Opioid (it's my number 2). I'm not saying you're ungrateful, just reminding you to be grateful. It's easy for us to become complacent and forget what we've got.

If you do the leg work, reduce your tolerance at a comfortable but consistent rate, you could have access to the holy grail of Opioids, in huge quantities for the foreseeable future. To start using Fentanyl when Hydromorphone is available is like punching God in his testicles or her titties respectively. It really is that bad dude.
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I agree with you 💯, I miss the days when I was 18 and sniffed two or three 8s and had a buzz going for most of the day with some nods near the 4 hour mark. And I have an update: so I've been reducing my kadian dose(doctor gave me 100% power over my script so I can reduce it whenever I want just by letting the pharmacy know, and if I go too low I can increase as well) I'm about 960mg now instead of 1100 and I tried to take some dilos orally yesterday and I actually felt a little something from 48 of them. Mind you it was the bare minimum, I can say the feeling was equivalent to sniffing a 8mg dilo back in the day without the rush but I got a lil sleepy and layed down and dozed off. So you were right 💯 % and I'm gonna keep moving forward with lowering my tolerance and every month I'll try another handful and see how far it gets me. I really appreciate your post because most people say give up but I don't want to give up because I don't want to have to use fentanyl anymore if I can help it. I'd rather do it the safe and clean way. Especially since it's a once a month type of thing now. No need to be running around looking for fent if I can use what I have. It felt good to read your post because you described exactly what I'm going through and it's nice to know I'm not alone in this, thanks for everyone who replied also.
 
canadianpeduser said:
If you can knock that tolerance back down, it would definitely be your best bet. I remember being on that program with the d’s and the kadian as well as methadone and it was the same for me. I had to use strong street fetty to cut through the opioids in my system, and it was a miserable existence
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I did and it worked kind of, I felt the bare minimum and I'm gonna continue lowering my dose.
 
Legitjohn said:
I did and it worked kind of, I felt the bare minimum and I'm gonna continue lowering my dose.
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The fent really fucked me up, I remember on the street I'd do an entire point or two depending how much money I had and people would beg me for my wash because apparently my wash was strong enough to give them a buzz. That's when I noticed how high my tolerance was, it was a messed up realization but I was homeless at the time so I just used more and more. But I'm on the right path now.
 
I'm really glad you guys found some resonance in all of that.

@Legitjohn you're too right about hopelessness. The drugs are like a hungry predator. When you start to look at life as hopeless they're gonna take you out like a wounded animal.

Progress toward doing something different can be enjoyable in its own right, even if you still have to keep moving. That's what I tell people about Methadone and Opioids in general. If you make an effort to change things, you can enjoy the benefits along the way like @Legitjohn is. This guy has a serious tolerance that would make a lot of us want to just give up. He has invested himself into the process and he is already feeling some positive change.

I think after years of misery and numbness from high-dose Opioid dependence, the idea of feeling better is painful to even consider due to the trauma of having lost all of those things several times already. I think we can all admit it's easier not to get one's hopes up if they know they'll only be disappointed.

My advice is based on having done this, like many of you, many times. Go slow and steady. Don't ever rush anything in this if you don't need to. The notion that change needs to happen overnight, even if it's a theoretically positive life change, is just your addiction talking. The logical person knows that big gambles come with big risks. You can put your life savings into scratch tickets and maybe become a multi-millionaire, but most of us prefer just to have jobs for the security.

We recently put up a detailed guide regarding "Volumetric Dosing". In essence, it's a tool that allows a person to make extremely small changes to their intake. If you have spent 5, 10 or even 50 years using Opioids, you can devote an entire year to reducing your dosage. This goddamned fast-food culture has convinced everyone that even cleansing a person's mind, body and soul should be completed over the course of a long-weekend or before that big vacation. When you think about how severely these substances change us, it's totally ridiculous to think you could detox a person, deprogram their mind and spit them out ready to enter the workforce in 90 days.

Do it slowly. Make small, measured changes that you have no doubt that you are able to handle. If you want to take a handful of Hydromorphone once a month as a reward, I say go for it so long as you stick to the overall program. If anybody needs help you know you can always message me also.
 
I was smoking powder from pharma factory and OH MY GOD. One bong hit and suddenly warm pleasure fullfiled my body. Nothing i did Is comparable to this and except crack i took every casual...medication :D
 
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