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ThePharmacist25

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So I have used the search engine and I can't find the exact amount at which acetaminophen is soluble in water and hydrocodone. I want to use the lease water possible, calculate and draw up the sterile water to dissolve the 7.5/750. I will then do a CWE and then allow the remains to air dry and the remain to be the hydrocodone powder.

So could someone help me please with the solubility of apap and hydrocodone? Thank you.
 
APAP's solubility depends on the temperature of the water. In cold water, it's practically insoluble. This is why COLD Water Extractions use COLD water. I think at about 32F, APAP's solubility is something like 7mg per 1ml. The warmer the water, the more soluble it gets.
 
Okay. So if I wanted to crush up 4 Vicodin ES, which is 30mg Hydrocodone and 3000mg of APAP then 3000mg/7mg should equal the mLs I need to dissolve it all. Then I can CWE it and then let it air dry or put a fan over it to help the evaporation process... My goal is just to get the hydrocodone into powder form. I will try with a half of pill 3.75mg hydrocodone and 375mg of APAP. Thank you.
 
No no no no no. Don't base how many ml's you use off of how much APAP there is. Just go by what every CWE guide says to use (1 - 3ml, IIRC). Seriously, 21mg of APAP is nothing.

For 30mg of hydrocodone, 3ml is more than enough.

My question is: why even bother? Do you take hydrocodone on a daily basis? If so, then yeah, CWE it. But if this is just a once-in-a-while thing, 3000mg of APAP is relatively harmless.
 
Solubility (31C water) Solubility (21C water)
Aspirin 1g / 100 ml 1g / 300ml
Acetaminophen 1g / 70 ml 1g / 150 ml

Not 100% sure about hydrocodone, but if I remember correctly it's something like 50mg/ml.

So it's quite easy to do a hydroC CWE
 
No, you are dissolving the opiate in the water. You DON'T want all the other crap dissolving, that's why how insoluble APAP is in cold water is the key to it being a COLD water extraction instead of a ROOM TEMPERATURE water extraction. The problem is, most of what is in the pill is soluble in water - with the exception of some of the fillers/binders, but those don't matter since you consume the product of a CWE orally. That is why reducing the temp is so important, because APAP has the weird property of being less soluble in colder water.
 
For stuff w/ APAP even if taking it once in a while I still prefer to do a CWE since its easier on my stomach. I puke from 2-3 vicodins and get stomach pain and it's just so much better to just have the opiate w/o the APAP, only cuz of the stomach factor making the experience less enjoyable.
 
InTherapy82 said:
For stuff w/ APAP even if taking it once in a while I still prefer to do a CWE since its easier on my stomach. I puke from 2-3 vicodins and get stomach pain and it's just so much better to just have the opiate w/o the APAP, only cuz of the stomach factor making the experience less enjoyable.
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You should try plugging, it's not gay if it gets you high 8)
 
InTherapy82 said:
For stuff w/ APAP even if taking it once in a while I still prefer to do a CWE since its easier on my stomach. I puke from 2-3 vicodins and get stomach pain and it's just so much better to just have the opiate w/o the APAP, only cuz of the stomach factor making the experience less enjoyable.
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shit man, i take 12 vikes just to feeel it and CWE like 20, i do CWE cuz my stomach hurts too, but 2-3? ...i wish,,,
 
For years I have been doing CWE incorrectly. When my tolerance got above 5 5mg hyrdo's to get high I started doing what I thought was cold water extraction. I was doing it completely wrong. I would dissolve about 10 pills in a full glass of warm water. Once the pills had melted I would put the glass in a bowl of cold water and ice cubes but only for a few minutes. Seems I was only getting high because I was using 10 pills and I wasn't really extracting much APAP.

From what I have read I think this new method will work. Please let me know what everyone thinks. Start by crushing 15 5mg hyrdo's in 3/4 cup room temp. water. Let that sit for about 30-60 minutes. Then move the mixture to the freezer until its quite cold but not frozen. I assume most of the APAP will have settled. I have never gotten the mixture cold enough to see any crystals but I hope this will change with all the time in the freezer. At this point I plan to simply pour the mixture through a coffee filter into a second cup (I have always used coffee filters). Make sure to squeeze the lump of APAP for all the juices and done. I figure now that I have realized how stupid I was not letting the water get really cold and using a ridiculous amount of water for the solution, I will get a lot more APAP out and hopefully more hydro in. Does this sound like a good method? Constructive critisicm much appreciated.

A side question: Has anyone had any success with online ordering of oxy's? So many sites. I don't know if its too good to be true. I heard a lawyer discussing where someone obtained oxy's from and said that it is impossible to get them online because the DEA is watching all this. Also, I have heard that about 50% of online pharmacies are totally bogus. If it can really be done I am willing to spend the money and skip cold water extraction entirely. I prefer oxy's to hydro's anyway. Anyone had any luck with this?
 
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