ummmm well besides codeine what is there thats weaker than hydrocodone? look on any narcotic dosage converter and youll see its the weakest there per mg. the first times i ever took vicodin i would take 3 or 4 and not feel much of anything, and your talking my first times. im not trying to show off with telling him to take 30mg. In fact i seem to take a lot less of the opiates that i use then i see people posting here. for example i inject 45-60mg of oxycodone, and 8-16mg of hydromorphone, alot of people here think thats like nothing. i see people here talking about slamming 24 or 32mg of hydromorphone and talking about snorting 160mg of oxy or shooting an 80 and 20 ( before the gel thing came out ) in one shot. so im not jjust saying that out " big dick" complex. everyone knows that hydrocodone pills are the weakest opiate out there. equal mg per mg oral doses of hydrocodone would not even get me well from my oxy habit, not even a little better. like if i took 30mg of hydrocodone 3 times a day id still feel kinda shitty when coming of 180mg per day IV oxy habit, almost no real relief, just not totally sick. hydrocodone is the weakest it gets when it comes to opiate pharms