Huge Psychedelic Mix

[Aeon Psyche]

What would happen if you take like very very small doses of various psychedelics? Like 10 or 20 different ones? It's not something I will pursue immeadiatly, if I will at all but it makes me very curious when I think about it..

Hehe..

 

[ColtDan]

you'll probably lose yourself in an oblivion of insanity for many hours

 

[vibrancy3]

Anxiety, paranoia, stress, negative intentions and maybe even HTTP ?

Just some of the reasons why your idea is quite silly, keep on using psychedlics to enjoy and embrace life op, not overdo it. Plus one would probably cancel the other out and you would be wasting your cash...

 

[allium]

You should bear in mind that the effects of most "powerful" psychedelics will prevail. I have no degree in chemistry/pharmacology, but AFAIR psychedelics with higher binding affinity can(and will) displace psychedelics with lower binding affinity.
I read Survived Abortion's report that 2C-T-2 + 2C-E combo felt like doing 2C-E alone, it is a good illustration.

So, you should have a good amount of data for proper designing of 4+ psychedelics combo.
By increasing number of chemicals, you increase the risk of adverse reactions, plus there is a (small) chance of discovering another dangerous combo.

Sometimes I wonder about similar thing too, as I have a good collection of chemicals. And sometimes I wonder, what if I do half of my collection? And which half is the best combination? Doing such combo is on my to do list, but it has low priority.

So if someone has links to the trip reports or even first-hand experience, please share it! It would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT:

you'll probably lose yourself in an oblivion of insanity for many hours

Anxiety, paranoia, stress, negative intentions and maybe even HTTP ?

Why? OP suggested taking low doses of each chemical. Let's say our "insane" combo consists of 10 chemical, and dose of each chemical is 10% of normal dose. So, we can conclude that one wouldn't trip very hard from this combo.
Of course, this logic may be ill-formed, but no one of you told why

 

[rickolasnice]

If you took a tenth of a dose of 10 different 2c's that could be interesting..

Or maybe even a tenth of a dose of 10 different psychedelics..

@ The binding affinity theory i think that low doses wouldn't matter too much as they're not gonna be taking up all the receptors / transporters / whatever..

 

[allium]

@ The binding affinity theory i think that low doses wouldn't matter too much as they're not gonna be taking up all the receptors / transporters / whatever..

Hm, you are right, I didn't think about that.
So this adds more freedom for combo design.

 

[chaos_destroy]

I think this kind of thing is a great idea. because you would be changing ratios of receptor activation so you it would be kind of like a new drug. I know mushrooms and a 2c-b was of the most visually intense experiences I have ever had. Unlikely either one alone. Even changing rations of the drug combos (1:1 of each vs 2:1) should change the experience.

 

[Aeon Psyche]

Yes, but I'm more concerned of such many different things happening in the brain all at once that it may be dangerous...Especially with my epilepsy..

I might try this with three or four different compounds to start and see where it goes from there..

 

[TheAzo]

I know mushrooms and a 2c-b was of the most visually intense experiences I have ever had. Unlikely either one alone.

Funny you should mention that. 2C-B + 4-HO-MET (12mg 2C-B followed by 10-12mg 4-HO-MET insufflated once at peak of 2C-B) produced an incredibly visual experience for me as well. Also striking in how clearheaded it was, for the level of visuals. Mild visuals lasted into the next day, as well, and in the morning, about 12 hours after I took the last bit of 4-HO-MET, the visuals were stronger than i've experienced at the peak of some less-visual psychedelics.
During the peak, I got freaked out by a sudden increase in the visual intensity - i rather wish I had embraced it, rather than running from it. Next time, next time.
And 2C-B and 4-HO-MET are the shallowest/friendliest/etc representatives of phens/trypts. I suspect things would get very intense with, say, 2C-E instead of 2C-B.


This would be an interesting avenue to persue, imo - Say you took a 2C medley - 2mg each of 2C-B/C/D/E/I/T-2* (or maybe different quantities, adjusted based on relative potency). I wonder what that would be like - would they all sum together to be comparable to a ~12mg dose in intensity, or would it be less intense than the sum of it's parts?



*I'm leaving out 2C-P because it's less friendly, in terms of producing negative effects, and because of it's longer duration, and 2C-T-7 due to it's reported MAOI effects and it's longer duration. I suspect 2C-T-7 is perfectly safe in combination with other 2C's - but it wouldn't make sense to put 2mg of something with twice the duration into the mix, as it would probably just make it hard to get to sleep after everything else had worn off.

 

[rickolasnice]

If anyone doesn't mind a 2 day visuals fest (didn't notice too much in the psychedelia department) then i suggest bromo-dragonfly.. trails went back in time

 

[Solipsis]

HTTP... you mean HPPD?

About combining psychedelics I have varying opinions, for instance I see little use in combining classic psychedelics like LSD or mushrooms since they serve in almost exact the same place or way. Combining two 2C-X compounds on the other hand appeals to me because some of them really have much more particular characters and two could synergize into a distinct different animal.

The more drugs you combine the more unpredictable it gets, which is a problem if you want to go from zero to 20. The low doses make it less of a wild shot, but it is still a very complex question what kind of doses would combine to what level, a level that should not be underwhelming or overwhelming. Change the dose of one of the 20 drugs and you might very well have a different ballgame.

Some natural products of course have mixes of alkaloids: weed, mushrooms, cacti and some DMT-containing plants can contain complex mixtures although most often the most are secondary alkaloids (or terpene-like active compounds) that only modulate the primary alkaloid(s), which may be only one or two or so.

Having said all this it is an interestic hypothetical question at least what happens if you mix 10 different 2C-X compounds all in parts proportionate to their potencies. It should be obvious that titration should start very low with this because it could have a very unexpected effect in terms of for instance dose-response curving.
I mostly feel like predicting that it would seem like a very generic 2C-X feeling as is sometimes reported, by that I mean the part most 2C's have in common. That part of the action could be synergistically additive while the other more unique sides of the compounds drop off because the partial dose is too low.
But who knows, I might be completely wrong and it could feel very special and much more natural. Part of the distiction between natural and synthetic drugs and the effect they give seems to be that synthetics tend to feel quite pure, which can seem a little alien, unnatural and unearthly, although to many others it is a pretty positive aspect. Maybe the feeling of a mixture of synthetics would take away that synthetic feeling and make it feel more rounded and balanced.

 

[berry1]

Wow after today mate my advice to u is dont even try it, i mixed mean green and agaric mushrooms. Mean greens a stoner and mixed with agaric mushrooms i had repeated panic attacks very strong ones for about 1-1.5 hours i also couldn't get the feeling of im dieing out of my mind, my breathing was very heavy and hard and my hart was pounding so unless ur highly experienced with the products and u no every little chemical in the products dont even try it.

Just my opinion any way...

 

[psychomimetic]

When I do psychedelics I prefer to take moderate or low doses of several psyches.

I've done acid + mushrooms, acid+ mushrooms + mdma, mushrooms + dxm, acid + dxm, pcp + DOB, 2C-e and mushrooms, and I've mixed dmt with every psychedelic listed except dxm and with the additions of mescaline and salvia.

I've only done a "huge psychedelic mix" once. I took moderate doses (wasn't measuring them out and was redosing a lot so I don't know how much) of LSD, AMT, mescaline, dmt, amanitas, amphetamine (adderall) and weed.

I'm not sure what your question is. On the large mix of various psychedelics I found the effects to be very complex, the high changed a lot but was consistently beautiful and +4 on the shulgin scale. The various drugs are all potentiating each other and so you end up tripping very hard but in a way I find more pleasurable and easier to handle then high doses of a singe psychedelic.

Don't mix psychedelics until you have experience with them individually.

 

[slimvictor]

Don't mix psychedelics until you have experience with them individually.

Simple, but very, very important advice.

 

[blazR]

HTTP... you mean HPPD?

I'm sure he meant HTTP :D If you are going to do an insane combo like that, youre consiousness would fall forever into the World Wide Web as a hypertext transfer protocol. 8)

//blazR