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How young is too young?

i think its easier for girls. As a youngish rave girlie myself <age 17, but been in on it all for 4 years> i look round and see lots of little girls but not so many little boys....

i think, as it was with myself, the girlies become friends with the older boysies, and the older boysises <why on earth theyd really want to hang around with a 13 year bewilders me now :\ > will be kind enough to fork out for the one ot two pills that that kid takes that night ;) ... at age 13 u ahve no tolerance to drugs. when i was 13 ANYTHING would get me well and truly gooked :\. and even after pilling for 4 years, it still doesnt take a lot for me to be compleatley scoobied =D (much friendlier on the wallet) ... i wouldnt even now do more than 3 pills in a night... tolerance is something that accumulates.

But these girls and boys willlearn their lesson, and in time accept the fact that they started too young. But when they learn their lesson they will knw that they cant change what they did, adn perhaps they will regret it, perhaps they wont. but in my experience under 15/16 is much to young...
 
Yeah I agree with dante come to think of it.

Don't blame parents though, in some cases yes, but stereotypes such as that are unfair to apply to all parents who have kids who rave when 12 or 13 or whatever is too young.

SL55AMG, you know exactly what I mean!
 
what a response? Thankyou for your input, I agree with a lot of the statements, anything under 18 is stupid as kids are negelecting the fact that they are still at the developing stage of their life, and throwing chemicals into the equation is not what growing up is about. Also the fact that they are missing out on their childhood. I believe when you are young it is important to be a kid, keep making those natural progressions, eg Primary School to High School, hanging out with the opposite sex etc, that is how you grow up , learn and structure yourself as a person. Hitting the E's at age 13 , by the time you are 18 what are you? What are you going to be doing next. You've bypassed getting drunk with your mates, having sleep overs etc and you will turn around and say 'FUCK' Ive missed out and all your friends will be ahead of you in the developing stage of life. So how do we deter younger teens from taking E? Surely its a problem and with regard to harm minimisation we can't just make them not to do it as they will do it anyway? What steps can we do to deter them from engaging in the harsh chemical world that we as the older ones have circustomed to??
 
douks: what a load of CRAP you've just said. Human bodies mature at approximatelly the same rate as a general rule. This is why we have things like puberty etc. Some girls at the age 12 have only just started getting their period etc. Some boys at the age of 12 have only just started blowing a good load :) As a general rule morals, values and attitudes in *MOST* 14 year olds have not yet developed fully and haven't completely set. Their character and personality is only in the development stages. That's a fact, and no one can argue with that.

Girls in particular will face many challenges if they are introduced to drugs at a young age. Not just from the drugs but from places and people they encounter. They have no experience, knowledge, or perhaps even understanding of what some things are about. One can only cringe at a thought of a very young girl being fed drugs by an older fuckhead with obvious intentions.

The other thing is experience in life as pointed out by sydkiwi. At 16, *most* kids have no fucking clue what the world is about. There are exceptions, but many 16 year olds are still at school and have never even had a job.

BloSs0m: it's good to see you openly admitting your mistakes. I'm sure your experiences will help you give advice and guide others. Recognition of past mistakes gives one enourmous power over their own life and also influence over those who are facing making those same mistakes.
 
ive made mistakes for sure... but ive learnt a whole lot fro them. And knowing what i kno in a situation where its needed, is so important.

with regards to 16 year olds not having a clue... its pretty much true, id like to think theyre are exceptions to that rule, and id like to say last year i was one of them... but its the 16 year olds who think they are invincable, and they have no clue who get themselves into trouble... but, ive seen 30 year olds who think they are invincible and they get themselves into trouble... its about knowing your limits, and learning from all your adventures and all your mistakes... and that only comes with experience... and being mature with the choices u make. Because it is your choice, and before u go making a descision its important to know whats the deal with a lifestlye like the one all of us here at BL lead. and finally i think im about to make a point here.... people like these 13 year olds and shit that are out living this lifestyle, half of them dont know what theyre getting themselves into... so, we as the all knowledgeable ones have to make ourselves available to be of any assistance to these kiddies we see around.

like, another little anaecdote (sp?) here, the other night there were these two chickie, no more than 14 id say at this club i was at. Id seen them dancing and going nuts a couple of times during the night but then tey kinda dissappeared from the dance floor. But, as i left the club and faced the freezing 7am weather of melbourne and was running from the door to the taxi, which was a fair 3ms from the enterance, i noticed 2 smalls littel balls of girls curled up on the ground leaning against the wall of the club (and anyone who has even the vaguest idea of what is a good look and what is not, or even the tiniest bit of common sense would know or be able to work out that looking complealety scoobied and smacked out of ur brains in front of a club is pretty poor form) i detoured frommy direct route to the taxi and made the effort to ask f they were ok. And the minute one answered with the "yeh, um yeh *sob* we're*sob* ok" line that i used to use wheni was that age, beacsue i thought ppl didnt want to know and didnt want to help, and i didnt want to be a nusiance, i knew something was wrong... i pesisted, with "are u sure shes ok. do u guys want a hand or anything?" and it turned out the one who was balled up in the foetal position crying was not having the greatest of drug induced experiences, and they had been ditched by the "cool older guys" theyd come with, and the girl had no clue how to help her friend out... im jsut glad i took the time to care and that i knew what to do... because these kids dont have a clue half the time....

...but the moral of the story, is, if u know whats happenning and u see some kids hurting, then help them through... i dont know if i just have a soft spot for the poor darlings because ive been there... but, i just want everyone to be able to have a great time SAFELY. And, as runner said we should use our experiences and knowledge to make sure these kids if they chose to party, party safely. :)
 
to me, under eighteen is too young. at this stage your brain is still -obviously- developing, and to mess with that kinda shit is crazy. like someone else said, i respect other people's right to make their own decisions though, so some people will do this. if i knew of someone who was though, i'd at least try to let them know what they're doing to themselves at such an age.

education is the best thing for people...if they still decide to do it, that's fine. at least they know. just for interest's sake, i took my first pill last year...eighteen years and ten months old :)
 
I only started popping pills last year and I will be 25 at end of the year..... glad I started late. But I was toking weed since I was 15/16.
 
i started taking drugs(besides pot) when i was 15!!
i had been smoking pot for about a year, and my mate just said out of the blue, we're having acid tonight, you wanna get some. it was an on the spot decision, and i said yes.
anyway, no one knew it was my first time, so they gave me two(red genesha from 2001) because they had an extra because a guy didn't turn up! i didn't know what to expect(or what two would do to me), so i just had both at the same time! woooohey, i was off my face within the hour, and i was tripping them out, because i was so out of it! they didn't find out it was my first time until the next day, when i said that two was very stong for my first time. they couldn't believe what they had done to me, and felt really bad for giving me two(i didn't feel bad tho!!).

bout 6 weeks later, i left school(year 11, term 3), and just lazed around the house! by the end of the year, i was what you would call an acid junkie!
i was doing it every weekend, usually two at a time. and it was always liquid! the only reason i stopped, was because my dealer left town! i didn't end up getting acid again until bout 3 months ago!
i couldn't get acid, so i moved onto the next thing. pills! after that, i didn't look back, pilln everyweekend(i still don't know where i got the money from)!!

but i spose i am what you would call fairly mature for my age.
i got a job straight away(to support my acid habit), and then went into tafe studies at 16!
i took up scuba diving and haven't looked back! i'm now a rescue diver, with a deep diver specialty, senior first aid, cert 2 in outdoor recreation plus some other qualifications.
which i spose is alot for someone my age. i'm still only 17, and have enrolled in a marine tourism course at tafe next year. i actually got accepted in this years course, but it was too far to travel everyday without a car!
by the end of that course, i will have my divemaster cert., coxswains cert., bartending qualifications, basic tourism knowledge, hospitality knowledge etc.!!

i spose i'm very lucky to have parents like mine, who have stuck with me through through the worst of times, like expulsion from an exclusive brisbane school(nudgee), suspension from an exlusive cairns school, suspension from cairns high school, two times being caught with pot etc.

the only regret i have with my life, is not finishing school! i always think that if i had of continued, i would be finished by now.
but i wouldn't have done all the amzing things i have done with my life(no i'm not talking about drugs)
but i do plan to do it one day, but thru tafe! school is not my thing!

but i feel bad when i look at some of my other friends!
they are my age, and have absolutly nothing. they left school soon after i did, and i feel bad, caus i got them into acid! they have no direction in life, and have no clue what they want to do for a living, except take drugs. i have been clean for 3 months now, altho it was not forced. i moved town!
i had my life planned from the moment i left school! i'm going to be a divemaster, and hopefully rise up to instructor soon after. luckily, it doesn't matter if you have finished school or not with diving, they only care about how well you can dive!

so basically, i dont think i started too early, but i think it all depends on the persons maturity! my friends definatly started too early, because they hadn't figured out what they want to do with their lives before they started!

i think the safe age to start is around 17 or 18, but as i said, it all depends on the person, and their maturity! some people shouldn't even start until they are in their 20s, because they haven't matured properly yet!!

btw, i turn 18 in 1 month, and i can't fuckin wait!!
altho i don't drink alcohol, or smoke ciggies, so it doesn't make too much of a difference. it will just feel good to finally be considred an adult(young adult anyway)!! ;) =D
 
btw, sorry for rambling on in the last post! it's 1:10am here in perth, and i'm bored outta my brain, and can't sleep!

altho it was good to get that off my chest!!

remember, you are only as mature as you want to be!! ;)
 
I waited untill basically the end of year 12 before experimenting with chemical drugs. Not because i didnt want to try them, but because my future was ALOT more important to me. The upshot of this was that i excelled in VCE and got to where i wanted to be (since careers guidance in year 10!). My life is on track now, despite eating more drugs than any other person i know.

Again, this was because i waited until my brain and body was, for the best part, developed. I think by waiting i derived more from the "drug experience" than those who did not, because i was able to deal with it maturely, and implement the things i learned constructively in my everyday life.

If i had done the things i do now/did in the past, when i was younger, i would prolly be in a methadone clinic or something! At the very best i would have a pan-fried brain with at least three personalities...

...and for those who say "your only young once", if you wait until at least 18 you have all the benefits of being a kid, with most of the advantages of being an adult. Win Win situation if you ask me...

:)

PS: Intrinsically linked to this issue are the ever increasing numbers of scripts (for Rit and Dex) being handed out to parents of children deemed to have ADHD.
 
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sonic_reality: you are a good example of someone that has great ambitions, pride and good self esteem. I can't see you ever falling down a wrong path in relation to drugs.

My girlfriend was kicked out of school in Y10. She started doing acid at 15-16 I think. She is 24 now and manages Waves surfwear. We party pretty hard sometimes, but we both can afford to - in every respect.
 
thanks heaps for that man!! i really appreciate it!!

i hear it all the time from my parents, but it's good to hear it from someone who doesn't HAVE to say it to me!! :D

as i said before, you are only as mature as you want to be!!
i've met some 25 year olds, who are more immature than some of my friends!! and the thing is, is that they love being like that!! i see no point in acting immature, as it gets you nowhere fast!!

cheers :D
 
timmy: thats exaclty why i waited.

that and alot of chems back home where too expensive (up to 3 times wot they worth in aussie well sydney anyway) so while studying and earning minimum wage at maccas they were way out of my price range anyway.

Not that nz acid isnt worth the cost. ;)
 
where are these kids getting the money, you can't get a job till you are 14 and 9 months (i think), and even then they wold have to work a couple of shifts to get enough for a pill. What i found is that most of the school kids who were pilling when i was at school were little rich kids from private schools who's parents saw nothing wrong with giving their kids $80-100 to go out and have a good weekend. The parents say that they send their kids to a private school to keep them away from drugs and all the evil people in government schools, but from my experience they were the biggest pill monsters out.
 
i go to a private school, but i starterd taking drugs because i was shouted, i had an arrangemetn with a friend of a friend who would use me as a kind of guinea pig, adn to get the opionion of someone with no tolerance... but when i stopped hanging out with those guys, i was old enoguh to get a job, and did so asap! and since then i have been supporting my drug habit myself... i would never use my parents money to pay for my drugs, in my mind that just ridiculous. I kno that my parents would hat it if they knew i was doing the things i do again, and tha ti was using their money to do it... i would feel like such a little shit of a kid!

but yeh
 
When your young you should be concentrating on education rather than the distractions of illicit drugs. </grandpa>
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i can't stress how important i think this is...
 
^^^ I definatley agree with CowboyMac. Personally I waited until I'd finished my uni degree before I started. My studies meant the world to me and I didn't want to do anything to jeapordise that. It's been 2.5 years since then and I managed to balance everything when I went back to do postgrad, but I'm very much a conservative one (one per night with 3 months in between).

I truly believe that your brain is too important to risk by going too hard or starting too young. Recent studies have shown that human brains go through a massive phase of development between 12 and 20 - it is during this phase that concepts of ethics, morality, value systems and personal judgement skills really develop. Hitting the pills/other drugs while still in this window is risking upsetting the development process. Of course, everyone's different and some may be ready earlier than others, but I don't believe anyone under 16 should even consider taking hard drugs. Personally my values agree with Dante's: you shouldn't do anything until you're 18 and legally an adult, for the sake of your parents and the law.

Something esle to consider: I had a fair few issues in my late teens/very early 20's. I waited until they were a little more under control before I started chemical experimentation and I'm very gald - the alternative could have resulted in some very messy episodes. So as well as age, emotional/psychological issues ned to be considered.

And Blossom: what are you going to do when this lifesyle stops providing the attention you crave?

:)Smiley
 
Do these opinions, of everyone's, regarding the age when people should begin experimenting with drugs apply to nicotine and ethyl alcohol too?

BigTrancer :)
 
waht do u mean the attention i crave? are u saying that im using my choices as a way to attract attention to myself. becase if thats whats being implyed, then well... thats not the situation by any means... i chose to do what i do because i enjoy it as does everyone else here on this board i suspect. and one day, when the "magic is gone" or one day when i inevitabley decide to settle down then i will. theres nothing stopping me doing that.

and about my lifestyle providing the attention i crave, then well, thats stupid. because its not like i run around at school telling everyone all the shit i do on weekends. i dont brag about what i do, if someone at school asks, its "i went out with some mates" its not "omg i went out and got so fuckin gooked on this and this and this and this..." thats what all the ppl who use their lifestlye for attention do. and im not one of them.
 
^^^^^BT

The legal age of alc is 18 anyway, which I do agree with. If pot was legalised I suspect it would be the same age, which I personally would also agree with.

I don't think it's a question of what substances do what to who, it's a question of whether recreational drugs in general should be used by those whose bodies are still developing and may be more susceptible to long term damage than those who are fully mature.
 
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